What has happened to my country? HOW do you explain this?! - The Firearms Forum

Pat Hurley · 07-03-2007, 08:40 PM

It's stories like this that make me wonder if our civilization is on course to fully implode. How can this happen?

Marlin... can't the other shoppers be charged with graven indifference?

Kansas Store Video Captures Five Shoppers Stepping Over Dying Stabbing Victim
Tuesday, July 03, 2007

WICHITA, Kan. — As stabbing victim LaShanda Calloway lay dying on the floor of a convenience store, five shoppers, including one who stopped to take a picture of her with a cell phone, stepped over the woman, police said.

The June 23 situation, captured on the store's surveillance video, got scant news coverage until a columnist for The Wichita Eagle disclosed the existence of the video and its contents Tuesday.

Police have refused to release the video, saying it is part of their investigation.

"It was tragic to watch," police spokesman Gordon Bassham said Tuesday. "The fact that people were more interested in taking a picture with a cell phone and shopping for snacks rather than helping this innocent young woman is, frankly, revolting."

The woman was stabbed during an altercation that was not part of a robbery, Bassham said. It took about two minutes for someone to call 911, he said.

Calloway, 27, died later at a hospital.

Two suspects have been arrested. A 19-year-old woman was charged with first-degree murder. Another suspect who turned himself in had not been charged as of Tuesday, the Sedgwick County prosecutor's office said.

The district attorney's office will have to decide whether any of the shoppers could be charged, Bassham said.

It was uncertain what law, if any, would be applicable. A state statute for failure to render aid refers only to victims of a car accident.

Eagle columnist Mark McCormick told The Associated Press he learned about the video when he called Wichita Police Chief Norman Williams to inquire about a phone call he had received from a reader complaining about a Police Department policy that requires emergency medical personnel to wait until police secure a crime scene before rendering aid. McCormick said Williams then unloaded on him about the shoppers in the stabbing case.

"This is just appalling," Williams told the newspaper. "I could continue shopping and not render aid and then take time out to take a picture? That's crazy. What happened to our respect for life?"

Bruce FLinch · 07-03-2007, 10:53 PM

We have reached the Zenith of APATHY!

I'm surprised it was in Kansas & not NYC

Rommelvon · 07-03-2007, 11:22 PM

Our country has become as cold and as uncaring as the dead, although there are still decent folk out there, the numbers dwindle each day......kinda makes me glad I don't have kids

PaulHD883 · 07-04-2007, 12:53 AM

sickening!

358 winchester · 07-04-2007, 08:22 AM

This is a very sad story and the saddest part is that we will be seeing more of this in AMERICA.
every lawyer and politician is to blame people are afraid to get sued.
People just don't care unless it effects them and then they think the world should stop to help.
I have always cared and will always care but then I am a good bit past twenty and have seen many horrible things in my life time, seen some wonderful things as well LIKE THEM BETTER.
Ron

jcwit · 07-04-2007, 10:09 AM

nothing suprises me any more, I hope we wake up soon

Marlin · 07-04-2007, 11:47 AM

I'm afraid, Pat, that there are no statutes that would apply to this type situation, unless enacted relatively recently, ofter I retired in the early nineties.

Morally, one should care enough to assist. The culprit is partially due to what the ATLA members have grown nationwide, but more than that, to the loss of our strong Christian faith and ideals.....

SouthernMoss · 07-04-2007, 03:37 PM

WarSteed · 07-05-2007, 02:29 PM

This is very tragic, how can people even live withselves with such selfishness is beyond me.

travihanson · 07-05-2007, 02:55 PM

wow....

17thfabn · 07-05-2007, 03:59 PM

There was a very famous case back in the 60's where a woman was screaming for help as she was being murdered in the city. No one came to help or even called the police.

I'm sure some one will come along who remebers this case.

22WRF · 07-05-2007, 04:57 PM

1964
Kitty Genovese, was a New York City woman who was stabbed to death near her home in the Kew Gardens section of Queens, New York. The circumstances of her murder and the apparent reaction (or lack thereof) of her neighbors were reported by a newspaper article published two weeks later and prompted investigation into the psychological phenomenon that became known as the bystander effect or "Genovese syndrome."

17thfabn · 07-05-2007, 05:25 PM

Thanks, WRF22 it took less than one hour to get an answear using the "colective wisdom of thefirearmsforum.com".

Light Coat · 07-05-2007, 11:39 PM

I don't go near that part of town for that exact reason. Not without backup.

07-03-2007, 08:40 PM	#1
Pat Hurley Former Guest Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 987	What has happened to my country? HOW do you explain this?! It's stories like this that make me wonder if our civilization is on course to fully implode. How can this happen? Marlin... can't the other shoppers be charged with graven indifference? Kansas Store Video Captures Five Shoppers Stepping Over Dying Stabbing Victim Tuesday, July 03, 2007 WICHITA, Kan. — As stabbing victim LaShanda Calloway lay dying on the floor of a convenience store, five shoppers, including one who stopped to take a picture of her with a cell phone, stepped over the woman, police said. The June 23 situation, captured on the store's surveillance video, got scant news coverage until a columnist for The Wichita Eagle disclosed the existence of the video and its contents Tuesday. Police have refused to release the video, saying it is part of their investigation. "It was tragic to watch," police spokesman Gordon Bassham said Tuesday. "The fact that people were more interested in taking a picture with a cell phone and shopping for snacks rather than helping this innocent young woman is, frankly, revolting." The woman was stabbed during an altercation that was not part of a robbery, Bassham said. It took about two minutes for someone to call 911, he said. Calloway, 27, died later at a hospital. Two suspects have been arrested. A 19-year-old woman was charged with first-degree murder. Another suspect who turned himself in had not been charged as of Tuesday, the Sedgwick County prosecutor's office said. The district attorney's office will have to decide whether any of the shoppers could be charged, Bassham said. It was uncertain what law, if any, would be applicable. A state statute for failure to render aid refers only to victims of a car accident. Eagle columnist Mark McCormick told The Associated Press he learned about the video when he called Wichita Police Chief Norman Williams to inquire about a phone call he had received from a reader complaining about a Police Department policy that requires emergency medical personnel to wait until police secure a crime scene before rendering aid. McCormick said Williams then unloaded on him about the shoppers in the stabbing case. "This is just appalling," Williams told the newspaper. "I could continue shopping and not render aid and then take time out to take a picture? That's crazy. What happened to our respect for life?" -->

