Zimmerman Being Charged! - The Firearms Forum

steve4102 · 04-11-2012, 04:49 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...oAT_print.html

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...193845232.html

carver · 04-11-2012, 04:55 PM

Charged with 2nd degree murder!

sting75ray · 04-11-2012, 05:07 PM

What a crock of S**T. The man was defending himself from a damn thug. They only charged him to keep Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton happy. Those two need to be charged with starting the so called RACE riots.

ryan42 · 04-11-2012, 05:07 PM

I liked how she said outside pressure dont enter into it.humbug.

DNIF · 04-11-2012, 05:20 PM

This story will not have a good ending. I can only imagine the kaos when he is aquited.

ka64 · 04-11-2012, 05:22 PM

Lock n Load boys, it's gonna get worse.................

bamajoey · 04-11-2012, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sting75ray

What a crock of S**T. The man was defending himself from a damn thug. They only charged him to keep Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton happy. Those two need to be charged with starting the so called RACE riots.

Actually, these two vultures are probably disappointed. Now they have no reason to stir up trouble. They only profit when they get the natives restless.

norahc · 04-11-2012, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bamajoey

Actually, these two vultures are probably disappointed. Now they have no reason to stir up trouble. They only profit when they get the natives restless.

Sure they do...since they won't get to pick who sits on the jury, they're going to claim racism because they won't get an all black, card carrying New Black Panther Party jury.

Bobitis · 04-11-2012, 05:46 PM

I'd like ta know how they propose to get an impartial jury fer this one.

2nd degree murder? Really?

Bobitis · 04-11-2012, 05:58 PM

Here's how it works in Seattle.

Three young black men (boys) beat our beloved Tuba Man to death. They knowingly, and purposely, beat him to death. They got manslaughter.

http://www.king5.com/news/local/60014807.html

So we have 3 blcak chillen that decide to take the life of a white man waiting fer a bus. They get a pass. We have one hispanic guy defending his life, and he get 2nd degree charges?

This is gonna be a circus. Mark my words, the charge will be argued down to manslaughter, and thrown out. That opens the doors to a civil trial where manslaughter is now the accepted term for self defense.

Double standard? Hell ya.

jlloyd73 · 04-11-2012, 06:00 PM

2nd degree just means they are stupid........they had a shot at manslaughter. I just don't see how they can convict beyond reasonable doubt.

red14 · 04-11-2012, 06:06 PM

He is supposed to be judged by a jury of his ''peers''.

Hmmm

, 12 half-cracker, half-Peruvian?

Ed~ · 04-11-2012, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by red14

He is supposed to be judged by a jury of his ''peers''.
Hmmm

, 12 half-cracker, half-Peruvian?

That's a good one!

jbmid1 · 04-11-2012, 06:28 PM

I think the message from govt. is...you can have your guns, but if you use them to defend yourself, you go to jail.

steve4102 · 04-11-2012, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jbmid1

I think the message from govt. is...you can have your guns, but if you use them to defend yourself, you go to jail.

BINGO! Give that Man a Cigar!!!

Then when the SHTF with this upcoming Bloody Race War most will watch it happen for fear of being charged with Murder.

Most will Stock pile lots of ammo and buy more guns, just to hide them and have them, but not use them. Using them will put your ass in jail or worse.

RunningOnMT · 04-11-2012, 07:02 PM

Mob rule and political correctness 1, Justice 0.

norahc · 04-11-2012, 07:08 PM

Since Zimmerman turned himself into authorities, I wonder if the NBPP is going to honor it's $10,000 reward for his arrest and pay him.

steve4102 · 04-11-2012, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by norahc

Since Zimmerman turned himself into authorities, I wonder if the NBPP is going to honor it's $10,000 reward for his arrest and pay him.

Now That's funny!

armoredman · 04-11-2012, 11:47 PM

He should call them out on it, make them fund his legal defense. Their heads would pop on national TV.

