Mosin nagant 91/30 bolt.

[RunningOnMT]

Has anyone mounted a scope on one of these and installed a "bent" bolt kit? Is the bolt handle removable or do you have to cut it off? Is this a suitable project for a novice or does it require a gunsmith?

[JLA]

The ATI bolt kit that comes with their mount is easy to install with a good vice, a hacksaw, a drill press and a tap handle. But, it permanently alters the bolt and you have to drill a nice ugly 1/4-20 hole in the side of it.

Here is my recommendation for you...
http://www.angelfire.com/gundam/bolt...ll-safety?i=19

I have personal experience using him and he does fantastic work... heres the thread I did last year... http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?t=59465

[JLA]

BTW, I highly recommend the ring safety, its great with a scope. And the ATI contour (he offers 2 of them) will also work with the rock solid mount (The best mosin mount EVER) found here...http://www.rocksolidind.com/Mosin%20Nagant.html

[RunningOnMT]

Thanks JLA.

[JLA]

yup.

[LDBennett]

My recollection may be a bit wrong but you can get "sniper" version bolt bodies with correctly turned down bolt handles. The bolt body and bolt head are separate pieces and the headspace does not change with a change of the bolt body.

My son-in-law guided me through this exercise and we got the bolt body with a turned down handle at a Gun Show in So. California. I just inspected the bolt body on mine and if it was welded on then the guy does super great work. It looks factory (??).

I recommend against any scope mount that requires drilling and tapping of the receiver unless you let a gunsmith who specializes in Mosin Nagants do the work. The receivers are rather crude and somewhat hard and unless you have a way of locating the holes to be drilled so that the bore is in exact alignment with the mount, the scope may end up way out of alignment with the bore. The receiver surfaces are not necessarily in alignment with the bore centerline (don't ask how I found that out!). There are mounts that use the rear sight bracket with a weaver rail so you can use modern scopes and rings. For a shooter to me that is absolutely OK. These are rather crude guns and I doubt they have much collector value. So if they look wrong, OH WELL.

LDBennett

[JLA]

The rear sight leaf replacement rails i have encountered are rather unstable and too can be 'off' from the bore center line. The rock solid mount and the ATI mount are machined to follow the shape of the reciever (both round and octagonal) an can only go on one way, the reason I like the rock solid is because it uses 3 mounting points instead of 2 like the ATI. I have had experience using both and will soon purchase another rock solid for my finn. IMO ALL of the rear sight leaf replacements I have used are mediocre at best and this includes the S&K which some consider to be pretty decent. The PU russian snipers had their mounts drilled and tapped to the side of the receiver so they cant be that far off...

[RunningOnMT]

$50.00 seems like a very reasonable price for this service, so I'll probably go that route. I still haven't bought the rifle yet but my local shop just got in a case of them and selling for $99.00. Not the best price I've seen but who is going to quibble over $20.00 for an accurate and reliable high power bolt action.

I've wanted either a Remington, Ruger, or Winchester in 30 '06 or .308 for some time now but they've been more than I've been prepared to pay. I figure this is a good alternative. Besides the investment isn't so great that you're afraid to experiment a bit.

One question...Do you have to load rounds one at a time or can stripper clips be used when a scope is mounted?

[LDBennett]

The Russian sniper Mosin Nagant mounts, as far as I know, were one of two types: side mounts and over the bore mounts. (The Mosin Nagants came in Hex receivers and round receivers and I understand either side or top mounts were used with either of the receiver types.) These mounts are available as clones today as well as the two types of clone scopes (supposedly either mount works with either scope, as I remember it).

The one to use is the side mount as it has adjustability. The over the barrel mount, as I stated in my earlier post is problematical due to the lack of the receiver sides and the receiver top being in exact alignment with the bore (special efforts have to be done to keep the mounts in alignment with the bore during the drilling and tapping).

I don't know which modern mounts work best as I erroneously chose to use the clone drill and tap mounts and a clone scope as well, doing the work myself. Some investigation would be required to find the best modern mount. Perhaps one of the above respondents can comment on which is best if they have not already done so, but if any drilling and tapping is required be aware that you can not rely on the receiver body being parallel to the barrel bore.

If the clone mounts are wanted you had better find a Mosin Nagat gunsmith in order to get the scope on the gun aligned to the bore (there are two Mosin Nagant experienced gunsmiths I have heard of who both do good work but may be backed up for months and months). Personally, if I had it to do over again I'd find a way or a mount that did not require drilling and tapping that was sturdy enough for this 30-06 power level Russian 7.62 x 54R cartridge gun. I have no personal knowledge of which modern mount will work best but I do know the clone mounts can be a problem to affix to the Mosin Nagant and get it right. Just take note. That's all I am saying.


LDBennett

[JLA]

Originally Posted by RunningOnMT

$50.00 seems like a very reasonable price for this service, so I'll probably go that route. I still haven't bought the rifle yet but my local shop just got in a case of them and selling for $99.00. Not the best price I've seen but who is going to quibble over $20.00 for an accurate and reliable high power bolt action.

I've wanted either a Remington, Ruger, or Winchester in 30 '06 or .308 for some time now but they've been more than I've been prepared to pay. I figure this is a good alternative. Besides the investment isn't so great that you're afraid to experiment a bit.

One question...Do you have to load rounds one at a time or can stripper clips be used when a scope is mounted?

if the mount is off set or forward of the reciever you can use strippers. but if you want a scope you will likely have to load one by one.

You are opting for the mosin for exactly the same reason i did in the beginning. Thyre are cheap, accurate, reliable, and rugged. what more could you want in a shooter rifle.

[TRAP55]

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http://www.gswagner.com/mosin-nagant/safe/safe.html

http://www.gswagner.com/mosin-nagant/bolt/mnbolt.html