.357 sig over 40 s&w ?? - The Firearms Forum

glocknut · 09-09-2005, 07:18 PM

People i talk to keep telling me that the 357 sig is sooo much better than the 40 s&w.....
It does'nt look like it on paper ??

Opinions please !!!!

mike
gn

ps
at least it ain't one of those 9mm vs 45acp threads !!!!

Crpdeth · 09-09-2005, 10:43 PM

What research I've done yielded very little differences, although I do seem to remember that the .357 SIG carried deeper penetration.

Sorry I couldn't be of much help.

Crpdeth

Deputy Dawg · 09-09-2005, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glocknut

People i talk to keep telling me that the 357 sig is sooo much better than the 40 s&w.....
It does'nt look like it on paper ??

Opinions please !!!!

mike
gn

ps
at least it ain't one of those 9mm vs 45acp threads !!!!

THANK GOODNES for that.The texas DPS has gone to the 357sig round.The next GLOCK I buy will be A model 32 in 357sig. I read a report comparing the 9mm, 40s&w. 45 acp, and the 357sig. The 357sig was the only round that would reliably go through windshield glass and go through both sides of a car door.I allso read an article about a thief stealing a 18 wheeler. One officer had a 40cal, one had a 45 acp, and one had a 357sig, only the sig penetrated the truck door,suppose to be a true story.

Crpdeth · 09-10-2005, 10:40 AM

Thats exactaly what I read Deputy, thanks for reminding me, it seems that the .40 the .9mm and others were hitting the angled windshield and glancing off, but the .357 SIG would penetrate every time, also ditto on the penetration...

Crpdeth

stash247 · 09-10-2005, 10:54 AM

Not that the Sig issued to Texas State Troopers needs much help in the reliability department, because it does not, but the 357 Sig acts as it's own 'funnel' , because of the shoulder, in feeding, and would be more reliable for that alone, in any arm.
If 'special purpose' ammo of any sort, is required, the assortment of available bullets is far greater in .357, than in .40 cal.

For you old guys, out there, didn't we do the same thing, with the ".38/.45 Bain & Davis", 50 years ago???

azhdryder · 09-10-2005, 11:23 AM

The 357 in the glock tends to beat up the guns after a few thousand rounds. The 40 does the same accourding to our firearms staff. We use the glock in 9mm now, goood guns, but a bit underpowered. The HK in 40 is what we are gong to next year. Like the gun, not enamored with the caliber. But thats no biggie. Anyway, the Texas Rangers are claiming 100% one shot stops w/ the 357sig. Cant get better than that

berto64 · 09-10-2005, 11:31 AM

Whatever happened to the 400 CorBond?

It seems to be getting harder to find up here in the NW.

I have 400 barrels for both of my 1911s.

glocknut · 09-10-2005, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by azhdryder

The 357 in the glock tends to beat up the guns after a few thousand rounds. The 40 does the same accourding to our firearms staff. We use the glock in 9mm now, goood guns, but a bit underpowered. The HK in 40 is what we are gong to next year. Like the gun, not enamored with the caliber. But thats no biggie. Anyway, the Texas Rangers are claiming 100% one shot stops w/ the 357sig. Cant get better than that

Welcome to the forum azhdryder

I doubt that a mere few thousand rounds could tear up a Glock. I had a g21 45acp which i ran hot loads through. Never a problem. I have also talked with guys who have the G22 ? 10mm.... No problems there either.

gn

inplanotx · 09-10-2005, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by glocknut

Welcome to the forum azhdryder

I doubt that a mere few thousand rounds could tear up a Glock. I had a g21 45acp which i ran hot loads through. Never a problem. I have also talked with guys who have the G22 ? 10mm.... No problems there either.

gn

Oh please, name the "HOT" loads? Winchester white box maybe?

azhdryder · 07-14-2006, 01:20 AM

G21/G22 are on the large frame, the rest are on the smaller frame. If you dont like what has been tested and proven then research the glock factory, they will tell you the same, the 357 sig is a bit too hot for glocks over the long term.