DixieLandMan · 04-12-2012, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ryan42

I liked how she said outside pressure dont enter into it.humbug.

Yeah. I thought the same thing. Of course it did not enter into the arrest and charge.

carver · 04-12-2012, 08:47 AM

Second-degree murder is ordinarily defined as 1) an intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in a reasonable "heat of passion" or 2) a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender's obvious lack of concern for human life. Second-degree murder may best be viewed as the middle ground between first-degree murder and voluntary manslaughter. http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal...efinition.html

Let me see if I have this right. Zimmerman is on the ground, and Martin is on top of him, slaming Zimmerman's head into the pavement, and beating him. Now I'm looking at the definition of 2nd degree murder, and I simply can not find a place for it in this case! It was not intentional, was not premeditated, or planned, nor was it committed in the "heat of passion". So it must be that Zimmerman shot Martin due to dangerous conduct, and that he showed obvious lack for human life! No that don't fit either! Y'all help me out here!

Gun Geezer · 04-12-2012, 10:31 AM

The good news is, Zimmerman may not qualify for the "stand your ground" defense because he arguably followed and provoked Trayvon. That might take some of the pressure off to reverse the law. IMHO Zimmerman will serve some time. They will plead down to some lesser charge, put him away for a while until the public forgets and goes on to the next big racial inequality situation and nothing will have changed. The biggest problem I have with this whole mess, is the part the liberal news media played in taking this to national attention, while having no substantial facts except an anti-gun and gun-law agenda. If any blood is shed as a result of an unpopular verdict, it will be on the hands of the news media and they should be held accountable.

jedwil · 04-12-2012, 10:39 AM

You notice the objectivity of the prosecutors when she states they are seeking "Justice for Travon"?

hogger129 · 04-12-2012, 11:33 AM

The ONLY reason he is being charged is because of pressure from the race-baiters.

dbrodin · 04-12-2012, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Gun Geezer

The good news is, Zimmerman may not qualify for the "stand your ground" defense because he arguably followed and provoked Trayvon. That might take some of the pressure off to reverse the law.

It should, but it won't. They won't let the facts get in the way. This falls into the "letting a good crisis go to waste" category.

04-11-2012, 04:49 PM	#1
steve4102 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Minnesota Contributor Posts: 2,760	Zimmerman Being Charged! http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...oAT_print.html http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...193845232.html --> Last edited by steve4102; 04-11-2012 at 04:50 PM..

04-11-2012, 04:55 PM	#2
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,266	Zimmerman Charged Charged with 2nd degree murder! __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

04-11-2012, 05:07 PM	#3
sting75ray Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,086	Re: Zimmerman Charged What a crock of S**T. The man was defending himself from a damn thug. They only charged him to keep Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton happy. Those two need to be charged with starting the so called RACE riots.

04-11-2012, 05:07 PM	#4
ryan42 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: marion indiana Contributor Posts: 1,549	Re: Zimmerman Charged I liked how she said outside pressure dont enter into it.humbug.

04-11-2012, 05:20 PM	#5
DNIF Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 29	Re: Zimmerman Charged This story will not have a good ending. I can only imagine the kaos when he is aquited.

04-11-2012, 05:22 PM	#6
ka64 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Michigan Contributor Posts: 1,412	Re: Zimmerman Charged Lock n Load boys, it's gonna get worse.................

04-11-2012, 05:46 PM	#9
Bobitis Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,612	Re: Zimmerman Charged I'd like ta know how they propose to get an impartial jury fer this one. 2nd degree murder? Really? __________________ ^.^ A point in every direction is the same as having no point at all Last edited by Bobitis; 04-11-2012 at 05:47 PM..

