Would Marines Fire On Americans? - The Firearms Forum

raven818 · 12-09-2011, 06:01 PM

Apparently 25% of them would. I thought I'd put it in this Forum, cause it's probably going to wind up here anyway.

Bobitis · 12-09-2011, 06:31 PM

I'd like to see some hard evidence to this claim.

I have a large extended family. Not ONE of them that has served (military or law enforcement) would ever fire on their fellow citizens without cause.

I work with a lot of veterans, and I can say that none of them would either.

Who makes up this crap? One in four would kick down my door cuz they were told to? Fully expecting return fire?

Hog wash.

Juker · 12-09-2011, 06:43 PM

98.74% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

And the Marines I know would not obey an illegal order.

HunterAlpha1 · 12-09-2011, 06:53 PM

that's ONLY 25%. the 11% were probably mostly marines who didn't want to say yes, but who also didn't want to end up on a List. i actually find this rather encouraging. i would've expected at least a third to a half saying that they would fire on their fellow Americans.

raven818 · 12-09-2011, 07:38 PM

Syrian forces are defecting, in part, and joining the demonstrators, because they're being forced to fire on civilians. What's going to happen next there, is a civil war. Military against military always winds up like that, and tens of thousands will die as a result.

I'm trying to picture that scenario here. Unfortunately, I can. But if it does, it won't be a holy war, it'll be the disgruntled against the haves'.

To be one of the haves', all you'll need to qualify, is a home and food in your stomach. IMO.

American Leader · 12-09-2011, 07:53 PM

Read what the "Oath Takers" have to say about this. I'm sure you have all read about how officials in New Orleans handled citizens during Katrina. No shooting, but our rights were trampled on! Do our soldiers honor their oath to the USA when they work within the confines of the UN? I hope and pray when our Marines and other branches as well are asked to fire on us, and I believe there is a strong possibility they will be asked, they have the courage and fortitude to do the right thing. It won't be easy, because our government has become totally corrupt!

raven818 · 12-09-2011, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by American Leader

Read what the "Oath Takers" have to say about this. I'm sure you have all read about how officials in New Orleans handled citizens during Katrina. No shooting, but our rights were trampled on! Do our soldiers honor their oath to the USA when they work within the confines of the UN? I hope and pray when our Marines and other branches as well are asked to fire on us, and I believe there is a strong possibility they will be asked, they have the courage and fortitude to do the right thing. It won't be easy, because our government has become totally corrupt!

I hate to keep harping on this, but the UN had us going into Libya to protect the innocent civilians. Not to kill Gaddafi ( right, uh-huh ). The military, OUR military, was ordered there by the UN. I do not believe our military leadership are all stupid. They knew up front, regardless of the media hype, that the muslin brotherhood would be the eventual heirs to the throne, but they did as they were ordered. Now we face a far bigger threat than gaddafi ever was. In fact, he wasn't a threat anymore and hadn't been for years.

It tends to ramble a bit, but I hope you see the connection between the two.

American Leader · 12-09-2011, 08:29 PM

Right on Raven!

Python · 12-10-2011, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by raven818

Syrian forces are defecting, in part, and joining the demonstrators, because they're being forced to fire on civilians. What's going to happen next there, is a civil war. Military against military always winds up like that, and tens of thousands will die as a result.

War, but not civil war. Israel and Syria are preparing for all out war to begin within a few weeks, or sooner. Syria has threatened to rocket attack Tel Aviv, in retaliation Israel has threatened "Extreme Devastation" upon Damascus. Our 6th Fleet along with the aircraft carrier George H.W. Bush are poised off the coast of Syria along with Russian warships in wait. Troops are mobilizing along the boarders. Lebanon, Jordon, Egypt, and Libya (Muslim Brotherhood) are rumored to also be in the mix when the exchange begins. Does anyone find it strange that the MSM has been silent about this?

Zhurh · 12-10-2011, 02:01 AM

Throughout our short history, there have been many times Americans were fired on by the powers that be. Trouble is that it usually blows up in the govt's face as the truth does come out. For that reason, I don't think we'd ever see massive murder of Americans by the American Military. The constitutional mindset is still strong in America's worldview.

