1933 Walther PPK - never been fired - The Firearms Forum

Welshdog · 01-05-2011, 05:06 PM

I have my dad's 1933 Walther PPK, brought back after the war. It's in the original cardboard box with the German stamps on it. The original instruction publication (in German) is in the box. I also have the original tally sheet from the war department showing it was returned to the US on September 5, 1945. I don't believe the gun has ever been fired. How do I go about finding out its true value to a collector?

Welshdog · 01-05-2011, 05:14 PM

The serial number on this gun is 326760P if that helps.

TheGunClinger · 01-05-2011, 05:16 PM

Posting good pics would be the first step.

kalisgems · 01-05-2011, 05:21 PM

Now you have my attention. That is my favorite gun...especially the stainless.

SSMN · 01-05-2011, 05:58 PM

If your serial number is correct it is a Walther PP, not PPK. Its production date is 1944.

wonderwhippet · 01-05-2011, 06:03 PM

We need some good clear photos showing all markings. Include the box and all accessories.

deadin · 01-05-2011, 08:06 PM

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That is my favorite gun...especially the stainless.

Don't believe there were any stainless that early. They were steel and a small number made in an early Duraluminum. (Mainly highly engraved presentation pieces.)

Welshdog · 01-05-2011, 08:16 PM

OK - my wife's got the camera with her, I'll post some photos tomorrow. thanks for your interest.

kalisgems · 01-05-2011, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by deadin

Don't believe there were any stainless that early. They were steel and a small number made in an early Duraluminum. (Mainly highly engraved presentation pieces.)

Sounds right to me. I wasn't really considering the year . Just thinking about the one I let go...

Welshdog · 01-06-2011, 08:58 AM

Hmm - apparently I can only attach 4 pictures as files. Let me know if any other photos are needed.

I didn't even know my dad owned this gun until my mother passed away and it was in her storage trunk. My uncle was an infantryman and gave my dad a box of Remmington shells for Christmas so he could shoot the pistol. I have that box with the Christmas tag and it still has 50 shells in it. Hence my belief that the gun hasn't ever been fired except maybe at the factory. There isn't a scratch on it.

hrf · 01-06-2011, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Welshdog

I also have the original tally sheet from the war department showing it was returned to the US on September 5, 1945.

?? - The tally sheet you show is for a .45 with holster.

SSMN · 01-06-2011, 10:54 AM

Your gun will have Eagle over N proof marks on barrel, frame and slide. Left side of the slide will have the Walther logo and other factory data. Are there any other marks, numbers etc. on the frame , slide or magazine base?

Welshdog · 01-06-2011, 01:45 PM

I don't have the holster - don't know where it went.

On the left side of the slide:

Walther logo Waffenfabrik Walther, ZellaMehlis (Thur)
Walther's Patent Cal. 7,65 m/m Mod. PP

On the right side of the slide:

Just the two eagles one above the other on the slide and in the slide opening. There is no letter N. The serial number is on the slide and also in back of the trigger mechanism.

Both grips have the Walther logo on them

Welshdog · 01-06-2011, 01:55 PM

Here is a better picture of the right side of the gun where you can see the eagles, etc

Welshdog · 01-06-2011, 01:58 PM

I had not noticed that the tally sheet says 45 cal. Must have been a mistake by whoever wrote the tally sheet as it was in the box with this gun and my uncle who is still alive says this is the only gun my dad brought back from the war.

kx1a · 01-06-2011, 04:25 PM

I believe that you will find that the Tally Sheet Incoming is a receipt given to the soldier for turning in his .45 sidearm, holster, and mag pouch to an armory/quartermaster? following the end of hostilities. It has nothing to do with the PP. The Walther box was probably a convenient place to keep the receipt for safe keeping.
Bill W

BETH · 01-06-2011, 04:28 PM

Welcome kx1a glad to see another person from Ct.

RJay · 01-06-2011, 05:29 PM

Kx1a is correct, that receipt has nothing to do with the Walther PP.

Airdale · 01-06-2011, 06:31 PM

Please, someone help this guy out and give him an estimate of the PPs worth.

Ya'll asked for pics, he supplied 'em. I know zip about Walthers and the curiosity is killing me. It looks pretty pristine to my old eyes.

BETH · 01-06-2011, 07:39 PM

so how much is gun worth?

RJay · 01-06-2011, 08:29 PM

Well, don't know. I think this is one that was put together at the wars end becasue of the lack of proper proof marks ( in my thinking that should add to the appeal.). It's in like new condition, comm. model. ( at least it has no police or military markings ), every thing looks proper to my untrained eye. I would say 6 to 7 hundred. Others may be more current on these guns.