04-11-2012, 05:58 PM	#10
Bobitis Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,612	Re: Zimmerman Charged Here's how it works in Seattle. Three young black men (boys) beat our beloved Tuba Man to death. They knowingly, and purposely, beat him to death. They got manslaughter. http://www.king5.com/news/local/60014807.html So we have 3 blcak chillen that decide to take the life of a white man waiting fer a bus. They get a pass. We have one hispanic guy defending his life, and he get 2nd degree charges? This is gonna be a circus. Mark my words, the charge will be argued down to manslaughter, and thrown out. That opens the doors to a civil trial where manslaughter is now the accepted term for self defense. Double standard? Hell ya. __________________ ^.^ A point in every direction is the same as having no point at all

04-11-2012, 06:00 PM	#11
jlloyd73 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Contributor Posts: 1,931	Re: Zimmerman Being Charged! 2nd degree just means they are stupid........they had a shot at manslaughter. I just don't see how they can convict beyond reasonable doubt. __________________ --------------------------------------------------- The only thing better than good family is good friends. J and D Lloyd Get ready...it's getting "real" and really fast!

04-11-2012, 06:06 PM	#12
red14 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N FLA Posts: 3,913	Re: Zimmerman Being Charged! He is supposed to be judged by a jury of his ''peers''. Hmmm , 12 half-cracker, half-Peruvian? __________________ I never argue, I state my opinion, and support my position.

04-11-2012, 06:28 PM	#14
jbmid1 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,077	Re: Zimmerman Being Charged! I think the message from govt. is...you can have your guns, but if you use them to defend yourself, you go to jail.

04-11-2012, 07:02 PM	#16
RunningOnMT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Akron, Ohio Contributor Posts: 4,720	Re: Zimmerman Being Charged! Mob rule and political correctness 1, Justice 0. __________________ "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!"

04-11-2012, 11:47 PM	#19
armoredman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Proud to be in Arizona Posts: 1,367	Re: Zimmerman Being Charged! He should call them out on it, make them fund his legal defense. Their heads would pop on national TV.

04-12-2012, 08:47 AM	#21
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,266	Re: Zimmerman Being Charged! Second-degree murder is ordinarily defined as 1) an intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in a reasonable "heat of passion" or 2) a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender's obvious lack of concern for human life. Second-degree murder may best be viewed as the middle ground between first-degree murder and voluntary manslaughter. http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal...efinition.html Let me see if I have this right. Zimmerman is on the ground, and Martin is on top of him, slaming Zimmerman's head into the pavement, and beating him. Now I'm looking at the definition of 2nd degree murder, and I simply can not find a place for it in this case! It was not intentional, was not premeditated, or planned, nor was it committed in the "heat of passion". So it must be that Zimmerman shot Martin due to dangerous conduct, and that he showed obvious lack for human life! No that don't fit either! Y'all help me out here! __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

04-12-2012, 10:31 AM	#22
Gun Geezer Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,710	Re: Zimmerman Being Charged! The good news is, Zimmerman may not qualify for the "stand your ground" defense because he arguably followed and provoked Trayvon. That might take some of the pressure off to reverse the law. IMHO Zimmerman will serve some time. They will plead down to some lesser charge, put him away for a while until the public forgets and goes on to the next big racial inequality situation and nothing will have changed. The biggest problem I have with this whole mess, is the part the liberal news media played in taking this to national attention, while having no substantial facts except an anti-gun and gun-law agenda. If any blood is shed as a result of an unpopular verdict, it will be on the hands of the news media and they should be held accountable.

04-12-2012, 10:39 AM	#23
jedwil Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Texas Hill Country Contributor Posts: 1,922	Re: Zimmerman Being Charged! You notice the objectivity of the prosecutors when she states they are seeking "Justice for Travon"? __________________ "Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom." -- John F. Kennedy

04-12-2012, 11:33 AM	#24
hogger129 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,064	Re: Zimmerman Being Charged! The *ONLY* reason he is being charged is because of pressure from the race-baiters. __________________ Samuel Adams once said, "among the natural rights of the colonists are these: first, a right to life, secondly to liberty, thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can."