ok who here knows what a Haka is ?? - The Firearms Forum

jack404 · 12-07-2011, 07:03 PM

educate the cops will ya's ??

no need for special training just show em on Youtube and save the $$ ( and educate folks at the same time)

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/police-c...208-1ok5s.html

SALT LAKE CITY: Police in the small Utah town of Roosevelt who used pepper spray and batons on spectators performing the haka at a high school American football game, have been cleared of wrongdoing.
It was the first time the police had seen New Zealand's native Maori challenge performed and took action against the fans, including a dozen people from a single family, one aged 4.
An investigation by the police of Roosevelt, 230 kilometres east of Salt Lake City, cleared their own officers of misconduct in the October incident and said their actions were appropriate because they feared a riot was imminent.
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But the Utah branch of the American Civil Liberties Union said the police report was "anything but objective" in a letter sent this week to Duchesne County Attorney Stephen Foote.
The ACLU was concerned that the decision to pepper spray during a cultural ritual may have violated the spectators' constitutional rights, wrote interim director Joseph Cohn.
He also noted that the police failed to consider a video of the haka or statements from 15 witnesses who said they did not feel threatened by the performance.
A haka, which usually lasts less than a minute, has been performed by New Zealand rugby teams as a pre-match challenge for more than 120 years around the world.
The haka has spread to at least a dozen American football teams at US high schools, especially those with large numbers of Polynesians.
On October 20, one Polynesian family drove 200 kilometres to Roosevelt to watch a relative play his final game for Union High School.
Union lost to finish the season winless. To cheer up the team, a group of Polynesian men and boys performed a haka.
Officer Luke Stradinger, who deployed pepper spray, apologised in the police report for causing "discomfort" to innocent bystanders, but said he wasn't familiar with the haka and was concerned because the group was blocking the only exit from the field for the teams.
"I have never seen such an event, or even heard of such a thing," Stradinger said.
Officer Wade Butterfield, who used a baton to disperse the group, said he became worried during the game because some of the people were yelling obscenities at the referees and acting in an unsportsmanlike manner.
"I have seen a riot firsthand and know how dangerous they can be in an instant," Butterfield said.
"No more force was used than was necessary to defuse the situation."
Roosevelt police said officers will be given additional training in cultural diversity and customs.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/police-c...#ixzz1fttci8jD

jack404 · 12-07-2011, 07:05 PM

Kikiki kakaka kauana!
Kei waniwania taku tara
Kei tarawahia, kei te rua i te kerokero!
He pounga rahui te uira ka rarapa;
Ketekete kau ana to peru kairiri
Mau au e koro e – Hi! Ha!

Ka mate, ka mate! ka ora! ka ora!
Ka mate! ka mate! ka ora! ka ora!
Tēnei te tangata pūhuruhuru
Nāna nei i tiki mai whakawhiti te rā
Ā, upane! ka upane!
Ā, upane, ka upane, whiti te ra!
Ka wehi au ka matakana,
Ko wai te tangata kia rere ure?
Tirohanga ngā rua rerarera
Ngā rua kuri kakanui i raro! Aha ha!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rDoV...eature=related

HunterAlpha1 · 12-07-2011, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jack404

Kikiki kakaka kauana!
Kei waniwania taku tara
Kei tarawahia, kei te rua i te kerokero!
He pounga rahui te uira ka rarapa;
Ketekete kau ana to peru kairiri
Mau au e koro e – Hi! Ha!

Ka mate, ka mate! ka ora! ka ora!
Ka mate! ka mate! ka ora! ka ora!
Tēnei te tangata pūhuruhuru
Nāna nei i tiki mai whakawhiti te rā
Ā, upane! ka upane!
Ā, upane, ka upane, whiti te ra!
Ka wehi au ka matakana,
Ko wai te tangata kia rere ure?
Tirohanga ngā rua rerarera
Ngā rua kuri kakanui i raro! Aha ha!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rDoV...eature=related

i'm guessing that the haka at the football game wasn't as well organized as the one in the video

hkruss · 12-07-2011, 09:10 PM

The Maori's are some fearsome looking dudes!

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jack404 · 12-07-2011, 09:27 PM

thats just there way of saying welcome and reminding you there are rules and penalties for breaking them

whymememe · 12-07-2011, 09:45 PM

Culture clash. Those guys have a menacing appearance. I quess the cops should have had a little warning before hand. Cops are kinda jumpee these days anyway.

jlloyd73 · 12-07-2011, 09:50 PM

I thought a Haka was one of those little balls you try to bounce off you feet for a long time........LOL

Country101 · 12-08-2011, 03:51 AM

The NZ Rugby team does a mean one. I've actually got that saved on my computer at the house. They get a little intense. I'd still say it seems they used unnecessary force, but I was not there. A few words would have done a lot better.

carver · 12-08-2011, 07:30 AM

You would think an apology at least, was in order here!

