Where is the “Sinner’s Prayer” in the New Testament?

[Skyking]

Where is the “Sinner’s Prayer” in the New Testament?

any thoughts here ?

[RunningOnMT]

Nowhere.

[Double D]

Its in there sort of. See, jesus said that no man comes to the father but thru him. And he also said that anyone who calls on the name of the lord shall be saved. The gospel message is short and simple. You believe that he is the son of god and he was sent to die for our sins and he was crucified and was buried and he rose again on the 3rd day and is alive forever more. So, even though the sinners prayer isnt "scripted", it is made from these truths. Believe these things, accept him as your savior and receive salvation. Its absolutely free and can not be earned in any way, shape or form.

[whymememe]

Originally Posted by Double D

Its in there sort of. See, jesus said that no man comes to the father but thru him. And he also said that anyone who calls on the name of the lord shall be saved. The gospel message is short and simple. You believe that he is the son of god and he was sent to die for our sins and he was crucified and was buried and he rose again on the 3rd day and is alive forever more. So, even though the sinners prayer isnt "scripted", it is made from these truths. Believe these things, accept him as your savior and receive salvation. Its absolutely free and can not be earned in any way, shape or form.

Amen

[Skyking]

Originally Posted by Double D

Its in there sort of. See, jesus said that no man comes to the father but thru him. And he also said that anyone who calls on the name of the lord shall be saved. The gospel message is short and simple. You believe that he is the son of god and he was sent to die for our sins and he was crucified and was buried and he rose again on the 3rd day and is alive forever more. So, even though the sinners prayer isnt "scripted", it is made from these truths. Believe these things, accept him as your savior and receive salvation. Its absolutely free and can not be earned in any way, shape or form.

just sounds kinda canned and it's either scriptural or it isn't is what I'm getting at.
where's the repentance

[Double D]

When you accept Jesus as your lord and savior, you are denouncing the devil. You have just realized you can not do it on your own and you need a savior. You are repenting of your sinful ways and giving yourself to him. In the garden of eden, man was separated from god when he disobeyed him. Because god created man with a choice. But he sent Jesus to reconnect himself with man. Without him, we are separated. By repenting and accepting him, there is a reconnection of the spirit of man and the spirit of god. But, he will never force himself on anyone.

[tcox4freedom]

There is no "sinner's prayer" per se in the Bible. But, we are given instructions on how to be saved as DD already expressed.

There are numerous scriptures from where we get the message about repentance & praying a "sinner's prayer".

Romans 10:9 (HCSB)
9 If you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Job 11:13 (GW)
13 “If you want to set your heart right, then pray to him.

Psalm 32:5 (NASB77)
5 I acknowledged my sin to Thee, And my iniquity I did not hide; I said, " I will confess my transgressions to the LORD"; And Thou didst forgive the guilt of my sin. Selah.

1 John 1:9 (ASV)
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

These are just a few scriptures that point to the importance of a "sinner's prayer". (There are many, MANY others!)

[RunningOnMT]

Originally Posted by Skyking

just sounds kinda canned and it's either scriptural or it isn't is what I'm getting at.
where's the repentance

Canned? I'm not sure what you mean by that. Repentence is all part of accepting Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. If there was no need of repentence there'd be no need of a savior.

Repentence is more than asking forgiveness; it is a sincere desire not to sin again. You can't just say "Okay I believe" or simply repeat the words of some televangelist and be saved. You must be born again. That is recognizing just how sinful you are, who Jesus Christ is, acknowledging that He died for your sins, repenting with the deepest longing of your heart being to serve and obey Him for as long as you live. At that moment the Comforter, that is the Holy Spirit, comes and lives in you, guiding you in all things. You still have your sinful nature because you are human, so you will still fall short at times, but the Spirit is there to remind you and pull you back into obediance.

Repentence requires obedience.

“Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it."

[rosierita]

Originally Posted by tcox4freedom

There is no "sinner's prayer" per se in the Bible. But, we are given instructions on how to be saved as DD already expressed.

There are numerous scriptures from where we get the message about repentance & praying a "sinner's prayer".









These are just a few scriptures that point to the importance of a "sinner's prayer". (There are many, MANY others!)

great verses... i was thinking romans too.

Romans 10
9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

[Skyking]

Originally Posted by tcox4freedom

There is no "sinner's prayer" per se in the Bible.

I do know where there is a sinners prayer in scripture

[RunningOnMT]

Well, there IS this, if it's what you are referring to.

Luke 18:9-14

“He then addressed this parable to those who were convinced of their own righteousness and despised everyone else.

“Two people went up to the temple area to pray;
one was a Pharisee and the other was a tax collector.

The Pharisee took up his position and spoke this prayer to himself, ’O God, I thank you that I am not like the rest of humanity - greedy, dishonest, adulterous – or even like this tax collector.

The Pharisee took up his position and spoke this prayer to himself, ‘O God, I thank you that I am not like the rest of humanity—greedy, dishonest, adulterous—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week, and I pay tithes on my whole income.’

