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358 winchester · 02-24-2009, 07:28 AM

OK here are some of my thoughts:
#1. I don't think the government should be using our tax dollars to BAIL out and private industry, if they go broke because of poor management then so be it.

#2. No bank should be nationalized for any reason!

#3. If the home owner has bought more than they can afford and have nothing to fall back on then I feel for them but I can't see using my money to pay their mortgage. No one is paying mine. When I was pushed into retirement and lost my in come for a year Carla & I where hurting big time I sold the house and down sized (in payments) so that I could keep a roof over our heads, no help from the government!!

#4. The tea bags and the marches are fine little protests that will not get the job done, but will get some attention for the news SHOWS. I didn't say news because I don't feel that we are getting the news we are being feed just what they wants us to eat and nothing more.

In summary I will add these words;
We the people of the United States of America need a leader that will tell the rest of the world to TAKE CARE OF YOUR OWN PROBLEMS, one that will read the Constitution and follow it, one that will tell the Justice Dept. to follow the laws that have been voted on and approved by the people NOT MAKE THE LAWS. We need some one with the courage to tell the crooked members of Washington to pack their bags and go home "YOUR FIRED" then lock their butts away. The states can then vote on a replacement. I also believe that no one should be allowed to serve more than four years in any office that we the people vote on, NO SECOND TERM FOR ANY ONE. Right now we have politicians that have their entire adult life in office and haven't a clue what it is like to hold a real job.
No I don't know who it should be nor what party, sex, color or any other details, what I do know is that if we don't get this person in office very very soon then the American way of life as we know it will be gone forever and the folks that want to live free normal lives will have to hide to do so.
An all out revolution isn't going to change any thing if we don't put real men and women with backbones in the offices that run this country.
So start looking PLEASE in the mean time
STOCK UP
BUNKER DOWN
& HOLD ON

oldogy · 02-24-2009, 07:52 AM

In addition, we need single item legislation. No riders, no pork, no addendums period. That is the only way we will ever bring credence to the elected members of congress, let them vote on one single issue. The recent stimulus bill was, I am sure all here agree, the worst example of how congress operates. The clowns knew not of what they voted. IMHO, anyone who voted for that crap bill should be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail The current system mandates that a polititian prostitute himself/herself, can not be true to their belief. Single item legislation is the only way America can save itself.
oldogy

mrkirker · 02-24-2009, 08:14 AM

Rankles me that Billions will be spent to help our Government Sponsored Victim Class (GSVC), who constitute less than eight percent of home mortgage holders. Again, our blessed reps are removing a consequence of negative behavior!
Get fired: No Problem, here's 'Welfare'!
Get Knocked-Up: No Problem, here's 'Childcare'!
Overextend yourself financially: No Problem, here's 'Bailout'!

45nut · 02-24-2009, 08:23 AM

Well Hell,

You guys all hit the nail on the little flat spot and didn't leave me anything to b*&ch about.

I like the single item item legislation idea. No way this bunch of a-holes would go for it.

doug66 · 02-24-2009, 08:31 AM

There have always been poor and pitiful people on this earth. No matter what, some people will be poor. I believe the our govt. should make sure that the old, the sick, and the children of this country don't starve.

I feel the only group who deserves any special treatment are our veterans.

We have turned our back on God, and just Rev. Wright said, America's chickens have come home to roost...........What ever happened to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

mrkirker · 02-24-2009, 08:34 AM

What ever happened to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
It has become the guarantee of happiness.

Lori Mick · 02-24-2009, 08:36 AM

there are 5 states with the major mortgage problems....
the billions of dollars needed to help failed mortgages just don't add up...
or did all these homes have a worth over a million each? I doubt that.

The stimulus package giving amnesty to all the illegal aliens is ridiculous.
It's costing us way too much money.
Not to mention they are responsible for over a million crimes in the past 10 years! And we are going to get punished for most of them by paying for it or giving up our guns? When they get released from jail they don't get deported! What's wrong with this picture? And that poor guy who got sued by them will probably never call in the authorites again.

Giving 4 billion to ACORN, known for voter fraud and now obstruction of the law should be taken out of the stimulus package.

The whole system sucks!

oops....is this a ranting thread???

so here are some stats from one state alone.

From the L. A. Times
1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L. A. County has 10.2 million people)are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.

2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.

4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal , whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.

7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

9. 21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking.