BETH · 01-06-2011, 09:28 PM

That much?

Danny · 01-06-2011, 09:49 PM

Lets start off with the pistol first. It is in great condition for a late war PP. Chuck up 1400 for it. Then add 75 dollars for the cleaning rod & another 250 for the booklet. Then the biggest asset would be the numbered box, which you do not see many in the wartime pistols and if you do, they do not match. The small oil bottle & cotton is missing, that goes in a cleaning tin hurts the value some , so keep a search on all the auction sites for one, to get the rig complete.
Also a wartime holster would be nice. All in all you have about a 2 thousand dollar set.
A WW2 collector of 1911a's would probably give ya 25-30 dollars for the authentic tally sheet. Just keep the pistol cleaned & oiled and it will only go up in price. Hope this helps you some?
Kindest Regards
Danny

RJay · 01-06-2011, 10:12 PM

I wouldn't pay that much, but there you have it from someone who is more current on Walther prices. Everything WWII is going up, every one wants a peice of the " Greatest Generatiuon ".

SSMN · 01-06-2011, 10:15 PM

Danny,
Once again I believe that you are way over inflating your value estimate. Here is a wartime high polish which is complete with all accessories and it is valued at a little over $2,000 at most. These are not that uncommon and the mil finished variety are less in demand.

01-05-2011, 05:06 PM	#1
Welshdog Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 8	1933 Walther PPK - never been fired I have my dad's 1933 Walther PPK, brought back after the war. It's in the original cardboard box with the German stamps on it. The original instruction publication (in German) is in the box. I also have the original tally sheet from the war department showing it was returned to the US on September 5, 1945. I don't believe the gun has ever been fired. How do I go about finding out its true value to a collector? -->

01-05-2011, 05:14 PM	#2
Welshdog Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 8	Re: 1933 Walther PPK - never been fired The serial number on this gun is 326760P if that helps.

01-05-2011, 05:16 PM	#3
TheGunClinger Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: SW Florida Contributor Posts: 2,382	Re: 1933 Walther PPK - never been fired Posting good pics would be the first step. __________________ New England Patriots Rule Next year.

01-05-2011, 05:21 PM	#4
kalisgems Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Georgia Posts: 49	Re: 1933 Walther PPK - never been fired Now you have my attention. That is my favorite gun...especially the stainless.

01-05-2011, 05:58 PM	#5
SSMN Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Ely, Minnesota Posts: 507	Re: 1933 Walther PPK - never been fired If your serial number is correct it is a Walther PP, not PPK. Its production date is 1944.

01-05-2011, 06:03 PM	#6
wonderwhippet Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,585	Re: 1933 Walther PPK - never been fired We need some good clear photos showing all markings. Include the box and all accessories.

01-05-2011, 08:16 PM	#8
Welshdog Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 8	Re: 1933 Walther PPK - never been fired OK - my wife's got the camera with her, I'll post some photos tomorrow. thanks for your interest.

01-06-2011, 08:58 AM	#10
Welshdog Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 8	Re: 1933 Walther PPK - never been fired Hmm - apparently I can only attach 4 pictures as files. Let me know if any other photos are needed. I didn't even know my dad owned this gun until my mother passed away and it was in her storage trunk. My uncle was an infantryman and gave my dad a box of Remmington shells for Christmas so he could shoot the pistol. I have that box with the Christmas tag and it still has 50 shells in it. Hence my belief that the gun hasn't ever been fired except maybe at the factory. There isn't a scratch on it. Attached Images

01-06-2011, 10:54 AM	#12
SSMN Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Ely, Minnesota Posts: 507	Re: 1933 Walther PPK - never been fired Your gun will have Eagle over N proof marks on barrel, frame and slide. Left side of the slide will have the Walther logo and other factory data. Are there any other marks, numbers etc. on the frame , slide or magazine base?

01-06-2011, 01:45 PM	#13
Welshdog Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 8	Re: 1933 Walther PPK - never been fired I don't have the holster - don't know where it went. On the left side of the slide: Walther logo Waffenfabrik Walther, ZellaMehlis (Thur) Walther's Patent Cal. 7,65 m/m Mod. PP On the right side of the slide: Just the two eagles one above the other on the slide and in the slide opening. There is no letter N. The serial number is on the slide and also in back of the trigger mechanism. Both grips have the Walther logo on them

01-06-2011, 01:55 PM	#14
Welshdog Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 8	Re: 1933 Walther PPK - never been fired Here is a better picture of the right side of the gun where you can see the eagles, etc Attached Images