The translation below isn't the same as the Haka Jack posted, but it works!
http://crashtacklerugbygame.com/nati...l-rugby-anthem

Ka mate Ka mate (It is death It is death)

Ka ora Ka ora (It is life It is life)

Ka mate Ka mate (It is death It is death)

Ka ora Ka ora (It is life It is life)

Tenei Te Tangata Puhuruhuru (This is the hairy man )

Nana i tiki mai whakawhiti te ra (Who caused the sun to shine again for me )

Upane Upane (Up the ladder Up the ladder )

Upane Kaupane (Up to the top )

Whiti te ra (The sun shines!)

jack404 · 12-08-2011, 07:39 AM

yeah truye eh , but i'm a traditionalist when it comes to the Aotearoans ( New Zealanders )

aotearoa means land of the long white cloud ( their own name for the joint )

jedwil · 12-08-2011, 08:33 PM

Never heard of it before. I like it, gets the spirit moving....

al45lc · 12-09-2011, 09:14 AM

Cultural respect and understanding goes both ways, one doesn't perform rituals in some elses home or on their turf without first asking permission.
Why is it that WE Americans must always be the ones who should 'understand"?

Alpo · 12-09-2011, 10:10 AM

It's a war chant/cry/dance, ain't it? "We're the biggest baddest mothers around, and we're gonna kick some ass"?

Why is anyone upset that people responded like it was a threat?

I watched the video. There you are. Two cops standing at the sidelines, watching the game. Hear a noise. Turn around and there are a dozen or so great big guys, crouched down, snarling, yelling something scary sounding in a foreign language.

Damn. Riot.

They're lucky all they got was pepper-sprayed.

jack404 · 12-09-2011, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jack404

thats just there way of saying welcome and reminding you there are rules and penalties for breaking them

12-07-2011, 07:03 PM	#1
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	ok who here knows what a Haka is ?? educate the cops will ya's ?? no need for special training just show em on Youtube and save the $$ ( and educate folks at the same time) http://www.smh.com.au/sport/police-c...208-1ok5s.html SALT LAKE CITY: Police in the small Utah town of Roosevelt who used pepper spray and batons on spectators performing the haka at a high school American football game, have been cleared of wrongdoing. It was the first time the police had seen New Zealand's native Maori challenge performed and took action against the fans, including a dozen people from a single family, one aged 4. An investigation by the police of Roosevelt, 230 kilometres east of Salt Lake City, cleared their own officers of misconduct in the October incident and said their actions were appropriate because they feared a riot was imminent. Advertisement: Story continues below But the Utah branch of the American Civil Liberties Union said the police report was "anything but objective" in a letter sent this week to Duchesne County Attorney Stephen Foote. The ACLU was concerned that the decision to pepper spray during a cultural ritual may have violated the spectators' constitutional rights, wrote interim director Joseph Cohn. He also noted that the police failed to consider a video of the haka or statements from 15 witnesses who said they did not feel threatened by the performance. A haka, which usually lasts less than a minute, has been performed by New Zealand rugby teams as a pre-match challenge for more than 120 years around the world. The haka has spread to at least a dozen American football teams at US high schools, especially those with large numbers of Polynesians. On October 20, one Polynesian family drove 200 kilometres to Roosevelt to watch a relative play his final game for Union High School. Union lost to finish the season winless. To cheer up the team, a group of Polynesian men and boys performed a haka. Officer Luke Stradinger, who deployed pepper spray, apologised in the police report for causing "discomfort" to innocent bystanders, but said he wasn't familiar with the haka and was concerned because the group was blocking the only exit from the field for the teams. "I have never seen such an event, or even heard of such a thing," Stradinger said. Officer Wade Butterfield, who used a baton to disperse the group, said he became worried during the game because some of the people were yelling obscenities at the referees and acting in an unsportsmanlike manner. "I have seen a riot firsthand and know how dangerous they can be in an instant," Butterfield said. "No more force was used than was necessary to defuse the situation." Roosevelt police said officers will be given additional training in cultural diversity and customs. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/police-c...#ixzz1fttci8jD -->