Ya know, a year back, we had a couple fed park cops traveling the Yukon, enforcing safety violations. Wasn't too long until they were waving guns at locals as they ran boats into the shore and handcuffed 70 year old retired goldminers. It got the locals upset and ruined many years of goodwill between locals and fed park people. The two cops were fired and our Governor, Reps, and Senators were going to defund park service and just got way outta hand. Feds had a bunch of why can't we all get along meetings, ect; apologized for the big misunderstanding. Still a bunch of the locals are just waiting for the feds to just look at them sideways and everything will start again. We've actually had some great Park supers here along the Yukon that worked with the community, until Obama got it, then it changed. You see pretty quick the feds don't want confrontation, they want the people to follow their laws which they make just fair enough so locals accept the intrusions to their freedoms; no joke.

Prizefighter · 12-10-2011, 02:13 AM

I don't have any trouble believing that statistic. And I say that without any disrespect to our service men and women. But it seems to me that a considerable amount of effort goes in to training soldiers to be unquestioning of orders, and some are bound to be products of that training. Add to that the fact that military branches aren't exempt from the truth that any sufficiently large group will have some sour apples, let's say, and I wonder if ~26% isn't a better number than I might have expected.

Python · 12-10-2011, 03:24 AM

If it comes down to it they'll recruit only those "willing" to fire on Americans, and in today's sick society, no problem.

jack404 · 12-10-2011, 04:47 AM

if the armed services of any nation fire or make war upon the people of that nation they become the enemy . ( full stop )

if they come after me or mine here , thats ok , saves me going for supplies, as i'll take what they have ...

Juker · 12-10-2011, 05:07 AM

If anyone has more information on this supposed "survey", I'd sure like to see it.

Who administered it? Who wrote it? When? Who took it? Where was it taken? Were these active duty Marines, recruits, wannabes? Was it an online survey with no 'control' (meaning, a website where any user can say they were in the Marines) - ?

What was the preceding question? Was it "America has been invaded. Police forces are overwhelmed by looting. The military is called in to help restore order. You see a gang killing children and raping nuns. Would you fire on them?"

I'm close to calling B.S. on this one - why does the video start with the a zoom on that one survey question, and not show the entire form? If it was indeed a bombshell, the video should start with, "On May 15, 2011, Oathkeepers surveyed 500 active duty combat veteran Marines at 29 Palms..."

But no. There's no information like that. Who wrote this survey? And who allowed it to be given to Marines?

Again, I simply do not believe this.

I've given a lot of thought to joining Oathkeepers, but if this type of sensationalism is their recruiting tool, I think I'll pass.

jack404 · 12-10-2011, 05:26 AM

29 palms? the practise grounds for civil control ?

oh heck

Snakedriver · 12-10-2011, 07:39 AM

Sadly, there is always going to be a small percentage "useful idiots" who will blindly follow-out unlawful orders in any group. Hopefully there won't be many senior NCO's and officers in that group. Too fulfill their illegal directions they will have to go against the majority of their peers, so hopefully peer pressure will take care of its own. Obviously, if it ever comes down to the point where we are ready to turn upon each other, we're in deep do-do.

While I'm not officially an Oathkeeper, I believe in what they stand for and abided by their oath.

JohnHenry · 12-10-2011, 08:06 AM

...... and then, you get to the " how do the troops know that we're Americans, and not illegal aliens" stage of the game .

carver · 12-10-2011, 08:31 AM

Read this: http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2011/12/...rage-facility/

I am an Oathkeeper. In '73, I took an oath, the same one everybody else took, even though I really did not understand what I was doing at the time. Like everyone else I just went along with the program, because I was told to. Back then some of us were joining up, and some of us were being drafted. There were probably some there that just mouthed the words, and really never took the oath. I just don't understand some of you not believing that a portion of every branch of the military, and every law enforcement agency in this Country would fire on American Citizens! We all know that there are those that would do such a thing, if ordered to do so. Personally, I think 25% is too low a number! I would bet you right now (if I was a gambling man) that 50% of all LEO's, and all Military, would go door to door, to confiscate personal firearms from the public, if ordered to do so! I also believe that the day that will prove me right, or wrong, isn't too very far away! I am old enough to have seen some very major changes in this Country, and none of them have been for the betterment of it's citizens. I have served in the military, and I know the mind set of these young men, and women due to the training they get. You have to remember that these young people have not lived long enough to have much in the way of life experience, and for the most part they are all idealist, and slant towards liberal views.

