Democracy for Iraq but none for us

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Shizamus
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(3/23/03 2:40:37 pm)
Reply Democracy for Iraq but none for us
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Shuzamus VT.

Edited by: Shizamus at: 3/23/03 3:03:34 pm


TF118
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Posts: 54
(3/24/03 12:30:18 am)
Reply Re: Democracy for Iraq but none for us
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Shiz....what’s NOT diplomatic for us ? Just because a few pacifists are so narrow mined that they only see what they want to see and then distort the facts and then because they have a protest, I suppose that you believe that we should heed this and even though the majority is in favor and support the war some how the majority rules is NOT diplomatic because it isn't your way of thinking.
The majority of the Iraqi people are in favor also...soon they will have their own democratic Gov. thanks to us.
Also...why do you keep putting the Gulf War Veteran web site on your posts? Are you a GWV?... Or implying ?

[Shizamus]

TF118,
I am assuming theres a few service
people here and thought they would
like to know about this website
www.gulfwarvets.com
in case they are not aware of it.

[TF118]

Shiz...ok, no problem with that ...FYI ...there are now new Gulf War forums here on TFF ...let other's know if you would

Messing around with the pay-no-tax crowd will get you a seat with the pay-no-rent crowd. Know what I mean?

Clouder..

[Boomatic]

[kaylan1]

hey clouder, you got to look at the bright side too. You have full access to cable or satalite, a complete weight set and training program, college education, free food, and all this can be yours at the tax payers expense.


where's the spell checker? I think I spelled somethings wrong.

Damn, kaylan, you sound like a guy who's been there. Say it ain't so!

Clouder..

Kaylan1:

Just noticed your location. I owned a the house at 1208 Usher St for about 18 months in 75-76. Did at stint at Carswell.

Clouder..

[Shizamus]

are we missing the point here?


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[TF118]

It is the soldier, not the reporter,

> Who has given us freedom of the press.

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> It is the soldier, not the poet,

> Who has given us freedom of speech.

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> It is the soldier, not the campus organizer,

> Who has given us the freedom to demonstrate.

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It is the soldier,

Who salutes the flag,

Who serves beneath the flag,

And whose coffin is draped by the flag,

Who allows the protester to burn the flag.


by: Father Denis Edward O'Brien, USMC

[Shizamus]

Supposedly we have troops in Iraq to
free the people of Iraq and to put in
a democratic style of government.
And we have a man Irwin Shiff that has had
a book for ten years called the Federal Mafia
that has recently been Banned, and also his
speaking engagements have been Banned
by a judge that has not even read the book !
This has nothing to do with what you believe
or not believe about whether you should or
should not pay an income tax. This is about
FREEDOM in the USA. This adminisration seems
to be worried about freedom outside of our
borders, in the meantime our Freedoms are
on a fast track down the poop shute with
the Fatherland Security act, the Patriot act,
the Patriot act II. Not to mention the bill in
the state of Oregon they are trying to pass.
All under the definition of who could be a
terrorist, life inprisonment for a minor
infraction, or guilty by association etc.
Go read the bill : www.leg.state.or.us/03reg/measures/sb0700.dir/sb0742.intro.html
We should be concerned with this type of
mentality, this is lunacy. If it could happen
there it can happen anywhere. Where is the
outrage about our FREEDOMS. It seems to me
that the more wars we are involved in for
"Freedom" the more Freedoms we lose !

SAVE AMERICA... RE-ELECT NO ONE !

Listen to real talk radio : www.gcnlive.com

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Shizamus VT.

[TF118]

Where do you keep coming up with this ''chicken Little '' syndrome ? Are you listening to commie raidio ?
I will put things into a prospective that any 5th grader can understand ...after that ...oh well...
With all of the demonstrations about war, many of us will encounter
"Peace Activists" who will try to convince us that we must refrain from
retaliating against the ones who terrorized us all on September 11, 2001.

These activists may be alone or in a gathering . . . most of us don't know
how to react to them. When you come upon one of these people, or one
of their rallies, here are the proper rules of etiquette:

1. Listen politely while this person explains their views. Strike up
a conversation if necessary and look very interested in their ideas.
They will tell you how revenge is immoral, and that by attacking the people
who did this to us, we will only bring on more violence. They probably use
many arguments, ranging from political to religious to humanitarian.

