GOA Notice / HR 5175 - The Firearms Forum

Marlin T · 06-08-2010, 10:51 PM

Obama Moves to Silence Gun Groups and Other Political Opponents
-- Bill clears committee hurdle, going to the House floor soon

Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert
8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408
http://www.gunowners.org

Tuesday, June 8, 2010

Fresh from his efforts to seize government control of the health services sector (ObamaCare) and the financial markets ("finance reform"), Barack Obama has a new priority: silence his political opposition.

As satisfying as it was for Obama to seize control of one-sixth of the economy, he has had to suffer protest from the "little people" (like us). So he is pushing the Orwellian "DISCLOSE" bill (HR 5175) to make sure gun groups and other pro-freedom forces cannot mobilize their members in the upcoming elections.

When Obama says "disclose," what he really means is "disclose gun group membership lists"

Not surprisingly, these efforts to shut down free speech don't apply to Obama allies, like Democratic-leaning labor unions. They only apply to groups which are not reliable Obama allies, like Gun Owners of America.

But, for those groups whose free speech is targeted for Obama's wrath under this bill, the consequences are severe:

* Under Title II of the bill, GOA (and other groups, as well as many bloggers) who merely mention public officials within 60 days of an election could be required to file onerous disclosures -- potentially including their membership lists.

* Also under Title II, GOA could be required to spend as much as half of the time of a 30-second ad on government-written disclosures.

* In addition, Sections 201 through 203 would potentially put the government's snooping eyes on any American who voices a political opinion, despite the fact that the Supreme Court, in Buckley v. Valeo, declared that Americans have a right to voice their opinion to an unlimited extent, if unconnected with a political campaign.

Here's an idea: If Obama is so irritated at the Supreme Court's defense of political free speech by groups like GOA, why doesn't he apply his sleazy new rules to his political allies, as well?

ACTION: Please urge your congressman to vote against the anti-gun HR 5175. This bill has moved out of committee and has now been placed on the House calendar.

You can use the Gun Owners Legislative Action Center at http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm to send a pre-written message to your Representative.

Zane71464 · 06-09-2010, 02:26 AM

Sent.
Thanks for the post!

Trouble 45-70 · 06-09-2010, 12:04 PM

Thanks for the heads up. Done.

zkovach · 06-09-2010, 01:41 PM

email sent! Thanks!

zkovach · 06-09-2010, 01:47 PM

Saw this on another post. think it rings true here!

“You know why there’s a second amendment? In case the government doesn’t obey the first one.”
— Rush Limbaugh, August 17, 1993

wpage · 06-09-2010, 05:05 PM

All this link showed for me was voting records.
OOps wrong link...

Got it Thanks!

don w · 06-10-2010, 07:16 AM

sent. thanks for the heads up.

45nut · 06-10-2010, 07:53 AM

Sent to my Representative and e-mail list.

bcj1755 · 06-10-2010, 09:51 AM

Done.

bcj1755 · 06-10-2010, 06:15 PM

I was thinking about this today. I think this is some of Cass Sunstein's influence. They aren't actually taking away your right to free speech, they're just "regulating" it. Remember, Sunstein wrote a book about how to get people to obey the will of the govt by "nudging" them in the right direction, so that people will choose to limit their rights of their own free will

rentalguy1 · 06-10-2010, 09:28 PM

Borrowing this for another forum I belong to. I would write to my Congress critters, but they are on the correct side of the aisle on 99% of stuff.

dge479 · 06-24-2010, 06:14 PM

Well it seems to have passed in the House, My rep did whats right but, not enough did.
I will be wasting my time, but will call the 2 morons I have for senators in NJ. It is sickening what is happening to this nation and at what speed.

