i see the truth is illegal now if it upsets gays - The Firearms Forum

jack404 · 12-02-2011, 05:33 AM

Pastors charged after telling 'gays' about sin
Now facing bench trial in court run by lesbian

Two veteran street preachers in Houston are facing a bench trial for spreading the biblical message about homosexuality – and other sins – on one of their favorite corners for preaching in Houston.

That the message was direct is obvious, from a photo of the situation that developed for David Stokes of BulldogMinistries.com and Dave Allen of HornofSamuelBook.com:

Their sign warns those who are "Drunks, homosexuals, abortionist, adulterers, liars, fornicators, thieves, atheists, witches, idolators" that "Hell awaits you."

Their hearing will be in Houston Municipal Court, which is run by Barbara E. Hartle, who, according to the Dallas Voice, is listed by the Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund as "one of only a few out members of the Texas judiciary."

She was appointed to the position by Houston Mayor Annise Parker, identified by the Los Angeles Times as "the first lesbian to head a major American city."

Allen told WND that no matter what happens, the fact that the ministers were handcuffed and ticketed, with their signs and shofar confiscated for a time, sent a chilling message about free speech regarding religion and homosexuality.

Technically, they were ticketed for having signs thicker than one-quarter inch (they say they were 3/16ths and that they'd been approved beforehand), and for having a sign not made out of wood (their shofar is a ram's horn style).

Officers responded after someone apparently complained about the messengers and their message, but a video reveals that the first officer on the scene told them they weren't doing anything wrong.

It was a few minutes later, however, when officers approached the preachers, apparently grabbed a video camera, wrestled them to the ground and put them in handcuffs.

That's even though Stokes and Allan have been preaching at that location for several years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkDkP...layer_embedded

The video recording shows that the officers discussed the situation with each other, saying, "They can be out there all they want," and "There was no problem, but we have to do a report on this guy."

There's also a reference to "one way to get rid of them," coupled with a muffled statement that appears to say, "Seize the signs."

The ministers reported on a YouTube video description that that "police officer admits to trying to take the signs away in order to get us to leave the corner."

To Allen, that sounds like a First Amendment speech infringement.

"We have been preaching on this corner with these same signs for two years," he says in the YouTube introduction.

A local television station also reported on the developing controversy

Allen told WND he blows the shofar and others preach to passersby because of the Old Testament warning that those who know the truth of God's will and don't deliver it to others will bear the responsibility of that failure.

Allen told WND the ministries largely have had a reasonable relationship with the Houston Police Department, but this incident seemed to be reaching for the men in blue.

He said he couldn't speculate on what impact the ministries' message of biblical condemnation for homosexuality may have on the outcome of their case.

"Preaching is all we were doing," he said. "Against all sins."

Read more: Pastors charged after telling 'gays' about sin http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=373377#ixzz1fNN7vI2F

cycloneman · 12-02-2011, 05:51 AM

I dunno. whats wrong wit one man taking his tally wakker and sticking in a nother mans backside? Seems perfectly natural, you know like sticking your tally wakker in a electrical socket, dung heap, or a goat. I mean whats wrong with that?

You can tell someone that what they are doing is wrong and that is ok. But once the police move in and throw you around screw it let them burn.

A cop should have the ability to make a decission between right and wrong, they need to burn also. They obviously cant choose right.

The devil doesn't like to be told he is wrong

jack404 · 12-02-2011, 06:08 AM

notice the first cop told it was ok but then the others came

who said gays are weak , when they have this much influence they are not weak , and a valid target

Willie · 12-02-2011, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jack404

notice the first cop told it was ok but then the others came

who said gays are weak , when they have this much influence they are not weak , and a valid target

In my experience they are far from weak and most are militant and want to flaunt thier lifestyle. My daughter said My tolerating her lifestyle was not enough. She wants us to embrace it. Amazing.

carver · 12-02-2011, 09:30 AM

Sodomy is illegal in TX, a misdemeanor and a $500 fine. http://www.glapn.org/sodomylaws/usa/texas/texas.htm
But to speak against sodomy will get arrested? These boys have a good case!

jack404 · 12-02-2011, 09:31 AM

drunks are similar , they will try to get you to drink like them as its all ok , they just want company as low as themselves sadly and want to drag others down to that level too .