But the tax collector stood off at a distance and would not even raise his eyes to heaven but beat his breast and prayed, ‘O God, be merciful to me a sinner.’
I tell you, the latter went home justified, not the former; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and the one who humbles himself will be exalted.

[tcox4freedom]

Originally Posted by RunningOnMT

Well, there IS this, if it's what you are referring to.

Luke 18:9-14

“He then addressed this parable to those who were convinced of their own righteousness and despised everyone else.

“Two people went up to the temple area to pray;
one was a Pharisee and the other was a tax collector.

The Pharisee took up his position and spoke this prayer to himself, ’O God, I thank you that I am not like the rest of humanity - greedy, dishonest, adulterous – or even like this tax collector.

The Pharisee took up his position and spoke this prayer to himself, ‘O God, I thank you that I am not like the rest of humanity—greedy, dishonest, adulterous—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week, and I pay tithes on my whole income.’

But the tax collector stood off at a distance and would not even raise his eyes to heaven but beat his breast and prayed, ‘O God, be merciful to me a sinner.’
I tell you, the latter went home justified, not the former; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and the one who humbles himself will be exalted.

Yep,
I forgot about that one ROMT.
Excellent example.
Thanks

[tcox4freedom]

Originally Posted by Skyking

I do know where there is a sinners prayer in scripture

Oh yeah SK. There are a whole lot of "sinner's" prayers in the Bible.

[tcox4freedom]

Originally Posted by rosierita

great verses... i was thinking romans too.

Romans 10
9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.

Another GREAT example!

[Python]

Repentance is having a change of heart resulting in a changing of your ways.

[Skyking]

Moses speaking to Yahweh
Exodus 34
9and said, “If, now, I have found favour in Your eyes, O Yahweh, I pray, let Yahweh go on in our midst, even though we are a - stiff-necked people. And forgive our crookedness and our sin, and take us as Your inheritance.”



ever wondered where our heavenly Father tells us who he is and describes himself..?
34 And Yahweh said to Mosheh, “Cut two tablets of stone like the first ones, and I shall write on these tablets the Words that were on the first tablets which you broke. 2“And be ready in the morning. Then you shall come up in the morning to Mount Sinai, and present yourself to Me there on the top of the mountain. 3“And let no man come up with you, and let no man be seen in all the mountain, and let not even the flock or the herd feed in front of that mountain.” 4And he cut two tablets of stone like the first ones. Then Mosheh rose early in the morning and went up Mount Sinai, as Yahweh had commanded him, and he took two tablets of stone in his hand. 5And Yahweh came down in the cloud and stood with him there, and proclaimed the Name, Yahweh. 6And Yahweh passed before him and pro- claimed, “Yahweh, Yahweh, an El compassionate and showing favour, patient, and great in kindness and truth, 7watching over kindness for thousands, forgiving crookedness and transgression and sin, but by no means leaving unpun- ished,p visiting the crookedness of the fathers upon the children and the children’s children to the third and the fourth generation.” 8And Mosheh hurried and bowed him- self toward the earth, and did obeisance, 9and said, “If, now, I have found favour in Your eyes, O Yahweh, I pray, let Yahweh go on in our midst, even though we are a - stiff-necked people. And forgive our crookedness and our sin, and take us as Your inheritance.” 10And He said, “See, I am making a covenant. Before all your people I am going to do wonders such as have not been done in all the earth, nor in any nation. And all the people among whom you are shall see the work of Yahweh. For what I am doing with you is awesome. 11“Guard what I command you today. See, I am driving out from before you the Amorite and the Kena'anite and the Hittite and the Perizzite and the Hiwwite and the Yebusite. 12“Guard yourself, lest you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land where you are going, lest it be a snare in your midst. 13“But break down their altars, and smash their pillars, and cut down their Asherim – 14for you do not bow yourselves to anoth- er mighty one, for Yahweh, whose Name is jealous, is a jealous El – 15lest you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they whore after their mighty ones, and slaughter to their mighty ones, and one of them invites you and you eat of his slaughterings,

[Double D]

Sky, with all due respect, what significance does your post play in the relation to the thread?

[Skyking]

Originally Posted by Skyking

Moses speaking to Yahweh
Exodus 34
9and said, “If, now, I have found favour in Your eyes, O Yahweh, I pray, let Yahweh go on in our midst, even though we are a - stiff-necked people. And forgive our crookedness and our sin, and take us as Your inheritance.”

sure sounds to me like Moses is speaking what we would call a sinners prayer here ...

[Double D]

Ok, I see a connection...

[tcox4freedom]

Moses speaking to Yahweh
Exodus 34
9and said, “If, now, I have found favour in Your eyes, O Yahweh, I pray, let Yahweh go on in our midst, even though we are a - stiff-necked people. And forgive our crookedness and our sin, and take us as Your inheritance.”

Originally Posted by Skyking

sure sounds to me like Moses is speaking what we would call a sinners prayer here ...

Plus 1

The Bible is full of people praying in similar fashion.

[Skyking]

a friend sent me this in response to the question and here is her answer




I think this is the essence of the sinners prayer


“If, now, I have found favour in Your eyes, O Yahweh, I pray, let Yahweh go on in our midst, even though we are a - stiff-necked people. And forgive our crookedness and our sin, and take us as Your inheritance.”