06-08-2010, 10:51 PM	#1
Marlin T Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New Mexico Posts: 7,857	GOA Notice / HR 5175 Obama Moves to Silence Gun Groups and Other Political Opponents -- Bill clears committee hurdle, going to the House floor soon Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert 8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151 Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408 http://www.gunowners.org Tuesday, June 8, 2010 Fresh from his efforts to seize government control of the health services sector (ObamaCare) and the financial markets ("finance reform"), Barack Obama has a new priority: silence his political opposition. As satisfying as it was for Obama to seize control of one-sixth of the economy, he has had to suffer protest from the "little people" (like us). So he is pushing the Orwellian "DISCLOSE" bill (HR 5175) to make sure gun groups and other pro-freedom forces cannot mobilize their members in the upcoming elections. When Obama says "disclose," what he really means is "disclose gun group membership lists" Not surprisingly, these efforts to shut down free speech don't apply to Obama allies, like Democratic-leaning labor unions. They only apply to groups which are not reliable Obama allies, like Gun Owners of America. But, for those groups whose free speech is targeted for Obama's wrath under this bill, the consequences are severe: * Under Title II of the bill, GOA (and other groups, as well as many bloggers) who merely mention public officials within 60 days of an election could be required to file onerous disclosures -- potentially including their membership lists. * Also under Title II, GOA could be required to spend as much as half of the time of a 30-second ad on government-written disclosures. * In addition, Sections 201 through 203 would potentially put the government's snooping eyes on any American who voices a political opinion, despite the fact that the Supreme Court, in Buckley v. Valeo, declared that Americans have a right to voice their opinion to an unlimited extent, if unconnected with a political campaign. Here's an idea: If Obama is so irritated at the Supreme Court's defense of political free speech by groups like GOA, why doesn't he apply his sleazy new rules to his political allies, as well? ACTION: Please urge your congressman to vote against the anti-gun HR 5175. This bill has moved out of committee and has now been placed on the House calendar. You can use the Gun Owners Legislative Action Center at http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm to send a pre-written message to your Representative. __________________ "But the simple truth--born of experience--is that tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people." Judge Alex Kozinski - United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government. - Thomas Paine Did you read todays GOOD shooting? >>>KEEPANDBEARARMS.COM <<< -->

06-09-2010, 02:26 AM	#2
Zane71464 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Ohio NRA Member Contributor Posts: 5,352	Re: GOA Notice / HR 5175 Sent. Thanks for the post! __________________ Two Words; "Simple Man", song by Charlie Daniels sums up my thoughts on a "few things"!

06-09-2010, 12:04 PM	#3
Trouble 45-70 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NE Ar. W. of Black River Contributor Posts: 2,703	Re: GOA Notice / HR 5175 Thanks for the heads up. Done. __________________ Psalm 12 verse 8: The wicked walk on every side when the vilest men are exalted.

06-09-2010, 01:41 PM	#4
zkovach Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,005	Re: GOA Notice / HR 5175 email sent! Thanks! __________________ Liberalism: Poverty for ALL!!

06-09-2010, 01:47 PM	#5
zkovach Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,005	Re: GOA Notice / HR 5175 Saw this on another post. think it rings true here! “You know why there’s a second amendment? In case the government doesn’t obey the first one.” — Rush Limbaugh, August 17, 1993 __________________ Liberalism: Poverty for ALL!!

06-09-2010, 05:05 PM	#6
wpage Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,471	Re: GOA Notice / HR 5175 All this link showed for me was voting records. OOps wrong link... Got it Thanks! __________________ "You shall recieve power" Acts 1:8 W Last edited by wpage; 06-10-2010 at 11:13 AM..

06-10-2010, 07:16 AM	#7
don w Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N. Virginia Posts: 5	Re: GOA Notice / HR 5175 sent. thanks for the heads up.

06-10-2010, 07:53 AM	#8
45nut Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,428	Re: GOA Notice / HR 5175 Sent to my Representative *and* e-mail list. __________________ A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that. Shane Nemo me impune lacesset We recall the case of the Shoshone war band which showed up complete with one 30-30 rifle per man the week after Pearl Harbor, and simply wanted to have the enemy pointed out to them. "We hear there's a war going on and we want to go fight it." Jeff Cooper *KCCO*

06-10-2010, 09:51 AM	#9
bcj1755 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: A wretched hive of scum and villiany Posts: 4,357	Re: GOA Notice / HR 5175 Done. __________________ History is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace, and revolution continue on forever. Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges - Cicero If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. - Samuel Adams

06-10-2010, 06:15 PM	#10
bcj1755 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: A wretched hive of scum and villiany Posts: 4,357	Re: GOA Notice / HR 5175 I was thinking about this today. I think this is some of Cass Sunstein's influence. They aren't actually taking away your right to free speech, they're just "regulating" it. Remember, Sunstein wrote a book about how to get people to obey the will of the govt by "nudging" them in the right direction, so that people will choose to limit their rights of their own free will __________________ History is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace, and revolution continue on forever. Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges - Cicero If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. - Samuel Adams

06-10-2010, 09:28 PM	#11
rentalguy1 Former Guest Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: The mountains of NE TN. Posts: 884	Re: GOA Notice / HR 5175 Borrowing this for another forum I belong to. I would write to my Congress critters, but they are on the correct side of the aisle on 99% of stuff.

06-24-2010, 06:14 PM	#12
dge479 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Haskell NJ Posts: 618	Re: GOA Notice / HR 5175 Well it seems to have passed in the House, My rep did whats right but, not enough did. I will be wasting my time, but will call the 2 morons I have for senators in NJ. It is sickening what is happening to this nation and at what speed. __________________ Proud GOA and NRA member. Old Mopars and Guns, About as good as it gets. Guns Dont Kill, Socialized Healthcare does