Pray is all i can suggest , when folks are that fooled its a heck of a thing to wake em up and on a straight line again

carver · 12-02-2011, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Willie

In my experience they are far from weak and most are militant and want to flaunt thier lifestyle. My daughter said My tolerating her lifestyle was not enough. She wants us to embrace it. Amazing.

My wife does not embrace her son's homosexuality, but she does accept it. I, on the other hand make no bones about where I stand, or what I think. He, and I, get along, but let's say that we tolerate each other.

This one's funny, so I got to tell it. One time he, and another queer friend came over to the house to help me with removing some trees. He jumped on the riding lawn mower, leaving me, and the other guy to do the hard work. He came up behind us on the lawnmower, and as he came around us he said, "Beep, Beep", then looked back and said, "You need to put a horn on this thing". My reply? "Why, the driver blows"! His friend fell out in yard laughing his butt off!

Caneman · 12-02-2011, 11:24 AM

oh ya, telling a homosexual that their behavior is immoral is now considered "hate speach"...

Porkbutt · 12-02-2011, 05:32 PM

Germany, 1939

jack404 · 12-02-2011, 05:37 PM

not far off it Porkbutt eh ..

raven818 · 12-02-2011, 05:54 PM

What happened there, IMO, the first cop got on his radio " nothing wrong here ". That ticked off somebody with a Sergent's rank up that was listening. They went car-to-car with another officer, and that officer was told to " find something wrong, get em off the street ".

I don't know if car-to-car is recorded or not, but the preachers attorney should look into it.

hogger129 · 12-02-2011, 11:29 PM

I don't really care what gays do as long as they don't bother me.

HunterAlpha1 · 12-02-2011, 11:44 PM

if i had only one child i would tolerate their perversion to some extent(they would, naturally, be forbidden to practice it in my house or on my property) and try to love them back to the straight

and narrow, but if i had more than one child i would have no choice but to put them out lest they corrupt their siblings.

Gun Geezer · 12-03-2011, 09:58 AM

"Something wrong is still wrong no matter how many are doing it." Time for a good lawyer there.

Caneman · 12-03-2011, 10:12 AM

i know a lot of you guys will disagree with this, but that's OK most people don't agree with my opinions anyway...

God setup the universe to respond to righteousness... righteousness is a 'holier than thou' religious phrase that means doing the right moral thing... if people do the right thing the earth and other people respond well and thrive in this type of environment... however, if society chooses immorality the earth and other people respond with chaos...

now, for people who say "i don't care what other people do in their bedrooms so long as they don't bother me"... i say you should care, you should stand up for what is right morally because it does affect you!

our nation is at a tipping point right now, we are either going to be a nation of righteousness or lawlessness, and which way it tips depends on people standing up for what is right and doing the right thing, or for good people to stand by and do nothing...

off the soap box now...

carver · 12-03-2011, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caneman

i know a lot of you guys will disagree with this, but that's OK most people don't agree with my opinions anyway...

God setup the universe to respond to righteousness... righteousness is a 'holier than thou' religious phrase that means doing the right moral thing... if people do the right thing the earth and other people respond well and thrive in this type of environment... however, if society chooses immorality the earth and other people respond with chaos...

now, for people who say "i don't care what other people do in their bedrooms so long as they don't bother me"... i say you should care, you should stand up for what is right morally because it does affect you!

our nation is at a tipping point right now, we are either going to be a nation of righteousness or lawlessness, and which way it tips depends on people standing up for what is right and doing the right thing, or for good people to stand by and do nothing...

off the soap box now...