Pistolenschutze · 07-14-2006, 11:00 AM

I really like the 357 Sig, Glock. My most often carried CCW piece is a Glock 33. The velocity and penetration specs on that round are really impressive, basically a 9mm on steroids! One thing I did do with my 33, however, was replace the Glock plastic rod and the recoil springs with hard steel and heavier springs from Wolff. I've put at least 2000 rounds though mine so far without any sign of problems.

southernshooter · 07-14-2006, 11:53 PM

I have shot more .40S&W in my time but the few .357 sig I have shot hasn't been a bad round functioned fine and plenty of power

stash247 · 07-16-2006, 08:40 PM

Southernshooter, all, the .357 Sig, in a weapon that will tolerate full loads (Sorry, GN), is as much gun as a .357 Mag, in a self loader.
Berto, the .400 Cor-Bon is the .45 based equivalent, in a .45 ACP case, of the 10mm, and, I like it a lot!
Both rounds have a shoulder, which is/can be an aid to both feeding and headspacing, if the chamber is cut correctly; a distinct advantage, where health and safety of self and others are at issue.
Like the .40 Smith/ .45 ACP argument: niether will do much the other won't, at twice the chamber pressure.
Were I a small town cop, able to choose my own duty weapon, and caliber, the .400 Cor-Bon would be a good one, the .45ACP, another, but these are the only two in the running, and all my sense says the Cor-Bon would be a legal liability, in such service, though more effective. Pot Stirred!

LIKTOSHOOT · 07-17-2006, 10:20 AM

DPS carried .357`s for years when street cops couldn`t anymore. Read:::::
OVER-PENETRATION!!!

Now they`ve gone back to it for two more rounds---only one ifin you use the seven shot wheel gun.

What changed??????

If I were to face either, the wheel gun gun wins hands down with the intimidation factor. Ever face off close range........and see that star gleaming on the end of that hollow point????

LTS

Tony Mig · 07-18-2006, 09:43 PM

I would think the penetration factor would be a consideration depending on what the gun is used for.

If I was in Law Enforcement, military, or armed security, I'd go with the 357 Sig, but for home defense that over penetration could become a serious isse. I prefer the .45acp in the house, it'll knock down the biggest bastard even if he's sporting body armour, and is the least likely round to punch through your target, and continue to cause co-lateral damage.

Again, if the People's Republic of New Jersey ever got a "Shall-Issue" law, and I carried, I don't know that I'd want something with the penetrating power of the 357 Sig, since my need for that gun shouldn't involve shooting through motor vehicles, and any co-lateral damage caused by my decission to fire my weapon in a public place would result in years of littigation, I would still choose the slower, heavier .45acp over the 357 Sig.

Just my 2 cents worth.....YMMV

HadEmAll · 09-15-2006, 11:56 PM

I as a civilian CHL holder have absolutely no interest in shooting through windshield glass or car doors. I am fine with the 155 grain .40 JPH at 1200 fps. I chuckle at that "funnel" theory because so many people on so many forums say it like the .40 has some kind of reliability problem. I have six .40s and have never had a feeding problem. I doubt thousands of law enforcement agencies would have stuck with the .40 if it was prone to feeding problems. LEOs may need the ability to shoot through car doors and window glass, but I don't want the overpenetration that implies in soft targets like bad people that need shooting. Texas DPS went to the 357 SIG because they weren't satisfied with the .45 ACP. And the common .40 bullet weights I'm aware of are 135 grain, 150 grain, 155 grain, 165 grain, and 180 grain. Whoever said the 357 has more available bullet weights must know of rounds I don't.

Kentuckian · 09-28-2006, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by azhdryder

G21/G22 are on the large frame, the rest are on the smaller frame. If you dont like what has been tested and proven then research the glock factory, they will tell you the same, the 357 sig is a bit too hot for glocks over the long term.

G31 is a large frame as well.

Any links for the testing and proof?

Pistolenschutze · 09-28-2006, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Kentuckian

Any links for the testing and proof?

You might find the material here of interest, Kentuc. This guy seems to have done his homework pretty well, and backs up what he says.

http://www.handguninfo.com/Archive/www.Pete-357.com/

Kentuckian · 09-29-2006, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Pistolenschutze

You might find the material here of interest, Kentuc. This guy seems to have done his homework pretty well, and backs up what he says.

http://www.handguninfo.com/Archive/www.Pete-357.com/

I've spent a lot of time on his site, especially when I first got into 357SIG.

