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ACLU and Islamists vs. the FBI...Yet Again
IPT News October 12, 2011 The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) issued an open letter to FBI Director Robert Mueller last week calling for reform of Bureau training materials the ACLU claims are biased against Muslims. The ACLU letter cited a July article by Spencer Ackerman on WiredNews.com concerning training materials that, in part, allegedly depicted Muslims in a derogatory way. The FBI responded by saying it no longer used that particular training material, which was reported to be only a segment of an overall counter-terrorism presentation. The ACLU letter also principally focused on an FBI Intelligence Assessment document dated May 10, 2006 on homegrown Islamic terrorist radicalization titled, "The Radicalization Process: From Conversion to Jihad," claiming the assessment portrays converts to Islam in America as targets for radicalization who should primarily and mostly be viewed as suspects. ![]() The ACLU letter offers criticism of the FBI assessment by stating: "For instance, a 2006 FBI Intelligence Assessment "The Radicalization Process: From Conversion to Jihad," which was published in May 2006 but restricted from public distribution until it was leaked on the internet sometime later, identifies a four-step "radicalization cycle" in which religious converts purportedly become "Homegrown Islamic extremists." According to this analysis, "indicators" of a convert's extremism include: o Increased isolation from former life o Wearing traditional Muslim attire o Growing facial hair o Frequent attendance at a mosque or a prayer group o Travel to a Muslim country o Increased activity in a pro-Muslim social group or political cause o Proselytizing. Such innocuous behaviors may indicate strong religious beliefs, and each is entirely protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution. Millions of Muslim-Americans may engage in some or all of them on a routine basis. Claiming these behaviors are indicative of a progression toward extremist violence is therefore both factually unsupportable and improper under the law."While the assessment lists the segments identified in the ACLU letter, the context given in the ACLU letter is notably skewed. It indicates the full sum of the FBI assessment focused on those listed "indicators" that, in and of themselves, could well be innocent constitutionally protected activities. In fact, there are 14 total "indicators" in three separate categories, not the seven listed individually in the ACLU letter. Among the other seven in the assessment are: - Association with new social identity - Attendance at a training camp or participation in paramilitary training - Conducting surveillance activities - Travel without obvious source of funds - Suspicious purchase of bomb making paraphernalia or weapons - Large transfer of funds, from or to overseas - Formation of operational cells The three separate categories are "identification," "indoctrination" and "action." Taken in that more detailed context, these "indicators" are significantly more focused on the pertinent issue of jihadist radicalization. The 12-page detailed FBI assessment repeatedly states that conversion to Islam does not always lead to radicalization. The assessment cites a series of steps a homegrown jihadist likely undergoes in the radicalization process, and notes that process is fluid and subject to significant external influence. The assessment offers its findings as a result of investigative case analysis and academic sources. The FBI assessment is rooted in experience where the radicalization of American Muslim converts has real world consequences. A number of such cases have proven the FBI assessment correct:
Among those factors, the assessment chart:
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I will never understand this organization. I thought it was the AMERICAN civil liberties union.
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Frightening when an organization sues to protect the rights of those that condone killing, maiming, rape, stonings, total intolerance of other's views and would love to chop off all the heads of that organization's nonmuslim members.
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thats how they go here , the EU and UK ... UN aint it grand ?? setting all the precedents for SELLING OURSELVES INTO SLAVERY!!!!
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ACLU= Anti-american Communist Liberal Unionette(because calling calling it a union would be discrimination against women)
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That's right jedwil, those moslems dream about slittin each and every Americans throat. And thanks for the post Marlin, but try and control your blood pressure, we want to keep you around!
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So it is ok for them to proselytize but it is not ok christians to do the same thing and if christians get caught doing that in a islamic country they can be put to death. Now that does not seem quite fair
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Well my impression is if they're hunting down terrorists, why shouldn't they be "biased" against Muslims? I don't know of hardly any Christian or Jewish terrorists. When you see or hear about a terror attack, isn't it always Muslims?
When the police are looking for a certain suspect, do they say "okay we can't be biased," or do they make up a description of the person without any regard to offending them and find them and arrest them?
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in the UK they renamed all muslims as asians
so they say a 6 foot tall asian man with a beard you know its a jihadi never seen a chinese guy wearing a suicide vest and scram YUM CHA!! before blowing hisself up he they dont describe at all hardly , only if someones got a pic do they do it as they dont wish to upset anyone heck they are even pushing to rename the middle eastern crime squad we have a asian crime group , we have a african crime group but middle eastern ?? that racist hahahahaha Last edited by jack404; 10-15-2011 at 07:42 AM.. |
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