Snakedriver · 12-10-2011, 09:03 AM

........and the best way to gain compliance of the troops is to demonize those you're seeking to eliminate! Call them dirty Krauts, Japs, Gooks, Neo-Cons or Rightwing Extremists. Once convinced of their evil intent, it becomes so much easier to join in on the slaughter.

cutter · 12-10-2011, 09:09 AM

I agree with Carver on this one!!! The main factor is the age of the militaty that would carry out the orders. They have lived most of thier lives being indoctanated in one way or the other. This is why I am truely worried about our country. Look at History (Germany) it was the young people that were trained in what to think and so on. When people say that can't happen here they better wake up. All of the people in history thought that and look at the human record. Yes I believe they would fire on the US Citizen (a few won't). I could go on and on but in the end it is a moot point, expect the unexpected! just my 2 cnts worth.

rcairflr · 12-10-2011, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carver

Read this: http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2011/12/...rage-facility/

I am an Oathkeeper. In '73, I took an oath, the same one everybody else took, even though I really did not understand what I was doing at the time. Like everyone else I just went along with the program, because I was told to. Back then some of us were joining up, and some of us were being drafted. There were probably some there that just mouthed the words, and really never took the oath. I just don't understand some of you not believing that a portion of every branch of the military, and every law enforcement agency in this Country would fire on American Citizens! We all know that there are those that would do such a thing, if ordered to do so. Personally, I think 25% is too low a number! I would bet you right now (if I was a gambling man) that 50% of all LEO's, and all Military, would go door to door, to confiscate personal firearms from the public, if ordered to do so! I also believe that the day that will prove me right, or wrong, isn't too very far away! I am old enough to have seen some very major changes in this Country, and none of them have been for the betterment of it's citizens. I have served in the military, and I know the mind set of these young men, and women due to the training they get. You have to remember that these young people have not lived long enough to have much in the way of life experience, and for the most part they are all idealist, and slant towards liberal views.

I agree with you 100%. I spent 10 years in the Marine Corps in the 70s & 80s and regardless of what everyone wants to believe, not everyone in the Military are "good", honest citizens. Along my 10 years I met or knew Marines I wouldn't turn my back on for 1 second, thieves and people of very low morale values. (Don't get me wrong, the majority were good, honest well intentioned people).

I have no doubt in mind that a certain percentage of these people would have no problem firing on US citizens .

BlackEagle · 12-10-2011, 04:56 PM

From Wikipedia: The Kent State shootings—also known as the May 4 massacre or the Kent State massacre—occurred at Kent State University in the city of Kent, Ohio, and involved the shooting of unarmed college students by members of the Ohio National Guard on Monday, May 4, 1970. The guardsmen fired 67 rounds over a period of 13 seconds, killing four students and wounding nine others, one of whom suffered permanent paralysis..."
I remember that vividly. One of my cousins was a student at Ohio State and could easily have been involved in similar protests. Another cousin was in the Ohio National Guard and could easily have been one of the shooters.
(btw, I was in university at that time and decided if my lottery draft number came up I would enlist in the Marines rather than being drafted into the Army.) Police are trained to shoot to protect themselves and the public if the perceived danger requires deadly force. So far as I can tell it is entirely possible for a government run amok to order it's military to do what is necessary to control the people. Were the troops who responded to natural disasters such as Hurricane Katrna armed and would they have used those weapons? The UK had to use armed troops for at least one generation to try to keep control of Northern Ireland during which time there were numerous firefights between civilians and the military. It has already happened in the US, it happens between the police and criminals on a regular basis and only needs a redefinition of what is criminal for ordinary citizens to become criminals. By the grace of God what happened in Lybia will not happen here.

AL MOUNT · 12-10-2011, 05:12 PM

3 events come to my mind.... as mentioneed above Kent State...

Ruby Ridge ..

Waco..

Python · 12-10-2011, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by AL MOUNT

3 events come to my mind.... as mentioneed above Kent State...

Ruby Ridge ..

Waco..