I'm kinda curious about the claim that 357SIG is "too hot for Glocks", because it doesn't seem to be too hot for my G31.

BIGBOOMER · 09-29-2006, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by stash247

Not that the Sig issued to Texas State Troopers needs much help in the reliability department, because it does not, but the 357 Sig acts as it's own 'funnel' , because of the shoulder, in feeding, and would be more reliable for that alone, in any arm.
If 'special purpose' ammo of any sort, is required, the assortment of available bullets is far greater in .357, than in .40 cal.

I agree with Terry that herein lies the biggest advantage that the 357 Sig has going for it: that bottlenecked case. This allows you to shoot revolver style bullets in it; Keith style, JHP, JSP, whatever you can seat in it that doesn't exceed the max length imposed by the magazine. Bullets of these types would never feed reliably in a straight case. Of course, you can also seat any 9mm bullets in it too, but then you would just have a 9mm on steroids.
For my own purposes, I think I'd rather have the 40. If I need a 357, I can always carry a wheelgun.
Best regards, BIGBOOMER

Light Coat · 09-29-2006, 11:39 PM

Haven't had feed problems with .40. That's in semi and full autos. Don't see a need to shoot windshields and if I did I would sure as heck fire more than one round.
Haven't heard anything great about the .357 except for the noise and hole in your pocket after loading $$$ into the magazine. I think the calibre is the new bandwagon; kind of like Glocks are right now. I just don't like polymer; can't get over the way it feels.

Hot rod or not to hot rod; that is the question.

shooter · 10-06-2006, 11:09 AM

ive been jones'n for a P229 in 357sig...but the overpenatration worried about home defense..or over penetration period..heaven forbid i ever had to draw down on someone in my home and had something high powered and it did come out the back..i can hear the prosecuting attorney now trying to say that im a war monger or something like that and i purposely used a high power round etc etc etc ...

i think ill stick to the 40SW for now

Bruce FLinch · 10-06-2006, 09:22 PM

But can you reload them very well?

Pat Hurley · 10-06-2006, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by azhdryder

The 357 in the glock tends to beat up the guns after a few thousand rounds.

Hmmm, that's strange. Talk to enough Glock guys and you'd swear that the only thing that will survive 1000 years from now are cockroaches and Glock's. If you listen to the rhetoric long enough, you'd swear that a direct nuclear strike on a Glock would hardly cause it to miss a beat.

Can you say "over the top?!"

Your above admission could have you defrocked from the Glock Club and put you squarely on a wanted poster. Good luck.

shooter · 10-30-2006, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Pat Hurley

Hmmm, that's strange. Talk to enough Glock guys and you'd swear that the only thing that will survive 1000 years from now are cockroaches and Glock's. If you listen to the rhetoric long enough, you'd swear that a direct nuclear strike on a Glock would hardly cause it to miss a beat.

Can you say "over the top?!"

Your above admission could have you defrocked from the Glock Club and put you squarely on a wanted poster. Good luck.

seems like everyone i shot something went wrong..piece of metal fell out from under the slide, the map spring was sprung wouldnt feed the rnds..of course these were "range" guns and we all know they arent taken care of like a personal firearm

09-09-2005, 07:18 PM	#1
glocknut Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: THE FORUM MASCOTT... Posts: 12,482	.357 sig over 40 s&w ?? People i talk to keep telling me that the 357 sig is sooo much better than the 40 s&w..... It does'nt look like it on paper ?? Opinions please !!!! mike gn ps at least it ain't one of those 9mm vs 45acp threads !!!! __________________ Where O where are you tonight? Why have you gone and left me alone? I searched to world over and a thought i found true love... You met another and PTThhh you were gone.... -->

09-09-2005, 10:43 PM	#2
Crpdeth Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Location: Location Contributor Posts: 8,247	Re: .357 sig over 40 s&w ?? What research I've done yielded very little differences, although I do seem to remember that the .357 SIG carried deeper penetration. Sorry I couldn't be of much help. Crpdeth __________________ Our greatest pretenses are built up not to hide the evil and the ugly in us, but our emptiness. The hardest thing to hide is something that is not there. ~Eric Hoffer