12-07-2011, 07:05 PM	#2
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: ok who here knows what a Haka is ?? Kikiki kakaka kauana! Kei waniwania taku tara Kei tarawahia, kei te rua i te kerokero! He pounga rahui te uira ka rarapa; Ketekete kau ana to peru kairiri Mau au e koro e – Hi! Ha! Ka mate, ka mate! ka ora! ka ora! Ka mate! ka mate! ka ora! ka ora! Tēnei te tangata pūhuruhuru Nāna nei i tiki mai whakawhiti te rā Ā, upane! ka upane! Ā, upane, ka upane, whiti te ra! Ka wehi au ka matakana, Ko wai te tangata kia rere ure? Tirohanga ngā rua rerarera Ngā rua kuri kakanui i raro! Aha ha! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rDoV...eature=related Last edited by jack404; 12-07-2011 at 07:08 PM..

12-07-2011, 09:10 PM	#4
hkruss Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Mobile, Al. Posts: 1,092	Re: ok who here knows what a Haka is ?? The Maori's are some fearsome looking dudes! . __________________ obama - "non gratum anus rodentum"

12-07-2011, 09:27 PM	#5
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: ok who here knows what a Haka is ?? thats just there way of saying welcome and reminding you there are rules and penalties for breaking them

12-07-2011, 09:45 PM	#6
whymememe Former Guest Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: FEMA Region IV Contributor Posts: 1,445	Re: ok who here knows what a Haka is ?? Culture clash. Those guys have a menacing appearance. I quess the cops should have had a little warning before hand. Cops are kinda jumpee these days anyway.

12-07-2011, 09:50 PM	#7
jlloyd73 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Contributor Posts: 1,932	Re: ok who here knows what a Haka is ?? I thought a Haka was one of those little balls you try to bounce off you feet for a long time........LOL __________________ --------------------------------------------------- The only thing better than good family is good friends. J and D Lloyd Get ready...it's getting "real" and really fast!

12-08-2011, 03:51 AM	#8
Country101 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dardanelle, AR Contributor Posts: 2,029	Re: ok who here knows what a Haka is ?? The NZ Rugby team does a mean one. I've actually got that saved on my computer at the house. They get a little intense. I'd still say it seems they used unnecessary force, but I was not there. A few words would have done a lot better. __________________ Gainfully employed= shooting somebody elses bullets and getting paid for it Country101

12-08-2011, 07:30 AM	#9
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,295	Re: ok who here knows what a Haka is ?? You would think an apology at least, was in order here! The translation below isn't the same as the Haka Jack posted, but it works! http://crashtacklerugbygame.com/nati...l-rugby-anthem Ka mate Ka mate (It is death It is death) Ka ora Ka ora (It is life It is life) Ka mate Ka mate (It is death It is death) Ka ora Ka ora (It is life It is life) Tenei Te Tangata Puhuruhuru (This is the hairy man ) Nana i tiki mai whakawhiti te ra (Who caused the sun to shine again for me ) Upane Upane (Up the ladder Up the ladder ) Upane Kaupane (Up to the top ) Whiti te ra (The sun shines!) __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

12-08-2011, 07:39 AM	#10
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: ok who here knows what a Haka is ?? yeah truye eh , but i'm a traditionalist when it comes to the Aotearoans ( New Zealanders ) aotearoa means land of the long white cloud ( their own name for the joint ) Last edited by jack404; 12-08-2011 at 07:40 AM..

12-08-2011, 08:33 PM	#11
jedwil Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Texas Hill Country Contributor Posts: 1,922	Re: ok who here knows what a Haka is ?? Never heard of it before. I like it, gets the spirit moving....

12-09-2011, 09:14 AM	#12
al45lc Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: colorful colorado Posts: 1,016	Re: ok who here knows what a Haka is ?? Cultural respect and understanding goes both ways, one doesn't perform rituals in some elses home or on their turf without first asking permission. Why is it that WE Americans must always be the ones who should 'understand"? __________________ You are what you do, when it counts.

12-09-2011, 10:10 AM	#13
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,664	Re: ok who here knows what a Haka is ?? It's a war chant/cry/dance, ain't it? "We're the biggest baddest mothers around, and we're gonna kick some ass"? Why is anyone upset that people responded like it was a threat? I watched the video. There you are. Two cops standing at the sidelines, watching the game. Hear a noise. Turn around and there are a dozen or so great big guys, crouched down, snarling, yelling something scary sounding in a foreign language. Damn. Riot. They're lucky all they got was pepper-sprayed. __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies.