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Join Date: Nov 2009
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I just received a hand-me-down 410 gauge Harrison and Richardson gun. I was hoping you could help me out with information on it.
On the bore it reads "410 12m/m choke." What does 12 m/m mean? The serial no? behind the trigger is A123092. The gun is in fair condition. What is the gun worth? Can you tell me anything else about this gun.
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: NW Florida
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The external dimension of a 410 shotshell is approximately 11.5mm. I presume that, at some time in the past (most probably in Europe) the 410 shotshell was referred to as a 12mm shotshell.
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: houston, tx
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the 410 shell was first an american invention the 12mm and 14 mm shotshells were european small bore loading.
H&R marked their 410's with the 410-12mm marking between 1922 and 1936. after that time they were only marked 410 when the 3 inch shells were introduced. during this time H&R manufactured two difference sizes of frames for the 410 each with their own model number. the model 1915/05 small frame and the model 1908/08 standard size frame. H&R used the A letter code to denote a single barrel shotgun early on my best guess as to the age of your shotgun would be about 1929 or so. MODEL 1908----------------------------------------------------------1909-1942 Single Barrel, Standard Size Frame, Top Lever Break Action, Barrel Lock is Non-Self Adjustable, Three Piece Take Down (Non-Removable Hinge Pin), 12, 16, 20, 24 & 28 Gauges, Barrel Length of 26, 28, 30 & 32 inches, Walnut Pistol Griped Butt-Stock and Fore-Arm, Hard Rubber Butt Plate, Frame is Case Hardened and Barrel is Browned, Available as Ejector & Non-ejector, Weight 5¾ to 6 3/8 Pounds, Advertised as having Steel Barrel First Variation- identifying features 2 ½ inch chambers, very slim and short Forearm-----------1909-1921 Second Variation- identifying features, 2¾ inch Chambers, Slim Long Fore-Arm (24 & 28 Gauges dropped in 1923)----------1922-1930 Third Variation- 410 Bore added in 1925------------------------1925-1942 Fourth Variation Known as No. 8 Standard the Model Name “STANDARD” is marked on Left side of Frame, Wider Fore-Arm-----1931-1942 This Model was made available to the Mail-Order Trade as a Brand Name Shotgun Deduct 25 % VALUE: 100%=$195 60%=$55 the 24 and 28 Gauges are Worth a 25% Premium MODEL 1915----------------------------------------------------------1916-1942 Single Barrel, Small Size Frame, Top Lever Break Action, Barrel Lock is Non-Self Adjustable, Three Piece Take Down (Non-Removable Hinge Pin), Available as Ejector & Non-ejector, 24, 28, 12mm, 14mm Gauges and 410-44, 45 Shot chambering, barrel Length 26,28, & 30 inches, Walnut Pistol Griped Butt-Stock Fore-Arm, Hard Rubber Butt Plate, Frame is Case Hardened and Barrel is Browned, Weight 4 to 4¾ Pounds. The 410 Bore can be Dated by its markings, 410-44 =1916-1921, 410-12MM =1922-1936 410 =1937-1941 (this is the only 410 Pre WWII chambered for the 3 inch shell First Variation identifying features- Slim and Short Fore-Arm----------1916-1921 Second Variation identifying features-Long Forearm, Squared off Pistol Grip, 45 caliber dropped---1922-1930 Third Variation identifying features- Now Known as the Model No.5 Standard (which may be marked on the frame------1931-1936 Fourth Variation identifying features- 410 is chambered for 3 inch shells---1937-1942 This Model was made available to the Mail-Order Trade as a Brand Name Shotgun VALUE: 100%=$365 60%=$155 bill
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