09-10-2005, 10:40 AM	#4
Crpdeth Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Location: Location Contributor Posts: 8,247	Re: .357 sig over 40 s&w ?? Thats exactaly what I read Deputy, thanks for reminding me, it seems that the .40 the .9mm and others were hitting the angled windshield and glancing off, but the .357 SIG would penetrate every time, also ditto on the penetration... Crpdeth __________________ Our greatest pretenses are built up not to hide the evil and the ugly in us, but our emptiness. The hardest thing to hide is something that is not there. ~Eric Hoffer

09-10-2005, 10:54 AM	#5
stash247 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Central Texas Posts: 2,815	Re: .357 sig over 40 s&w ?? Not that the Sig issued to Texas State Troopers needs much help in the reliability department, because it does not, but the 357 Sig acts as it's own 'funnel' , because of the shoulder, in feeding, and would be more reliable for that alone, in any arm. If 'special purpose' ammo of any sort, is required, the assortment of available bullets is far greater in .357, than in .40 cal. For you old guys, out there, didn't we do the same thing, with the ".38/.45 Bain & Davis", 50 years ago??? __________________ Don't start no s**t and there won't be none, Terry

09-10-2005, 11:23 AM	#6
azhdryder Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2	Re: .357 sig over 40 s&w ?? The 357 in the glock tends to beat up the guns after a few thousand rounds. The 40 does the same accourding to our firearms staff. We use the glock in 9mm now, goood guns, but a bit underpowered. The HK in 40 is what we are gong to next year. Like the gun, not enamored with the caliber. But thats no biggie. Anyway, the Texas Rangers are claiming 100% one shot stops w/ the 357sig. Cant get better than that

09-10-2005, 11:31 AM	#7
berto64 VMBB Admin Staff Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Owyhee County, Idaho Contributor Posts: 7,385	Re: .357 sig over 40 s&w ?? Whatever happened to the 400 CorBond? It seems to be getting harder to find up here in the NW. I have 400 barrels for both of my 1911s. __________________ Be who you are & say what you will, Those that matter won't mind and those that mind don't matter. I'm a bitter clinger, One Nation Under God.

07-14-2006, 01:20 AM	#10
azhdryder Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2	Re: .357 sig over 40 s&w ?? G21/G22 are on the large frame, the rest are on the smaller frame. If you dont like what has been tested and proven then research the glock factory, they will tell you the same, the 357 sig is a bit too hot for glocks over the long term.

07-14-2006, 11:00 AM	#11
Pistolenschutze Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 13,094	Re: .357 sig over 40 s&w ?? I really like the 357 Sig, Glock. My most often carried CCW piece is a Glock 33. The velocity and penetration specs on that round are really impressive, basically a 9mm on steroids! One thing I did do with my 33, however, was replace the Glock plastic rod and the recoil springs with hard steel and heavier springs from Wolff. I've put at least 2000 rounds though mine so far without any sign of problems. __________________ --Pistolenschutze (Pistol Shooter)

07-14-2006, 11:53 PM	#12
southernshooter Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Deep South Mississippi Posts: 5,943	Re: .357 sig over 40 s&w ?? I have shot more .40S&W in my time but the few .357 sig I have shot hasn't been a bad round functioned fine and plenty of power __________________ Only you can see this

07-16-2006, 08:40 PM	#13
stash247 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Central Texas Posts: 2,815	Re: .357 sig over 40 s&w ?? Southernshooter, all, the .357 Sig, in a weapon that will tolerate full loads (Sorry, GN), is as much gun as a .357 Mag, in a self loader. Berto, the .400 Cor-Bon is the .45 based equivalent, in a .45 ACP case, of the 10mm, and, I like it a lot! Both rounds have a shoulder, which is/can be an aid to both feeding and headspacing, if the chamber is cut correctly; a distinct advantage, where health and safety of self and others are at issue. Like the .40 Smith/ .45 ACP argument: niether will do much the other won't, at twice the chamber pressure. Were I a small town cop, able to choose my own duty weapon, and caliber, the .400 Cor-Bon would be a good one, the .45ACP, another, but these are the only two in the running, and all my sense says the Cor-Bon would be a legal liability, in such service, though more effective. Pot Stirred! __________________ Don't start no s**t and there won't be none, Terry