10. In L. A. County, 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish.
(There are 10.2 million people in L. A. County )

(All 10 items above are from the Los Angeles Times)

Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare. Over 70% of the United States' annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration. 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.

that's my rant for today!

Islandboy · 02-24-2009, 08:36 AM

I just watched on CNN that the U.S. is going to donate $900 million to rebuild Gaza?
Govt says no money to Hamas though....
Wow.

358 winchester · 02-24-2009, 08:37 AM

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In addition, we need single item legislation. No riders, no pork, no addendums period. That is the only way we will ever bring credence to the elected members of congress, let them vote on one single issue.

That one slipped past me but you sir are darn tooting it should be that way ONLY

Lori Mick · 02-24-2009, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Islandboy

I just watched on CNN that the U.S. is going to donate $900 million to rebuild Gaza?
Govt says no money to Hamas though....
Wow.

donate huh?

TranterUK · 02-24-2009, 08:51 AM

There was a time when you new who the good and who the bad guys were. The Bad guys did one decent thing, they let everyone know who they were. A scull and crossbones on a black cap for example, just as a clue.

These days? We have lost the plot and are screwed. To what degree? I dont know. Can it be fixed? I dont know. Is someone somewhere making a ton of money out of this, Oh yes, I am sure.

Someone once pointed out to me banks have granite or marble in the front to give an impression of solid , traditional stability. Perhaps they should replace it all with plastic.

mrkirker · 02-24-2009, 09:04 AM

replace it all with plastic.

Or Paper Mache'?

Pistolenschutze · 02-24-2009, 09:31 AM

Alexander Fraser Tytler, Lord Woodhouselee (October 15, 1747 - January 5, 1813), a Scottish-born British lawyer and writer once said: "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. "

It would seem we may well have reached that point in November last year.

RunningOnMT · 02-24-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by 45nut

Well Hell,

You guys all hit the nail on the little flat spot and didn't leave me anything to b*&ch about.

I like the single item item legislation idea. No way this bunch of a-holes would go for it.

That was my thought too. Excellant points 358 winchester and oldogy.

artabr · 02-24-2009, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Pistolenschutze

Alexander Fraser Tytler, Lord Woodhouselee (October 15, 1747 - January 5, 1813), a Scottish-born British lawyer and writer once said: "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. "

It would seem we may well have reached that point in November last year.

There it is in a simple little quote. It's amazing that you can condense the destruction of a great nation into 23 words.

Art

cycloneman · 02-24-2009, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Pistolenschutze

Alexander Fraser Tytler, Lord Woodhouselee (October 15, 1747 - January 5, 1813), a Scottish-born British lawyer and writer once said: "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. "

It would seem we may well have reached that point in November last year.

True sir.

I have come to learn that the two parties tell you what you want to hear, depending on what side of the fence your on. Once there in office they hit pay dirt. To me there is no one out there worth voting for. The middle class has been fooled for far too long and it's only a matter of time till the middle class demands a new party. No one trusts the Republican or Demo. To answer you question:

I FEEL SCREWED!!!!!!!!!my .02

USMC-03 · 02-24-2009, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 358 winchester

OK here are some of my thoughts:
#1. I don't think the government should be using our tax dollars to BAIL out and private industry, if they go broke because of poor management then so be it.

#2. No bank should be nationalized for any reason!

#3. If the home owner has bought more than they can afford and have nothing to fall back on then I feel for them but I can't see using my money to pay their mortgage. No one is paying mine. When I was pushed into retirement and lost my in come for a year Carla & I where hurting big time I sold the house and down sized (in payments) so that I could keep a roof over our heads, no help from the government!!

You've got my vote .358!

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Originally Posted by 358 winchester

#4. The tea bags and the marches are fine little protests that will not get the job done, but will get some attention for the news SHOWS. I didn't say news because I don't feel that we are getting the news we are being feed just what they wants us to eat and nothing more.

You're right of course, but the silent majority has to start standing up in some form and fashion, maybe this is it… Each huricane begins with but a single drop of rain.

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Originally Posted by oldogy

In addition, we need single item legislation. No riders, no pork, no addendums period...

Agreed. I would also include a law, something that can't be dispensed with, that requires the final version of all legislation in any law making body, federal or state, to be read aloud, in its entirety, before a full session of that body prior to any final vote, and only those members who have been present for the entire reading may cast a vote. This would both keep legislation to a minimum and those laws that do pass would be much shorter and simpler.