2. In the middle of their remarks, without any warning, punch them in
the nose.

3. When the person gets up off of the ground, they will be very angry
and they may try to hit you, so be careful.

4. Very quickly and calmly remind the person that violence only brings
about more violence and remind them of their stand on this matter.
Tell them if they are really committed to a nonviolent approach to
undeserved attacks, they will turn the other cheek and negotiate a
solution. Tell them they must lead by example if they really believe what
they are saying.

5. Most of them will think for a moment and then agree that you are
correct.

6. As soon as they do that, hit them again. Only this time hit them
much harder. Square in the nose.

7. Repeat steps 2-5 until the desired results are obtained and the
idiot realizes how stupid an argument he/she is making.

There is no difference in an individual attacking an unsuspecting
victim, a group of terrorists attacking a nation of people or standing by
while a
tyrant massacres his own people by gassing them to test his biological
warfare. It is unacceptable and must be dealt with. Perhaps at a high
cost. We owe our military a huge debt for what they are about to do
for us and our children.

We must support them and our leaders at times like these. We have no
choice. We either strike back, VERY HARD, or we will keep getting hit
in the nose.

Lesson over!

[Shizamus]

We are not even on the same page.



SAVE AMERICA RE-ELECT NO ONE !

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Shizamus VT.

[TF118]

Shiz ...apparently you miss it ...originally you were wining that you thought somehow that we aren’t being diplomatic regarding going to war with Saddam...last I knew...correct me if I'm wrong ...in a democracy majority rules...and the MAJOR majority was / is in favor...then you made it out that the U.S. was liken to a bully beating up the weakest kid on the block ...refer to the ''Rules of Engagement above ...whats up with that?
Now ya need a road map? If you want to debate your view at least remember what you wrote

[Shizamus]

There is nothing to debate here.
We are still not on the same page.
You must be reading a different post,
and diffrerent subject matter, than
what is in this thread.
Yes and you are right in a Mobocracy
the majority rules. Two wolves and a
sheep voting on who is going to be lunch.

[TF118]

So you think the U.S. & Britton are the wolfs and Saddam is the sheep? I know exactly what this thread is about….you are P.O’ed about the gov’t and somehow you are trying to use that to justify your anti-war BS …you are defending Saddam & his goons and are implying that George W & the American gov’t is a worse evil.
That dog won’t hunt.

[Shizamus]

No i don't think that.
You thought that one up by yourself.
I don't know anyone who is not
P.Oed at the gov.
And i am not defending anyone.

[TF118]

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Originally posted by Shizamus
Two wolves and a
sheep voting on who is going to be lunch.

I guess the big Bully in the neighborhood
also has a moral responsibility to keep
everyone in line, give me a break !
When the strongest nation Bullies other
nations into submission you call that
moral responsibility ? I call it Terrorism !

TERRORISM WILL COME TO YOUR FRONT DOOR
IN A UNIFORM.

Shizamus VT.

Guess you forgot what you said quoted here...''the big bad bully'' implication ...the U.S. GOV'T

''2 wolfs'' ...implication ...U.S. & BRITISH

''Sheep'' ...implication ...Saddam...

''Bullies other nations into submition'' ...implication ...war against Saddoms evil Empire that he rules with intimidation, murder, rape and starvation and also by using chemical warfare agents on civilian population ....if you've been keeping up with the news then add many war crimes ...hiding behind women & children , hiding forward CP's in hospitals, executing POW's etc.

No, I know only too well the 'point '' your trying to make...your against the Gov't and your trying to use the supposed book banning you refer to as a connection somehow to show that its some kind of gov't conspiriosy or some thing ...or because of the book thing you think everything we do is wrong

The only Terrorist anyone here is likely to see on their doorstep will be left wing goose steppers who believe the crap that’s spoon fed to them on their beloved leftwing propaganda machine ...you my friend are one of the sheep in that herd in goose step against everything the U.S. does.

[Shizamus]

You have a right to your viewpoint
like i have the right to my viewpoint.



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