01-06-2011, 01:58 PM	#15
Welshdog Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 8	Re: 1933 Walther PPK - never been fired I had not noticed that the tally sheet says 45 cal. Must have been a mistake by whoever wrote the tally sheet as it was in the box with this gun and my uncle who is still alive says this is the only gun my dad brought back from the war. Last edited by Welshdog; 01-06-2011 at 08:54 PM.. Reason: misspelling

01-06-2011, 04:25 PM	#16
kx1a V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: CT Posts: 55	Re: 1933 Walther PPK - never been fired I believe that you will find that the Tally Sheet Incoming is a receipt given to the soldier for turning in his .45 sidearm, holster, and mag pouch to an armory/quartermaster? following the end of hostilities. It has nothing to do with the PP. The Walther box was probably a convenient place to keep the receipt for safe keeping. Bill W

01-06-2011, 04:28 PM	#17
BETH Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: naugatuck,Ct. Contributor Posts: 6,677	Re: 1933 Walther PPK - never been fired Welcome kx1a glad to see another person from Ct.

01-06-2011, 05:29 PM	#18
RJay Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 3,487	Re: 1933 Walther PPK - never been fired Kx1a is correct, that receipt has nothing to do with the Walther PP. __________________ RonJames

01-06-2011, 06:31 PM	#19
Airdale Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: N.W. Arkansas Contributor Posts: 750	Re: 1933 Walther PPK - never been fired Please, someone help this guy out and give him an estimate of the PPs worth. Ya'll asked for pics, he supplied 'em. I know zip about Walthers and the curiosity is killing me. It looks pretty pristine to my old eyes. __________________ "The Utopian schemes of leveling [redistribution of the wealth] and a community of goods [central ownership of the means of production and distribution], are as visionary and impractical as those which vest all property in the crown.[These ideas] are arbitrary, despotic, and, in our government, unconstitutional." Samuel Adams

01-06-2011, 07:39 PM	#20
BETH Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: naugatuck,Ct. Contributor Posts: 6,677	Re: 1933 Walther PPK - never been fired so how much is gun worth?

01-06-2011, 08:29 PM	#21
RJay Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 3,487	Re: 1933 Walther PPK - never been fired Well, don't know. I think this is one that was put together at the wars end becasue of the lack of proper proof marks ( in my thinking that should add to the appeal.). It's in like new condition, comm. model. ( at least it has no police or military markings ), every thing looks proper to my untrained eye. I would say 6 to 7 hundred. Others may be more current on these guns. __________________ RonJames Last edited by RJay; 01-06-2011 at 08:31 PM..

01-06-2011, 09:28 PM	#22
BETH Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: naugatuck,Ct. Contributor Posts: 6,677	Re: 1933 Walther PPK - never been fired That much?

01-06-2011, 09:49 PM	#23
Danny Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: West Va Contributor Posts: 594	Re: 1933 Walther PPK - never been fired Lets start off with the pistol first. It is in great condition for a late war PP. Chuck up 1400 for it. Then add 75 dollars for the cleaning rod & another 250 for the booklet. Then the biggest asset would be the numbered box, which you do not see many in the wartime pistols and if you do, they do not match. The small oil bottle & cotton is missing, that goes in a cleaning tin hurts the value some , so keep a search on all the auction sites for one, to get the rig complete. Also a wartime holster would be nice. All in all you have about a 2 thousand dollar set. A WW2 collector of 1911a's would probably give ya 25-30 dollars for the authentic tally sheet. Just keep the pistol cleaned & oiled and it will only go up in price. Hope this helps you some? Kindest Regards Danny __________________ THE GUN HAS PLAYED A CRITICAL ROLE IN HISTORY. AN INVENTION WHICH HAS BEEN PRAISED & DENOUNCED...SERVED HERO & VILLAIN ALIKE...AND CARRIES WITH IT MORAL RESPONSIBILITY...TO UNDERSTAND THE GUN IS TO BETTER UNDERSTAND HISTORY.

01-06-2011, 10:12 PM	#24
RJay Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 3,487	Re: 1933 Walther PPK - never been fired I wouldn't pay that much, but there you have it from someone who is more current on Walther prices. Everything WWII is going up, every one wants a peice of the " Greatest Generatiuon ". __________________ RonJames

01-06-2011, 10:15 PM	#25
SSMN Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Ely, Minnesota Posts: 507	Re: 1933 Walther PPK - never been fired Danny, Once again I believe that you are way over inflating your value estimate. Here is a wartime high polish which is complete with all accessories and it is valued at a little over $2,000 at most. These are not that uncommon and the mil finished variety are less in demand. Attached Images