I'm also waiting for a Presidential candidate to say that he/she will veto any bill that does not include the repeal of five out of date laws. Any new program must be preceded by the elimination of three old ones. To create a new department, two must be eliminated. And on, and on…

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Originally Posted by mrkirker

What ever happened to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
It has become the guarantee of happiness.

And such is the Marxist utopia…

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Originally Posted by Lori Mick

Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare. Over 70% of the United States' annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration. 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.

Build the fence, build it now!!! Also, prohibited businesses from deducting the labor of workers without valid SSN's from their income taxes and make all earnings of illegal's forfeit as gains from unlawful activity. If we stop the easy flow across the border, dry up the "jobs that Americans won't do" and enlist local law enforcement to check citizenship as they see fit and hold illegal's for ICE, most of the problem would be solved with little effort.

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Originally Posted by TranterUK

These days? We have lost the plot and are screwed. To what degree? I dont know. Can it be fixed? I dont know. Is someone somewhere making a ton of money out of this, Oh yes, I am sure.

All are equal, some are just more equal…

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Originally Posted by Pistolenschutze

Alexander Fraser Tytler, Lord Woodhouselee (October 15, 1747 - January 5, 1813), a Scottish-born British lawyer and writer once said: "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. "

It would seem we may well have reached that point in November last year.

…We'll all be drinking free Bubble-Up and eating that Rainbow Stew…

vytoland · 02-24-2009, 01:40 PM

people need to understand that they can not continue to buy everything that they want as if they were an eight year old in a candy store.

spending tomorrow's dollar today is insane and will bite u in the behind.

this soceity is going to wake up too late and find itself in the bottom of the can with no way out.

too many credit cards.........too many one parent homes (or kids being raised by grandparents)...........too little common sense.........too many gang bangers..............too much drug traffic

and now we have an inner circle that wants to eliminate capitalism and have this country reborn under socialism

WAKE UP america

RunningOnMT · 02-24-2009, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by vytoland

people need to understand that they can not continue to buy everything that they want as if they were an eight year old in a candy store.

Tell that to Glocknut.

delta13soultaker · 02-24-2009, 06:13 PM

I was never good at math.

Can anyone elaborate on how the deficit will be cut in half in 4 years?

CampingJosh · 02-24-2009, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by delta13soultaker

I was never good at math.

Can anyone elaborate on how the deficit will be cut in half in 4 years?

Sure, this is easy.

The deficit in 2013 will be half of that in 2009. That's why he's working so hard to make sure the 2009 deficit is close to 2 trillion dollars: so that a 1 trillion dollar deficit will be half!

CampingJosh · 02-24-2009, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by USMC-03

If we stop the easy flow across the border, dry up the "jobs that Americans won't do" and enlist local law enforcement to check citizenship as they see fit and hold illegal's for ICE, most of the problem would be solved with little effort.

(emphasis added)

The problem is that most of the jobs are now jobs that "Americans won't do." Far too many see any kind of work or exertion as below them.

Lori Mick · 02-24-2009, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by delta13soultaker

I was never good at math.

Can anyone elaborate on how the deficit will be cut in half in 4 years?

I don't think The Mighty Obozzo and his inmates are very good at math at all...
I'm still trying to figure out where they keep coming up with all these numbers!
I used to do estimating for electrical jobs and they come up with bogus numbers for all these road projects?
And then today McCain brought it to our attention that alot of jobs are pay as you go and add a percentage??? what the F*&&^^%*??? NOBODY does business like that anymore....

And all those billions for the forclosed homes??? The numbers don't add up.

Last week He just spent triple what we've spent in the last eight years and now he's going to cut the budget in half???
Just like Rush said..... he just says what the people want to hear and then he does what he wants....

We are so screwed.....

noslolo · 02-25-2009, 01:50 AM

How dare you Lori! You stated that you don't think the President knows his math. He has stated no ear marks, but his budget only has 8,000 of them! Oh crap...I'm sorry, you might have a point.

Longspring · 02-25-2009, 02:02 AM

[QUOTE][…We'll all be drinking free Bubble-Up and eating that Rainbow Stew…
/QUOTE]
Great thread ! For me it all boils down to one thing . Contract law . If people can't or wont be held accountable for their actions , debts , whatever , what the hell are we doing ?

02-24-2009, 08:31 AM	#5
doug66 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kansas Posts: 538	Re: how do you really feel? There have always been poor and pitiful people on this earth. No matter what, some people will be poor. I believe the our govt. should make sure that the old, the sick, and the children of this country don't starve. I feel the only group who deserves any special treatment are our veterans. We have turned our back on God, and just Rev. Wright said, America's chickens have come home to roost...........What ever happened to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

02-24-2009, 08:34 AM	#6
mrkirker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,067	Re: how do you really feel? What ever happened to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It has become the guarantee of happiness. __________________ *I don't know if dogs have a heaven, but there will be dogs in mine.*

02-24-2009, 08:36 AM	#7
Lori Mick Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Stuck in Upstate NY for a while Posts: 2,374	Re: how do you really feel? there are 5 states with the major mortgage problems.... the billions of dollars needed to help failed mortgages just don't add up... or did all these homes have a worth over a million each? I doubt that. The stimulus package giving amnesty to all the illegal aliens is ridiculous. It's costing us way too much money. Not to mention they are responsible for over a million crimes in the past 10 years! And we are going to get punished for most of them by paying for it or giving up our guns? When they get released from jail they don't get deported! What's wrong with this picture? And that poor guy who got sued by them will probably never call in the authorites again. Giving 4 billion to ACORN, known for voter fraud and now obstruction of the law should be taken out of the stimulus package. The whole system sucks! oops....is this a ranting thread??? so here are some stats from one state alone. From the L. A. Times 1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L. A. County has 10.2 million people)are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card. 2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens. 3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens. 4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal , whose births were paid for by taxpayers. 5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally 6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages. 7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border. 8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal. 9. 21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking. 10. In L. A. County, 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish. (There are 10.2 million people in L. A. County ) (All 10 items above are from the Los Angeles Times) Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare. Over 70% of the United States' annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration. 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens. that's my rant for today! __________________ It's a Brand New Day! Make it an awesome one! "No one outside myself can rule me inwardly. Knowing this I become wholly free."

02-24-2009, 08:36 AM	#8
Islandboy Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Off the right coast Posts: 676	Re: how do you really feel? I just watched on CNN that the U.S. is going to donate $900 million to rebuild Gaza? Govt says no money to Hamas though.... Wow.

02-24-2009, 08:51 AM	#11
TranterUK Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Cambridge UK Posts: 5,103	Re: how do you really feel? There was a time when you new who the good and who the bad guys were. The Bad guys did one decent thing, they let everyone know who they were. A scull and crossbones on a black cap for example, just as a clue. These days? We have lost the plot and are screwed. To what degree? I dont know. Can it be fixed? I dont know. Is someone somewhere making a ton of money out of this, Oh yes, I am sure. Someone once pointed out to me banks have granite or marble in the front to give an impression of solid , traditional stability. Perhaps they should replace it all with plastic. __________________ DVC - Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas - Accuracy, Power, Speed. The light at the end of the recession tunnel IS a train coming the other way! Last edited by TranterUK; 02-24-2009 at 08:55 AM..

02-24-2009, 07:28 AM	#1
358 winchester TFF Admin Staff Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Pensacola Fl. area Posts: 7,335	how do you really feel? OK here are some of my thoughts: #1. I don't think the government should be using our tax dollars to BAIL out and private industry, if they go broke because of poor management then so be it. #2. No bank should be nationalized for any reason! #3. If the home owner has bought more than they can afford and have nothing to fall back on then I feel for them but I can't see using my money to pay their mortgage. No one is paying mine. When I was pushed into retirement and lost my in come for a year Carla & I where hurting big time I sold the house and down sized (in payments) so that I could keep a roof over our heads, no help from the government!! #4. The tea bags and the marches are fine little protests that will not get the job done, but will get some attention for the news SHOWS. I didn't say news because I don't feel that we are getting the news we are being feed just what they wants us to eat and nothing more. In summary I will add these words; We the people of the United States of America need a leader that will tell the rest of the world to TAKE CARE OF YOUR OWN PROBLEMS, one that will read the Constitution and follow it, one that will tell the Justice Dept. to follow the laws that have been voted on and approved by the people NOT MAKE THE LAWS. We need some one with the courage to tell the crooked members of Washington to pack their bags and go home "YOUR FIRED" then lock their butts away. The states can then vote on a replacement. I also believe that no one should be allowed to serve more than four years in any office that we the people vote on, NO SECOND TERM FOR ANY ONE. Right now we have politicians that have their entire adult life in office and haven't a clue what it is like to hold a real job. No I don't know who it should be nor what party, sex, color or any other details, what I do know is that if we don't get this person in office very very soon then the American way of life as we know it will be gone forever and the folks that want to live free normal lives will have to hide to do so. An all out revolution isn't going to change any thing if we don't put real men and women with backbones in the offices that run this country. So start looking PLEASE in the mean time STOCK UP BUNKER DOWN & HOLD ON __________________ Administrator & Owner RangeDay.com Proud, White, Heterosexual, Gun Owning, Southern American, Christian. Any question about where I stand? -->

02-24-2009, 07:52 AM	#2
oldogy V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: East TN Posts: 309	Re: how do you really feel? In addition, we need single item legislation. No riders, no pork, no addendums period. That is the only way we will ever bring credence to the elected members of congress, let them vote on one single issue. The recent stimulus bill was, I am sure all here agree, the worst example of how congress operates. The clowns knew not of what they voted. IMHO, anyone who voted for that crap bill should be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail The current system mandates that a polititian prostitute himself/herself, can not be true to their belief. Single item legislation is the only way America can save itself. oldogy __________________ ue"]If gun laws in fact worked, the sponsors of this type of legislation should have no difficulty drawing upon long lists of examples of crime rates reduced by such legislation. That they cannot do so after a century and a half of trying -- " Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah)[/COLOR]

02-24-2009, 08:14 AM	#3
mrkirker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,067	Re: how do you really feel? Rankles me that Billions will be spent to help our Government Sponsored Victim Class (GSVC), who constitute less than eight percent of home mortgage holders. Again, our blessed reps are removing a consequence of negative behavior! Get fired: No Problem, here's 'Welfare'! Get Knocked-Up: No Problem, here's 'Childcare'! Overextend yourself financially: No Problem, here's 'Bailout'! __________________ *I don't know if dogs have a heaven, but there will be dogs in mine.*

02-24-2009, 08:23 AM	#4
45nut Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,428	Re: how do you really feel? Well Hell, You guys all hit the nail on the little flat spot and didn't leave me anything to b&ch about. I like the single item item legislation idea. No way this bunch of a-holes* would go for it. __________________ A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that. Shane Nemo me impune lacesset We recall the case of the Shoshone war band which showed up complete with one 30-30 rifle per man the week after Pearl Harbor, and simply wanted to have the enemy pointed out to them. "We hear there's a war going on and we want to go fight it." Jeff Cooper *KCCO*

02-24-2009, 09:04 AM	#12
mrkirker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,067	Re: how do you really feel? replace it all with plastic. Or Paper Mache'? __________________ *I don't know if dogs have a heaven, but there will be dogs in mine.*

02-24-2009, 09:31 AM	#13
Pistolenschutze Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 13,094	Re: how do you really feel? Alexander Fraser Tytler, Lord Woodhouselee (October 15, 1747 - January 5, 1813), a Scottish-born British lawyer and writer once said: "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. " It would seem we may well have reached that point in November last year. __________________ --Pistolenschutze (Pistol Shooter)

02-24-2009, 06:13 PM	#20
delta13soultaker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Depends on Uncle Sam's whim every 3 yrs. Posts: 2,948	Re: how do you really feel? I was never good at math. Can anyone elaborate on how the deficit will be cut in half in 4 years? __________________ Never say die! "A nation who forgets its defenders is soon forgotten itself." "A good shot must necessarily be a good man since the essence of good marksmanship is self-control and self-control is the essential quality of a good man." – Theodore Roosevelt

02-25-2009, 01:50 AM	#24
noslolo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Johnstown PA Posts: 1,558	Re: how do you really feel? How dare you Lori! You stated that you don't think the President knows his math. He has stated no ear marks, but his budget only has 8,000 of them! Oh crap...I'm sorry, you might have a point. __________________ I'm a heck of a "obesito illegitimo"

02-25-2009, 02:02 AM	#25
Longspring V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Rocky Mtns. Posts: 62	Re: how do you really feel? [QUOTE][…We'll all be drinking free Bubble-Up and eating that Rainbow Stew… /QUOTE] Great thread ! For me it all boils down to one thing . Contract law . If people can't or wont be held accountable for their actions , debts , whatever , what the hell are we doing ? __________________ Idaho is a place where we register sex offenders and other criminals , Not Guns !