Another Ivler Johnson - The Firearms Forum

Platinos2 · 10-14-2009, 11:04 PM

Recently received a gun from my mother that was my deceased fathers.

I don't know much about it and would like as much info as I can get!!

iverjohnsoncollector.com diagram numbers/locations

1. *IVLER JOHNSON'S ARMS & CYCLE WORKS*
-FITCHBURG MASS, USA-

2. nothing

3. nothing

4. nothing

5. 4

5A. nothing

6. H? 45209

7. Looks like an I or H

8. 45209

also there is a 09 on the cylinder as seen in this picture

anything I need to do to keep this legally? I do not own any other guns yet
I live in NJ

any help is appreciated!!

thanks
dave

Twaits · 10-15-2009, 06:11 AM

That 4 on the triggerguard is a little strange. I've seen the serial numbers on the triggerguards before, but it looks like they started to stamp it there but didn't finish it. I'm sure Bill Goforth will be along to give you all the info you need.

b.goforth · 10-15-2009, 12:29 PM

i am going to go out on a limb and say this is a second model hammerless that has been back to the factory for refinishing. although i have never seen one marked this way before. small frame 32 S&W caliber safety automatic hammerless revolver serial number H 45209 was manufactured in 1903.

i am basing this on the fact that the numbering on the bottom of the grip is stamped over the normal patent date stamping and the numbers are different. why they chose to put the full nember there i do not have an explaintion.

SECOND MODEL SAFETY AUTOMATIC HAMMERLESS REVOLVER
(Black Powder Cartridges)------------- -–1896-1908
LARGE FRAME AND SMALL FRAME VERSIONS USES HAMMER THE HAMMER ACTION: Double top post barrel latch, Hammer the Hammer action, nickel finish with blue optional, two frame sizes and three calibers. Hard rubber grip panels with Owls head at top. Calibers: small frame .22 rimfire with 7 rounds cylinder capacity, .32 centerfire with 5 rounds cylinder capacity; Standard barrel length: small frame 3 inches, large frame 3 ¼ inches; Weight: small frame with 3 inch barrel .22 rimfire 12 ½ ounces, .32 centerfire 13 ½ ounces, large frame with 3 ¼ inch barrel 17 ¾ ounces; Height: small frame 3 ¾ inches, large frame 3 7/8 inches; Frame length: small frame 4 3/16 inches, large frame 5 inches; Overall all length: small frame with 3 inch barrel 6 3/8 inches, large frame with 3 ¼ inch barrel 7 3/8 inches. Main serial number location on left side of grip frame grips must be removed to see. The Second Model features a double top post barrel latch, flat leaf hammer spring and two cross pins in the lower frame.
VALUE: 100%=$285 60%=$150
For revolvers equipped with Bourne Knuckleduster add 100%

bill

mark_baron · 10-15-2009, 12:45 PM

Quote:

anything I need to do to keep this legally? I do not own any other guns yet
I live in NJ
any help is appreciated!!
thanks
dave

OK Dave, not to totally scare you but, you are probably in violation of a few Peoples Republik of New Jersey laws already (since you don't own any guns currently and it is "OMG" a handgun that is probably 2 right there).

I'm sure someone on this forum is familiar with the current laws and can give you advice. Good luck.

Former Jersey boy,
Exit 153
Mark

10-14-2009, 11:04 PM	#1
Platinos2 Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1	Another Ivler Johnson Recently received a gun from my mother that was my deceased fathers. I don't know much about it and would like as much info as I can get!! iverjohnsoncollector.com diagram numbers/locations 1. IVLER JOHNSON'S ARMS & CYCLE WORKS -FITCHBURG MASS, USA- 2. nothing 3. nothing 4. nothing 5. 4 5A. nothing 6. H? 45209 7. Looks like an I or H 8. 45209 also there is a 09 on the cylinder as seen in this picture anything I need to do to keep this legally? I do not own any other guns yet I live in NJ any help is appreciated!! thanks dave --> Last edited by Platinos2; 10-14-2009 at 11:10 PM.. Reason: added info and picture

10-15-2009, 06:11 AM	#2
Twaits V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Windham Posts: 71	Re: Another Ivler Johnson That 4 on the triggerguard is a little strange. I've seen the serial numbers on the triggerguards before, but it looks like they started to stamp it there but didn't finish it. I'm sure Bill Goforth will be along to give you all the info you need.

10-15-2009, 12:29 PM	#3
b.goforth Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: houston, tx Posts: 3,174	Re: Another Ivler Johnson i am going to go out on a limb and say this is a second model hammerless that has been back to the factory for refinishing. although i have never seen one marked this way before. small frame 32 S&W caliber safety automatic hammerless revolver serial number H 45209 was manufactured in 1903. i am basing this on the fact that the numbering on the bottom of the grip is stamped over the normal patent date stamping and the numbers are different. why they chose to put the full nember there i do not have an explaintion. SECOND MODEL SAFETY AUTOMATIC HAMMERLESS REVOLVER (Black Powder Cartridges)------------- -–1896-1908 LARGE FRAME AND SMALL FRAME VERSIONS USES HAMMER THE HAMMER ACTION: Double top post barrel latch, Hammer the Hammer action, nickel finish with blue optional, two frame sizes and three calibers. Hard rubber grip panels with Owls head at top. Calibers: small frame .22 rimfire with 7 rounds cylinder capacity, .32 centerfire with 5 rounds cylinder capacity; Standard barrel length: small frame 3 inches, large frame 3 ¼ inches; Weight: small frame with 3 inch barrel .22 rimfire 12 ½ ounces, .32 centerfire 13 ½ ounces, large frame with 3 ¼ inch barrel 17 ¾ ounces; Height: small frame 3 ¾ inches, large frame 3 7/8 inches; Frame length: small frame 4 3/16 inches, large frame 5 inches; Overall all length: small frame with 3 inch barrel 6 3/8 inches, large frame with 3 ¼ inch barrel 7 3/8 inches. Main serial number location on left side of grip frame grips must be removed to see. The Second Model features a double top post barrel latch, flat leaf hammer spring and two cross pins in the lower frame. VALUE: 100%=$285 60%=$150 For revolvers equipped with Bourne Knuckleduster add 100% bill __________________ Author: Iver Johnson's Arms & Cycle Works 1871-1993 H&R Arms Company 1871-1986 (due spring 2010) available from www.gunshowbooks.com website; iverjohnsoncollector.x10hosting.com