07-17-2006, 10:20 AM	#14
LIKTOSHOOT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 9,367	Re: .357 sig over 40 s&w ?? DPS carried .357`s for years when street cops couldn`t anymore. Read::::: OVER-PENETRATION!!! Now they`ve gone back to it for two more rounds---only one ifin you use the seven shot wheel gun. What changed?????? If I were to face either, the wheel gun gun wins hands down with the intimidation factor. Ever face off close range........and see that star gleaming on the end of that hollow point???? LTS

07-18-2006, 09:43 PM	#15
Tony Mig Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Sorprano State Posts: 716	Re: .357 sig over 40 s&w ?? I would think the penetration factor would be a consideration depending on what the gun is used for. If I was in Law Enforcement, military, or armed security, I'd go with the 357 Sig, but for home defense that over penetration could become a serious isse. I prefer the .45acp in the house, it'll knock down the biggest bastard even if he's sporting body armour, and is the least likely round to punch through your target, and continue to cause co-lateral damage. Again, if the People's Republic of New Jersey ever got a "Shall-Issue" law, and I carried, I don't know that I'd want something with the penetrating power of the 357 Sig, since my need for that gun shouldn't involve shooting through motor vehicles, and any co-lateral damage caused by my decission to fire my weapon in a public place would result in years of littigation, I would still choose the slower, heavier .45acp over the 357 Sig. Just my 2 cents worth.....YMMV __________________ "I solemnly swear to tell the truth as I know it, the whole truth as I believe it to be, and nothing but what I think you need to know." New Jersey Politician's oath of office O /\ (( -------------v-

09-15-2006, 11:56 PM	#16
HadEmAll Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 24	Re: .357 sig over 40 s&w ?? I as a civilian CHL holder have absolutely no interest in shooting through windshield glass or car doors. I am fine with the 155 grain .40 JPH at 1200 fps. I chuckle at that "funnel" theory because so many people on so many forums say it like the .40 has some kind of reliability problem. I have six .40s and have never had a feeding problem. I doubt thousands of law enforcement agencies would have stuck with the .40 if it was prone to feeding problems. LEOs may need the ability to shoot through car doors and window glass, but I don't want the overpenetration that implies in soft targets like bad people that need shooting. Texas DPS went to the 357 SIG because they weren't satisfied with the .45 ACP. And the common .40 bullet weights I'm aware of are 135 grain, 150 grain, 155 grain, 165 grain, and 180 grain. Whoever said the 357 has more available bullet weights must know of rounds I don't. Last edited by HadEmAll; 09-15-2006 at 11:58 PM..

09-29-2006, 11:39 PM	#21
Light Coat V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Middle of Nowhere, KS Posts: 466	Re: .357 sig over 40 s&w ?? Haven't had feed problems with .40. That's in semi and full autos. Don't see a need to shoot windshields and if I did I would sure as heck fire more than one round. Haven't heard anything great about the .357 except for the noise and hole in your pocket after loading $$$ into the magazine. I think the calibre is the new bandwagon; kind of like Glocks are right now. I just don't like polymer; can't get over the way it feels. Hot rod or not to hot rod; that is the question.

10-06-2006, 11:09 AM	#22
shooter V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NC Posts: 79	Re: .357 sig over 40 s&w ?? ive been jones'n for a P229 in 357sig...but the overpenatration worried about home defense..or over penetration period..heaven forbid i ever had to draw down on someone in my home and had something high powered and it did come out the back..i can hear the prosecuting attorney now trying to say that im a war monger or something like that and i purposely used a high power round etc etc etc ... i think ill stick to the 40SW for now

10-06-2006, 09:22 PM	#23
Bruce FLinch Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bay Point, Kali..aka Gun Point Posts: 5,016	Re: .357 sig over 40 s&w ?? But can you reload them very well? __________________ A bad day @ the Range, is better than a good day @ work.