Two of the Amidah ( Standing Prayers ) Prayed in the temple that were written in the 5th Century BC show us the Hebraic understanding of repentance.
Teshuvah ( Turning )

Return us our Father to your Torah , draw us near our King to serve you, restore us in repentance ( turning) complete to your presence . Blessed are you YHVH who desires repentance ( Turning)

http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Pra.../teshuvah.html




Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.



Repentance in the Jewish mind is turning toward Elohim by Torah observance.

The Decree of James in Acts 15 was for Gentiles who were already " Turning " to God.

Act 15:19 "Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God


Teshuvah is the Hebrew word for Turning as the prayer reveals "Return us our Father to your Torah"

The saved Gentiles were already in the process of returning... and would have continued on this path Every Sabbath where they would hear Torah being preached ( Acts 15:21)

Act 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Another prayer is Selichah ( Forgiveness )

This likely was the prayer the " Publican " was making .


Forgive us Our Father for we have sinned , pardon us our King for we have rebelled (Pesha), pardoner and forgiver you are. Blessed are you YHVH the gracious who abundantly forgives.

http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Pra.../selichah.html


The word for rebelled is the Hebrew word Pesha פֶּשַׁע


Strong's H6588 - pesha`
) transgression, rebellion a) transgression (against individuals)
b) transgression (nation against nation)
c) transgression (against God)
1) in general
2) as recognised by sinner
3) as God deals with it
4) as God forgives
d) guilt of transgression
e) punishment for transgression
f) offering for transgression

Psa 32:5 I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid . I said , I will confess my transgressions 6588 unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah.

Pro 28:13 He that covereth his sins 6588 shall not prosper : but whoso confesseth and forsaketh [them] shall have mercy .

Isa 43:25 I, [even] I, [am] he that blotteth out thy transgressions6588 for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.

Isa 44:22 I have blotted out , as a thick cloud, thy transgressions6588, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me (TESHUAVAH); for I have redeemed thee.

Isa 59:20 And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn (TESHUVAH) from transgression (PESHA) 6588 in Jacob, saith the LORD.


The sinners prayer involves a change in direction , one from lawless rebellion to one of compliance and drawing near.

restore us in repentance ( turning) complete to your presence ..

Amen...




You may recall Paul quotes Isa 59:20 in Romans 11:26.

Isa 59:20 And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression 6588 in Jacob, saith the LORD.


Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away (Teshuvah ) ungodliness (PESHA) 763 from Jacob:

The Greek word translated ungodliness is Strong's G763 - asebeia.

Word Origin
from asebés
Definition
ungodliness, impiety
NASB Word Usage
ungodliness (4), ungodly (3).


From the Quoted Hebrew verse we can determine ...Strong's G763 - asebeia ( ungodly ) = Strong's H6588 - pesha` ( transgression )



The Greek translation to English " ungodly" is a little vague . Paul , a rabbi would have been intending the clearer Hebrew understanding of turning away from transgression.

" turn ( Shuv or Teshuvah ) away ungodliness 763 ( Pesha - Transgression ) from Jacob: "


What does all that have to do with the sinners prayer ... well for you to Turn away from sin , you have to know what sin is .


John 3:4 makes it very clear , sin is a transgression of the law.


1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Just consenting to the the law opens a door for mercy and forgiveness, it's when we say we have no sin that we make God a liar, but if we confess our sins God is just to forgive us.

That word Strong's G763 - asebeia equates to Rebellion from God's law or trespasses.

The root word is Strong's G765. asebés
Original Word: ἀσεβής, ές
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: asebés
Phonetic Spelling: (as-eb-ace')
Short Definition: impious, ungodly, wicked
Definition: impious, ungodly, wicked.

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness ( Transgression ) 763 and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

If we prohibit ( hold back) the truth (i.e Torah) and continue in willful lawless transgression of Torah , we will experience the wrath of God.

Jud 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

Jud 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Every Word mentioning "ungodly " has it's root in G765. asebés --PESHA lawless rebellion trespass .. or wicked.


The "a" is the opposite of sebés , so where do we find this word "sebés " and what does it mean. It should be the opposite of"lawless rebellion."

G4576. sebó
sebó: to worship
Original Word: σέβομαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: sebó
Phonetic Spelling: (seb'-om-ahee)
Short Definition: I reverence, worship
Definition: I reverence, worship, adore.

Howbeit in vain do they worship G4576. me teaching for doctrines the commandments of men



Worship is reverence and fear of God , and Keeping his commandments.

Ecc 12:13 ¶ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man.


You see not fearing God is living in lawlessness rebellion , fearing him is keeping his commandments.


Vain Worship is keeping the precepts of men rather than the commandments of God.


We show our fear (awesome respect) of God , by loving him and keeping his commandments.

Jhn 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Return us our Father to your Torah , draw us near our King to serve you, restore us in repentance ( turning) complete to your presence . Blessed are you YHVH who desires repentance ( Turning)