07-03-2007, 10:53 PM	#2
Bruce FLinch Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bay Point, Kali..aka Gun Point Posts: 5,016	Re: What has happened to my country? HOW do you explain this?! We have reached the Zenith of APATHY! I'm surprised it was in Kansas & not NYC __________________ A bad day @ the Range, is better than a good day @ work.

07-03-2007, 11:22 PM	#3
Rommelvon Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Goldsboro, NC Posts: 1,452	Re: What has happened to my country? HOW do you explain this?! Our country has become as cold and as uncaring as the dead, although there are still decent folk out there, the numbers dwindle each day......kinda makes me glad I don't have kids __________________ When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. --Thomas Jefferson American By Birth, Southern By The Grace Of God Deo vindice "Duty is the most sublime word in our language. Do your duty in all things. You cannot do more. You should never wish to do less.” Robert E Lee

07-04-2007, 12:53 AM	#4
PaulHD883 Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 48	Re: What has happened to my country? HOW do you explain this?! sickening! __________________ PX4 STORM .40

07-04-2007, 08:22 AM	#5
358 winchester TFF Admin Staff Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Pensacola Fl. area Posts: 7,335	Re: What has happened to my country? HOW do you explain this?! This is a very sad story and the saddest part is that we will be seeing more of this in AMERICA. every lawyer and politician is to blame people are afraid to get sued. People just don't care unless it effects them and then they think the world should stop to help. I have always cared and will always care but then I am a good bit past twenty and have seen many horrible things in my life time, seen some wonderful things as well LIKE THEM BETTER. Ron __________________ Administrator & Owner RangeDay.com Proud, White, Heterosexual, Gun Owning, Southern American, Christian. Any question about where I stand?

07-04-2007, 10:09 AM	#6
jcwit Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 23	Re: What has happened to my country? HOW do you explain this?! nothing suprises me any more, I hope we wake up soon

07-04-2007, 11:47 AM	#7
Marlin TFF Admin Staff Chief Counselor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: At SouthernMoss' side forever! Contributor Posts: 13,853	Re: What has happened to my country? HOW do you explain this?! I'm afraid, Pat, that there are no statutes that would apply to this type situation, unless enacted relatively recently, ofter I retired in the early nineties. Morally, one should care enough to assist. The culprit is partially due to what the ATLA members have grown nationwide, but more than that, to the loss of our strong Christian faith and ideals..... __________________ *The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing.* *The only criminal class native to the United States is Congress.*

07-04-2007, 03:37 PM	#8
SouthernMoss Admin Tech Staff Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: SW MS Contributor Posts: 10,651	Re: What has happened to my country? HOW do you explain this?! __________________ My Second protects your First "I declare to you that woman must not depend upon the protection of man, but must be taught to protect herself, and there I take my stand." - Susan B Anthony

07-05-2007, 02:29 PM	#9
WarSteed V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 188	Re: What has happened to my country? HOW do you explain this?! This is very tragic, how can people even live withselves with such selfishness is beyond me.

07-05-2007, 02:55 PM	#10
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07-05-2007, 03:59 PM	#11
17thfabn Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: North bank of the mighty Ohio River Posts: 847	Re: What has happened to my country? HOW do you explain this?! There was a very famous case back in the 60's where a woman was screaming for help as she was being murdered in the city. No one came to help or even called the police. I'm sure some one will come along who remebers this case. __________________ "Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world!" Albert Einstein "The opportunist thinks of me and today. The statesman thinks of us and tomorrow." Dwight D. Eisenhower, U.S. President & Five Star General. Rock and Roll forever, rap, hip hop and disco never!

07-05-2007, 04:57 PM	#12
22WRF Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pea Ridge, FL Contributor Posts: 4,251	Re: What has happened to my country? HOW do you explain this?! 1964 Kitty Genovese, was a New York City woman who was stabbed to death near her home in the Kew Gardens section of Queens, New York. The circumstances of her murder and the apparent reaction (or lack thereof) of her neighbors were reported by a newspaper article published two weeks later and prompted investigation into the psychological phenomenon that became known as the bystander effect or "Genovese syndrome." __________________ NRA GOA CCRKBA Happiness is a warm barrel

07-05-2007, 05:25 PM	#13
17thfabn Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: North bank of the mighty Ohio River Posts: 847	Re: What has happened to my country? HOW do you explain this?! Thanks, WRF22 it took less than one hour to get an answear using the "colective wisdom of thefirearmsforum.com". __________________ "Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world!" Albert Einstein "The opportunist thinks of me and today. The statesman thinks of us and tomorrow." Dwight D. Eisenhower, U.S. President & Five Star General. Rock and Roll forever, rap, hip hop and disco never!

07-05-2007, 11:39 PM	#14
Light Coat V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Middle of Nowhere, KS Posts: 466	Re: What has happened to my country? HOW do you explain this?! I don't go near that part of town for that exact reason. Not without backup.