Amen!

jlloyd73 · 12-03-2011, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by carver

Amen!

+100000

cutter · 12-03-2011, 11:19 AM

What bothers me is they are pushing it in my face and teaching it in school. Most adolence (sp) have insecurities about thier sexuallity and this indoctronation seems to push them the other way. Very sad how they are feminizing the male and the females are getting more masculan.

12-02-2011, 05:33 AM	#1
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	i see the truth is illegal now if it upsets gays Pastors charged after telling 'gays' about sin Now facing bench trial in court run by lesbian Two veteran street preachers in Houston are facing a bench trial for spreading the biblical message about homosexuality – and other sins – on one of their favorite corners for preaching in Houston. That the message was direct is obvious, from a photo of the situation that developed for David Stokes of BulldogMinistries.com and Dave Allen of HornofSamuelBook.com: Their sign warns those who are "Drunks, homosexuals, abortionist, adulterers, liars, fornicators, thieves, atheists, witches, idolators" that "Hell awaits you." Their hearing will be in Houston Municipal Court, which is run by Barbara E. Hartle, who, according to the Dallas Voice, is listed by the Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund as "one of only a few out members of the Texas judiciary." She was appointed to the position by Houston Mayor Annise Parker, identified by the Los Angeles Times as "the first lesbian to head a major American city." Allen told WND that no matter what happens, the fact that the ministers were handcuffed and ticketed, with their signs and shofar confiscated for a time, sent a chilling message about free speech regarding religion and homosexuality. Technically, they were ticketed for having signs thicker than one-quarter inch (they say they were 3/16ths and that they'd been approved beforehand), and for having a sign not made out of wood (their shofar is a ram's horn style). Officers responded after someone apparently complained about the messengers and their message, but a video reveals that the first officer on the scene told them they weren't doing anything wrong. It was a few minutes later, however, when officers approached the preachers, apparently grabbed a video camera, wrestled them to the ground and put them in handcuffs. That's even though Stokes and Allan have been preaching at that location for several years. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkDkP...layer_embedded The video recording shows that the officers discussed the situation with each other, saying, "They can be out there all they want," and "There was no problem, but we have to do a report on this guy." There's also a reference to "one way to get rid of them," coupled with a muffled statement that appears to say, "Seize the signs." The ministers reported on a YouTube video description that that "police officer admits to trying to take the signs away in order to get us to leave the corner." To Allen, that sounds like a First Amendment speech infringement. "We have been preaching on this corner with these same signs for two years," he says in the YouTube introduction. A local television station also reported on the developing controversy Allen told WND he blows the shofar and others preach to passersby because of the Old Testament warning that those who know the truth of God's will and don't deliver it to others will bear the responsibility of that failure. Allen told WND the ministries largely have had a reasonable relationship with the Houston Police Department, but this incident seemed to be reaching for the men in blue. He said he couldn't speculate on what impact the ministries' message of biblical condemnation for homosexuality may have on the outcome of their case. "Preaching is all we were doing," he said. "Against all sins." Read more: Pastors charged after telling 'gays' about sin http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=373377#ixzz1fNN7vI2F -->

12-02-2011, 05:51 AM	#2
cycloneman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Louisiana Posts: 7,407	Re: i see the truth is illegal now if it upsets gays I dunno. whats wrong wit one man taking his tally wakker and sticking in a nother mans backside? Seems perfectly natural, you know like sticking your tally wakker in a electrical socket, dung heap, or a goat. I mean whats wrong with that? You can tell someone that what they are doing is wrong and that is ok. But once the police move in and throw you around screw it let them burn. A cop should have the ability to make a decission between right and wrong, they need to burn also. They obviously cant choose right. The devil doesn't like to be told he is wrong __________________ Who are you going to serve today? Last edited by cycloneman; 12-02-2011 at 05:52 AM..