Lest we never forget.

Inthewind1976 · 12-11-2011, 12:42 AM

Yes, and what is the general publics opinion of the Weavers and of David Koresh's followers? They were nut cases and what happened was necessary. Maybe Koresh was guilty of crimes and maybe he wasnt, but we wont ever know for SURE will we? Bottom line is, in each case, American citizens were killed and the US Government at various levels was ultimately responsible. Carver, I too, think that you are correct in your viewpoint.

12-09-2011, 06:01 PM	#1
raven818 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Jax, Fl. Contributor Posts: 4,439	Would Marines Fire On Americans? Apparently 25% of them would. I thought I'd put it in this Forum, cause it's probably going to wind up here anyway. http://tinyurl.com/7fc9j5d __________________ Firearms and Salt Water Fishing Retired 42 Years LEO -->

12-09-2011, 06:31 PM	#2
Bobitis Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,612	Re: Would Marines Fire On Americans? I'd like to see some hard evidence to this claim. I have a large extended family. Not ONE of them that has served (military or law enforcement) would ever fire on their fellow citizens without cause. I work with a lot of veterans, and I can say that none of them would either. Who makes up this crap? One in four would kick down my door cuz they were told to? Fully expecting return fire? Hog wash. __________________ ^.^ A point in every direction is the same as having no point at all

12-09-2011, 06:43 PM	#3
Juker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Land of Lincoln Contributor Posts: 2,872	Re: Would Marines Fire On Americans? 98.74% of all statistics are made up on the spot. And the Marines I know would not obey an illegal order. __________________ SHOOT FIRST. SHOOT SECOND. MOST IMPORTANTLY, BE THE MAN WHO'S SHOOTING LAST.

12-09-2011, 06:53 PM	#4
HunterAlpha1 Former Guest Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Yorktown, VA Posts: 1,049	Re: Would Marines Fire On Americans? that's ONLY 25%. the 11% were probably mostly marines who didn't want to say yes, but who also didn't want to end up on a List. i actually find this rather encouraging. i would've expected at least a third to a half saying that they would fire on their fellow Americans.

12-09-2011, 07:38 PM	#5
raven818 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Jax, Fl. Contributor Posts: 4,439	Re: Would Marines Fire On Americans? Syrian forces are defecting, in part, and joining the demonstrators, because they're being forced to fire on civilians. What's going to happen next there, is a civil war. Military against military always winds up like that, and tens of thousands will die as a result. I'm trying to picture that scenario here. Unfortunately, I can. But if it does, it won't be a holy war, it'll be the disgruntled against the haves'. To be one of the haves', all you'll need to qualify, is a home and food in your stomach. IMO. __________________ Firearms and Salt Water Fishing Retired 42 Years LEO

12-09-2011, 07:53 PM	#6
American Leader Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Iowa Contributor Posts: 1,630	Re: Would Marines Fire On Americans? Read what the "Oath Takers" have to say about this. I'm sure you have all read about how officials in New Orleans handled citizens during Katrina. No shooting, but our rights were trampled on! Do our soldiers honor their oath to the USA when they work within the confines of the UN? I hope and pray when our Marines and other branches as well are asked to fire on us, and I believe there is a strong possibility they will be asked, they have the courage and fortitude to do the right thing. It won't be easy, because our government has become totally corrupt!

12-09-2011, 08:29 PM	#8
American Leader Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Iowa Contributor Posts: 1,630	Re: Would Marines Fire On Americans? Right on Raven!

12-10-2011, 02:01 AM	#10
Zhurh Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Upper Yukon, Alaska Posts: 1,836	Re: Would Marines Fire On Americans? Throughout our short history, there have been many times Americans were fired on by the powers that be. Trouble is that it usually blows up in the govt's face as the truth does come out. For that reason, I don't think we'd ever see massive murder of Americans by the American Military. The constitutional mindset is still strong in America's worldview. Ya know, a year back, we had a couple fed park cops traveling the Yukon, enforcing safety violations. Wasn't too long until they were waving guns at locals as they ran boats into the shore and handcuffed 70 year old retired goldminers. It got the locals upset and ruined many years of goodwill between locals and fed park people. The two cops were fired and our Governor, Reps, and Senators were going to defund park service and just got way outta hand. Feds had a bunch of why can't we all get along meetings, ect; apologized for the big misunderstanding. Still a bunch of the locals are just waiting for the feds to just look at them sideways and everything will start again. We've actually had some great Park supers here along the Yukon that worked with the community, until Obama got it, then it changed. You see pretty quick the feds don't want confrontation, they want the people to follow their laws which they make just fair enough so locals accept the intrusions to their freedoms; no joke.

