Remington 1858 real or replica?? - The Firearms Forum

chrisweber1978 · 10-21-2010, 10:43 AM

I recently inherited this 1858 remington and im trying to tell if it is real or a replica ?. can find any marks saying remington on top of barrel. There is a serial # 061373 on both the bottom of the stock and bottom of barrel. however it says (ball-accuracy) on bottom of barrel as well. Any info would be great like if its a replica who made it and possible value cause its in excellent condtion

chrisweber1978 · 10-21-2010, 10:58 AM

After a little research it looks like its a reproduction
Gardone & Brescia
Anyone know if it still has value?

oscarmayer · 10-21-2010, 11:12 AM

gardone and brescia are places not companies, perhaps made in one place and put together in the other ? my guess is and mind you this is just a guess uberti or pietta ???? leaning towards uberti

Jim K · 10-21-2010, 11:58 AM

It is a repro and not even a very good one, as the fitting of the barrel to the receiver is way off. I doubt Uberti had anything to do with that one.

Value? Whatever anyone will pay, with a guess at under $100.

Jim

3/2 STA SS · 10-21-2010, 12:04 PM

Almost looks like a blank firing replica

oscarmayer · 10-21-2010, 12:12 PM

i didn't notice the poor fit between the barrel and frame so i withdraw my lean towards uberti, and even peitta both make better quality firearms than that.... but since gardone and brescia are in italy that i'll stick with

jim brady · 10-21-2010, 12:18 PM

I'd bet that this is one of the many Italian copies imported in the early 70s. They sold for about $75 back then. Good point made by Jim that the barrel fit is pretty off of what it should have been. Doubt this is a "blank' pistol. You could be pleasantly surprised to the accuracy potential, though, as a shooter. I built a "Remington" from a kit back then, and it would hit milk jugs at 25 yards with every shot. You might get $125 at a gun show for it, but they are fun to shoot (and a real pain to clean). Enjoy!

I need an education here. This is definately a replica. I know that rifles from the mid 1800s (Spingfield muskets, etc) were not serial numbered, but were original civil war Remington revolvers serial numbered? I believe that Colt's were.

Jim K · 10-21-2010, 12:35 PM

Most quality and service revolvers of the CW period were numbered, but the cheap guns were usually not. Colts, Remingtons, Starrs, Coopers, S&W's, Savages, Metropolitans, etc., were all numbered. Even Confederate copies were numbered, though sometimes somewhat haphazardly.

Jim

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chrisweber1978 Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 7	Remington 1858 real or replica?? I recently inherited this 1858 remington and im trying to tell if it is real or a replica ?. can find any marks saying remington on top of barrel. There is a serial # 061373 on both the bottom of the stock and bottom of barrel. however it says (ball-accuracy) on bottom of barrel as well. Any info would be great like if its a replica who made it and possible value cause its in excellent condtion Attached Images -->

10-21-2010, 10:58 AM	#2
chrisweber1978 Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 7	Re: Remington 1858 real or replica?? After a little research it looks like its a reproduction Gardone & Brescia Anyone know if it still has value?

10-21-2010, 11:12 AM	#3
oscarmayer Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Contributor Posts: 2,387	Re: Remington 1858 real or replica?? gardone and brescia are places not companies, perhaps made in one place and put together in the other ? my guess is and mind you this is just a guess uberti or pietta ???? leaning towards uberti

10-21-2010, 11:58 AM	#4
Jim K Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,408	Re: Remington 1858 real or replica?? It is a repro and not even a very good one, as the fitting of the barrel to the receiver is way off. I doubt Uberti had anything to do with that one. Value? Whatever anyone will pay, with a guess at under $100. Jim

10-21-2010, 12:04 PM	#5
3/2 STA SS Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Tampa Bay Area, FL Posts: 1,443	Re: Remington 1858 real or replica?? Almost looks like a blank firing replica

10-21-2010, 12:12 PM	#6
oscarmayer Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Contributor Posts: 2,387	Re: Remington 1858 real or replica?? i didn't notice the poor fit between the barrel and frame so i withdraw my lean towards uberti, and even peitta both make better quality firearms than that.... but since gardone and brescia are in italy that i'll stick with

10-21-2010, 12:18 PM	#7
jim brady Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,075	Re: Remington 1858 real or replica?? I'd bet that this is one of the many Italian copies imported in the early 70s. They sold for about $75 back then. Good point made by Jim that the barrel fit is pretty off of what it should have been. Doubt this is a "blank' pistol. You could be pleasantly surprised to the accuracy potential, though, as a shooter. I built a "Remington" from a kit back then, and it would hit milk jugs at 25 yards with every shot. You might get $125 at a gun show for it, but they are fun to shoot (and a real pain to clean). Enjoy! I need an education here. This is definately a replica. I know that rifles from the mid 1800s (Spingfield muskets, etc) were not serial numbered, but were original civil war Remington revolvers serial numbered? I believe that Colt's were.

10-21-2010, 12:35 PM	#8
Jim K Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,408	Re: Remington 1858 real or replica?? Most quality and service revolvers of the CW period were numbered, but the cheap guns were usually not. Colts, Remingtons, Starrs, Coopers, S&W's, Savages, Metropolitans, etc., were all numbered. Even Confederate copies were numbered, though sometimes somewhat haphazardly. Jim