12-02-2011, 06:08 AM	#3
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: i see the truth is illegal now if it upsets gays notice the first cop told it was ok but then the others came who said gays are weak , when they have this much influence they are not weak , and a valid target

12-02-2011, 09:30 AM	#5
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,301	Re: i see the truth is illegal now if it upsets gays Sodomy is illegal in TX, a misdemeanor and a $500 fine. http://www.glapn.org/sodomylaws/usa/texas/texas.htm But to speak against sodomy will get arrested? These boys have a good case! __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

12-02-2011, 09:31 AM	#6
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: i see the truth is illegal now if it upsets gays drunks are similar , they will try to get you to drink like them as its all ok , they just want company as low as themselves sadly and want to drag others down to that level too . Pray is all i can suggest , when folks are that fooled its a heck of a thing to wake em up and on a straight line again

12-02-2011, 11:24 AM	#8
Caneman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,280	Re: i see the truth is illegal now if it upsets gays oh ya, telling a homosexual that their behavior is immoral is now considered "hate speach"...

12-02-2011, 05:32 PM	#9
Porkbutt Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: DFW Texas Posts: 21	Re: i see the truth is illegal now if it upsets gays Germany, 1939

12-02-2011, 05:37 PM	#10
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: i see the truth is illegal now if it upsets gays not far off it Porkbutt eh ..

12-02-2011, 05:54 PM	#11
raven818 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Jax, Fl. Contributor Posts: 4,423	Re: i see the truth is illegal now if it upsets gays What happened there, IMO, the first cop got on his radio " nothing wrong here ". That ticked off somebody with a Sergent's rank up that was listening. They went car-to-car with another officer, and that officer was told to " find something wrong, get em off the street ". I don't know if car-to-car is recorded or not, but the preachers attorney should look into it. __________________ Firearms and Salt Water Fishing Retired 42 Years LEO

12-02-2011, 11:29 PM	#12
hogger129 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,069	Re: i see the truth is illegal now if it upsets gays I don't really care what gays do as long as they don't bother me. __________________ Samuel Adams once said, "among the natural rights of the colonists are these: first, a right to life, secondly to liberty, thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can." Last edited by hogger129; 12-02-2011 at 11:31 PM..

12-02-2011, 11:44 PM	#13
HunterAlpha1 Former Guest Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Yorktown, VA Posts: 1,049	Re: i see the truth is illegal now if it upsets gays if i had only one child i would tolerate their perversion to some extent(they would, naturally, be forbidden to practice it in my house or on my property) and try to love them back to the straight and narrow, but if i had more than one child i would have no choice but to put them out lest they corrupt their siblings. Last edited by HunterAlpha1; 12-02-2011 at 11:47 PM..

12-03-2011, 09:58 AM	#14
Gun Geezer Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,710	Re: i see the truth is illegal now if it upsets gays "Something wrong is still wrong no matter how many are doing it." Time for a good lawyer there.

12-03-2011, 10:12 AM	#15
Caneman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,280	Re: i see the truth is illegal now if it upsets gays i know a lot of you guys will disagree with this, but that's OK most people don't agree with my opinions anyway... God setup the universe to respond to righteousness... righteousness is a 'holier than thou' religious phrase that means doing the right moral thing... if people do the right thing the earth and other people respond well and thrive in this type of environment... however, if society chooses immorality the earth and other people respond with chaos... now, for people who say "i don't care what other people do in their bedrooms so long as they don't bother me"... i say you should care, you should stand up for what is right morally because it does affect you! our nation is at a tipping point right now, we are either going to be a nation of righteousness or lawlessness, and which way it tips depends on people standing up for what is right and doing the right thing, or for good people to stand by and do nothing... off the soap box now...

12-03-2011, 11:19 AM	#18
cutter Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 632	Re: i see the truth is illegal now if it upsets gays What bothers me is they are pushing it in my face and teaching it in school. Most adolence (sp) have insecurities about thier sexuallity and this indoctronation seems to push them the other way. Very sad how they are feminizing the male and the females are getting more masculan.