12-10-2011, 02:13 AM	#11
Prizefighter V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: North Carolina Contributor Posts: 412	Re: Would Marines Fire On Americans? I don't have any trouble believing that statistic. And I say that without any disrespect to our service men and women. But it seems to me that a considerable amount of effort goes in to training soldiers to be unquestioning of orders, and some are bound to be products of that training. Add to that the fact that military branches aren't exempt from the truth that any sufficiently large group will have some sour apples, let's say, and I wonder if ~26% isn't a better number than I might have expected. Last edited by Prizefighter; 12-10-2011 at 02:15 AM..

12-10-2011, 03:24 AM	#12
Python Former Guest Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Arizona Posts: 677	Re: Would Marines Fire On Americans? If it comes down to it they'll recruit only those "willing" to fire on Americans, and in today's sick society, no problem.

12-10-2011, 04:47 AM	#13
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Would Marines Fire On Americans? if the armed services of any nation fire or make war upon the people of that nation they become the enemy . ( full stop ) if they come after me or mine here , thats ok , saves me going for supplies, as i'll take what they have ...

12-10-2011, 05:07 AM	#14
Juker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Land of Lincoln Contributor Posts: 2,872	Re: Would Marines Fire On Americans? If anyone has more information on this supposed "survey", I'd sure like to see it. Who administered it? Who wrote it? When? Who took it? Where was it taken? Were these active duty Marines, recruits, wannabes? Was it an online survey with no 'control' (meaning, a website where any user can say they were in the Marines) - ? What was the preceding question? Was it "America has been invaded. Police forces are overwhelmed by looting. The military is called in to help restore order. You see a gang killing children and raping nuns. Would you fire on them?" I'm close to calling B.S. on this one - why does the video start with the a zoom on that one survey question, and not show the entire form? If it was indeed a bombshell, the video should start with, "On May 15, 2011, Oathkeepers surveyed 500 active duty combat veteran Marines at 29 Palms..." But no. There's no information like that. Who wrote this survey? And who allowed it to be given to Marines? Again, I simply do not believe this. I've given a lot of thought to joining Oathkeepers, but if this type of sensationalism is their recruiting tool, I think I'll pass. __________________ SHOOT FIRST. SHOOT SECOND. MOST IMPORTANTLY, BE THE MAN WHO'S SHOOTING LAST. Last edited by Juker; 12-10-2011 at 07:05 AM..

12-10-2011, 05:26 AM	#15
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Would Marines Fire On Americans? 29 palms? the practise grounds for civil control ? oh heck

12-10-2011, 07:39 AM	#16
Snakedriver Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: SW. Florida Posts: 1,219	Re: Would Marines Fire On Americans? Sadly, there is always going to be a small percentage "useful idiots" who will blindly follow-out unlawful orders in any group. Hopefully there won't be many senior NCO's and officers in that group. Too fulfill their illegal directions they will have to go against the majority of their peers, so hopefully peer pressure will take care of its own. Obviously, if it ever comes down to the point where we are ready to turn upon each other, we're in deep do-do. While I'm not officially an Oathkeeper, I believe in what they stand for and abided by their oath. __________________ Fear is a reaction..........Courage is a decision

12-10-2011, 08:06 AM	#17
JohnHenry Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Livingston county, Michigan Posts: 1,244	Re: Would Marines Fire On Americans? ...... and then, you get to the " how do the troops know that we're Americans, and not illegal aliens" stage of the game . __________________ Freedom .... Is Never Free ! We need Term Limits .... Send the "Professional Politicians" home .

