Can anybody help me? - The Firearms Forum

worldsaway · 11-24-2009, 02:59 PM

Hello there, I'm new to these forums obviously, and I don't know terribly much about firearms. But recently my father in law had given me this gun, which he had found in his basement in his new house. He knows nothing else about it, so he gave it to me.

I've had it for awhile and have never been able to find much out about it.

Today I showed it to my step-father, and he couldn't tell me much else except that it is a 12 Gauge, as there are no real visible markings on it.

There are no markings on it to speak of, save for what appears to be a Z or an N directly under the triggerguard, I tried to take a picture of it but it doesn't show up. It's just a small carving.

Otherwise, on the butt of it, there is an image of a squirrell.

I took some pictures and was hoping somebody here could give me some insight as to WHAT this gun is, the history, and maybe the pricing of it.

The barrel is 30' inches long, and the entire gun is just 45' inches.

You guys here seem to know what you're about, so hopefully somebody can give me some insight. Thanks.

worldsaway · 11-24-2009, 09:27 PM

Anybody? =/

muddober · 11-24-2009, 09:43 PM

It is obviously an older single shot hammer gun. A myriad of different manufacturers both foreign and domestic made them. The butt plate with the squirrel really throws me but I am sure someone on here will know exactly who made it.

Ron

Anchor Clanker · 11-24-2009, 09:45 PM

It's an Iver Johnson Champion in fairly poor condition worth about maybe $50.00

worldsaway · 11-25-2009, 12:53 PM

Thanks guys. I'll probably take it in to find out a bit more about it, but, could anybody give me a guesstimate of the age?

hrf · 11-25-2009, 01:42 PM

The squirrel butt plate identifies it as a Hopkins & Allen. If so, made befor 1916.

http://www.gungrip.com/detail_B394S_...buttplate.html

b.goforth · 11-28-2009, 05:14 PM

i agree with HRF it is not an iver johnson.

bill

11-24-2009, 02:59 PM	#1
worldsaway Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 3	Can anybody help me? Hello there, I'm new to these forums obviously, and I don't know terribly much about firearms. But recently my father in law had given me this gun, which he had found in his basement in his new house. He knows nothing else about it, so he gave it to me. I've had it for awhile and have never been able to find much out about it. Today I showed it to my step-father, and he couldn't tell me much else except that it is a 12 Gauge, as there are no real visible markings on it. There are no markings on it to speak of, save for what appears to be a Z or an N directly under the triggerguard, I tried to take a picture of it but it doesn't show up. It's just a small carving. Otherwise, on the butt of it, there is an image of a squirrell. I took some pictures and was hoping somebody here could give me some insight as to WHAT this gun is, the history, and maybe the pricing of it. The barrel is 30' inches long, and the entire gun is just 45' inches. You guys here seem to know what you're about, so hopefully somebody can give me some insight. Thanks. -->

11-24-2009, 09:27 PM	#2
worldsaway Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 3	Re: Can anybody help me? Anybody? =/

11-24-2009, 09:43 PM	#3
muddober Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,436	Re: Can anybody help me? It is obviously an older single shot hammer gun. A myriad of different manufacturers both foreign and domestic made them. The butt plate with the squirrel really throws me but I am sure someone on here will know exactly who made it. Ron

11-24-2009, 09:45 PM	#4
Anchor Clanker V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Vacaville,California Posts: 196	Re: Can anybody help me? It's an Iver Johnson Champion in fairly poor condition worth about maybe $50.00

11-25-2009, 12:53 PM	#5
worldsaway Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 3	Re: Can anybody help me? Thanks guys. I'll probably take it in to find out a bit more about it, but, could anybody give me a guesstimate of the age?

11-25-2009, 01:42 PM	#6
hrf Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,277	Re: Can anybody help me? The squirrel butt plate identifies it as a Hopkins & Allen. If so, made befor 1916. http://www.gungrip.com/detail_B394S_...buttplate.html

11-28-2009, 05:14 PM	#7
b.goforth Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: houston, tx Posts: 3,174	Re: Can anybody help me? i agree with HRF it is not an iver johnson. bill __________________ Author: Iver Johnson's Arms & Cycle Works 1871-1993 H&R Arms Company 1871-1986 (due spring 2010) available from www.gunshowbooks.com website; iverjohnsoncollector.x10hosting.com