American Hunters and Shooters Association? - The Firearms Forum

Kentuckian · 05-16-2007, 04:15 AM

http://www.huntersandshooters.org/

Is it just me, or are these folks not as pro-gun, pro-2nd Amendment as they would have people believe?

I browsed through their site, and while some of their views are admittedly pro-gun, many others sound like nothing more than a Brady Bunch talking points memo.

Here's some info on the board members, from Gunowners.org:

Ray Schoenke, President of AHSA

Ray Schoenke played professional football, and was once a candidate for the Governor of Maryland. The AHSA web site states that he is a gun owner, hunter, and that he owns a 300-acre hunting preserve on Maryland's Chesapeake Bay.

However, Schoenke has some skeletons in his closet. He has been a strong supporter of numerous anti-Second Amendment candidates. According to Gun Law News, Schoenke has made political donations to Diane Feinstein, Barbara Boxer, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, John Kerry, and Edward Kennedy.

Bob "Benedict Arnold" Ricker, Executive Director, AHSA

Bob "Benedict Arnold" Ricker once valiantly fought for our Second Amendment rights. The AHSA web site proudly discusses Ricker's pro-Second Amendment activities. He served as the Assistant General Counsel for the NRA, and helped develop the California Rifle and Pistol Association's legislative advocacy program. Early in his career, he made some positive contributions to the fight for our Second Amendment rights.

Ricker has since betrayed the NRA and the Second Amendment. Today, the AHSA web site proudly promotes that he negotiated an agreement between the Clinton administration and Smith and Wesson (S&W) concerning a voluntary child safety lock program.

The agreement was not just about trigger locks and serial numbers. It also would have severely limited gun sales, required mandatory skill testing prior to purchasing a gun, and required impractical changes to gun design. The agreement also pledged that licensed dealers would refrain from selling semi-automatic rifles, prohibit the sale of guns at gun shows that allow private sells, and require gun dealers to include anti-gun literature with every gun sale. The agreement created a huge controversy in the firearm industry and it eventually led to a boycott of S&W. S&W has since come to their senses, and the agreement is a dark spot in the history of a great company.

According to the NRA-ILA, Ricker has also lobbied to further increase gun regulation and to shut down gun shows. With "friends" like Ricker, we don't need enemies.

John E. Rosenthal, President, AHSA Foundation

John E. Rosenthal is practically the male version of Sarah Brady. He is one of the founding members of Stop Handgun Violence, an anti-Second Amendment organization in Massachusetts. Stop Handgun Violence has played a role in making Massachusetts a gun-grabber's paradise. Rosenthal is trying to use AHSA to spread his anti-gun views to other states.

Joseph J. Vince Jr., Board of Directors, AHSA

Joseph J. Vince Jr. retired from the BATFE and is an "expert" with Crime Gun Solutions. He helped write the analysis on the impact of the Clinton assault rifle ban that was used by the Brady Campaign and openly supported its reauthorization. Vince also signed a letter asking the senators to oppose the Protection of Lawful Commerce Act.

Jody Powell, Co-Chairman, AHSA Advisory Board

Jody Powell was President Jimmy Carter's press secretary.

Hopefully their slick site and pro-gun sounding rhetoric won't lure many into joining.

Marlin · 05-16-2007, 10:00 AM

This is a WOLF in sheep's clothing !!!!!!!

This is the LATEST attempt, a tactic we have seen before, to pull the wool over eyes, while stabbing us in the back.

JohnK3 · 05-16-2007, 10:26 AM

This is the anti-gun front organization that John McCain has been involved in.

Make no mistake, they are NOT pro-2nd Amendment. They are a front for rabid anti-freedom zealots.

millwright · 05-18-2007, 06:30 PM

The AHSA is a front organization for VPC. Its rabidly anti-gun. They're just working the "incremental" scam on gun owners. >MW

shooter_tx · 07-09-2007, 12:57 AM

This org is for fudds like the [pre-conversion] Jim Zumbo.

ETA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America...rs_Association

05-16-2007, 04:15 AM	#1
Kentuckian V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 107	American Hunters and Shooters Association? http://www.huntersandshooters.org/ Is it just me, or are these folks not as pro-gun, pro-2nd Amendment as they would have people believe? I browsed through their site, and while some of their views are admittedly pro-gun, many others sound like nothing more than a Brady Bunch talking points memo. Here's some info on the board members, from Gunowners.org: Ray Schoenke, President of AHSA Ray Schoenke played professional football, and was once a candidate for the Governor of Maryland. The AHSA web site states that he is a gun owner, hunter, and that he owns a 300-acre hunting preserve on Maryland's Chesapeake Bay. However, Schoenke has some skeletons in his closet. He has been a strong supporter of numerous anti-Second Amendment candidates. According to Gun Law News, Schoenke has made political donations to Diane Feinstein, Barbara Boxer, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, John Kerry, and Edward Kennedy. Bob "Benedict Arnold" Ricker, Executive Director, AHSA Bob "Benedict Arnold" Ricker once valiantly fought for our Second Amendment rights. The AHSA web site proudly discusses Ricker's pro-Second Amendment activities. He served as the Assistant General Counsel for the NRA, and helped develop the California Rifle and Pistol Association's legislative advocacy program. Early in his career, he made some positive contributions to the fight for our Second Amendment rights. Ricker has since betrayed the NRA and the Second Amendment. Today, the AHSA web site proudly promotes that he negotiated an agreement between the Clinton administration and Smith and Wesson (S&W) concerning a voluntary child safety lock program. The agreement was not just about trigger locks and serial numbers. It also would have severely limited gun sales, required mandatory skill testing prior to purchasing a gun, and required impractical changes to gun design. The agreement also pledged that licensed dealers would refrain from selling semi-automatic rifles, prohibit the sale of guns at gun shows that allow private sells, and require gun dealers to include anti-gun literature with every gun sale. The agreement created a huge controversy in the firearm industry and it eventually led to a boycott of S&W. S&W has since come to their senses, and the agreement is a dark spot in the history of a great company. According to the NRA-ILA, Ricker has also lobbied to further increase gun regulation and to shut down gun shows. With "friends" like Ricker, we don't need enemies. John E. Rosenthal, President, AHSA Foundation John E. Rosenthal is practically the male version of Sarah Brady. He is one of the founding members of Stop Handgun Violence, an anti-Second Amendment organization in Massachusetts. Stop Handgun Violence has played a role in making Massachusetts a gun-grabber's paradise. Rosenthal is trying to use AHSA to spread his anti-gun views to other states. Joseph J. Vince Jr., Board of Directors, AHSA Joseph J. Vince Jr. retired from the BATFE and is an "expert" with Crime Gun Solutions. He helped write the analysis on the impact of the Clinton assault rifle ban that was used by the Brady Campaign and openly supported its reauthorization. Vince also signed a letter asking the senators to oppose the Protection of Lawful Commerce Act. Jody Powell, Co-Chairman, AHSA Advisory Board Jody Powell was President Jimmy Carter's press secretary. Hopefully their slick site and pro-gun sounding rhetoric won't lure many into joining. -->

05-16-2007, 10:00 AM	#2
Marlin TFF Admin Staff Chief Counselor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: At SouthernMoss' side forever! Contributor Posts: 13,853	Re: American Hunters and Shooters Association? This is a WOLF in sheep's clothing !!!!!!! This is the LATEST attempt, a tactic we have seen before, to pull the wool over eyes, while stabbing us in the back. __________________ *The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing.* *The only criminal class native to the United States is Congress.*

05-16-2007, 10:26 AM	#3
JohnK3 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,636	Re: American Hunters and Shooters Association? This is the anti-gun front organization that John McCain has been involved in. Make no mistake, they are NOT pro-2nd Amendment. They are a front for rabid anti-freedom zealots.

05-18-2007, 06:30 PM	#4
millwright Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,440	Re: American Hunters and Shooters Association? The AHSA is a front organization for VPC. Its rabidly anti-gun. They're just working the "incremental" scam on gun owners. >MW

07-09-2007, 12:57 AM	#5
shooter_tx Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Panhandle/West Texas Posts: 11	Re: American Hunters and Shooters Association? This org is for fudds like the [pre-conversion] Jim Zumbo. ETA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America...rs_Association __________________ "How a politician stands on the Second Amendment tells you how he or she views you as an individual.... as a trustworthy and productive citizen, or as part of an unruly crowd that needs to be lorded over, controlled, supervised, and taken care of." -- [Former] State Rep. Suzanna Gratia Hupp (R) of Texas Last edited by shooter_tx; 07-09-2007 at 12:59 AM..