12-10-2011, 08:31 AM	#18
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,555	Re: Would Marines Fire On Americans? Read this: http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2011/12/...rage-facility/ I am an Oathkeeper. In '73, I took an oath, the same one everybody else took, even though I really did not understand what I was doing at the time. Like everyone else I just went along with the program, because I was told to. Back then some of us were joining up, and some of us were being drafted. There were probably some there that just mouthed the words, and really never took the oath. I just don't understand some of you not believing that a portion of every branch of the military, and every law enforcement agency in this Country would fire on American Citizens! We all know that there are those that would do such a thing, if ordered to do so. Personally, I think 25% is too low a number! I would bet you right now (if I was a gambling man) that 50% of all LEO's, and all Military, would go door to door, to confiscate personal firearms from the public, if ordered to do so! I also believe that the day that will prove me right, or wrong, isn't too very far away! I am old enough to have seen some very major changes in this Country, and none of them have been for the betterment of it's citizens. I have served in the military, and I know the mind set of these young men, and women due to the training they get. You have to remember that these young people have not lived long enough to have much in the way of life experience, and for the most part they are all idealist, and slant towards liberal views. __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

12-10-2011, 09:03 AM	#19
Snakedriver Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: SW. Florida Posts: 1,219	Re: Would Marines Fire On Americans? ........and the best way to gain compliance of the troops is to demonize those you're seeking to eliminate! Call them dirty Krauts, Japs, Gooks, Neo-Cons or Rightwing Extremists. Once convinced of their evil intent, it becomes so much easier to join in on the slaughter. __________________ Fear is a reaction..........Courage is a decision

12-10-2011, 09:09 AM	#20
cutter Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 633	Re: Would Marines Fire On Americans? I agree with Carver on this one!!! The main factor is the age of the militaty that would carry out the orders. They have lived most of thier lives being indoctanated in one way or the other. This is why I am truely worried about our country. Look at History (Germany) it was the young people that were trained in what to think and so on. When people say that can't happen here they better wake up. All of the people in history thought that and look at the human record. Yes I believe they would fire on the US Citizen (a few won't). I could go on and on but in the end it is a moot point, expect the unexpected! just my 2 cnts worth.

12-10-2011, 04:56 PM	#22
BlackEagle Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: UK Posts: 3,250	Re: Would Marines Fire On Americans? From Wikipedia: The Kent State shootings—also known as the May 4 massacre or the Kent State massacre—occurred at Kent State University in the city of Kent, Ohio, and involved the shooting of unarmed college students by members of the Ohio National Guard on Monday, May 4, 1970. The guardsmen fired 67 rounds over a period of 13 seconds, killing four students and wounding nine others, one of whom suffered permanent paralysis..." I remember that vividly. One of my cousins was a student at Ohio State and could easily have been involved in similar protests. Another cousin was in the Ohio National Guard and could easily have been one of the shooters. (btw, I was in university at that time and decided if my lottery draft number came up I would enlist in the Marines rather than being drafted into the Army.) Police are trained to shoot to protect themselves and the public if the perceived danger requires deadly force. So far as I can tell it is entirely possible for a government run amok to order it's military to do what is necessary to control the people. Were the troops who responded to natural disasters such as Hurricane Katrna armed and would they have used those weapons? The UK had to use armed troops for at least one generation to try to keep control of Northern Ireland during which time there were numerous firefights between civilians and the military. It has already happened in the US, it happens between the police and criminals on a regular basis and only needs a redefinition of what is criminal for ordinary citizens to become criminals. By the grace of God what happened in Lybia will not happen here.

12-10-2011, 05:12 PM	#23
AL MOUNT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Cleaning my Thompson in The Foothills of the Ozark Mountains Posts: 3,134	Re: Would Marines Fire On Americans? 3 events come to my mind.... as mentioneed above Kent State... Ruby Ridge .. Waco.. __________________ 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment 101st Airborne Division Vietnam 67-68

12-11-2011, 12:42 AM	#25
Inthewind1976 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Central Pennsylvania Posts: 533	Re: Would Marines Fire On Americans? Yes, and what is the general publics opinion of the Weavers and of David Koresh's followers? They were nut cases and what happened was necessary. Maybe Koresh was guilty of crimes and maybe he wasnt, but we wont ever know for SURE will we? Bottom line is, in each case, American citizens were killed and the US Government at various levels was ultimately responsible. Carver, I too, think that you are correct in your viewpoint.