I have officially become an ammo snob - The Firearms Forum

Alpo · 07-11-2012, 05:51 PM

Slickguns, one of the forum sponsors, has 30 carbine, 5 dollars a box of fifty.

I figgered that was a typo, but followed the links, anyway.

Herters ammo, sold by Cabelas.

So I have clicked in 20 boxes as the amount. 1000 rounds of 30 carbine for just under a hundred bucks. My God, that is so cheap it is unbelievable. First 30 carbine I ever bought, in the late 80s, was 6 bucks a box. Five dollars a box??? Wow.

Then, just before I order, I look at the picture again. Wait a minute, that looks like steel case.

Read the blurb.

>Loaded by Russia’s premier ammunition maker to precise C.I.P. standards, all Herter’s ammunition is noncorrosive and has smooth-cycling, polymer-coated steel cases. 110-grain FMJ bullets. 50 rounds per box. Imported. <

Huh. How 'bout that. Wolf.

So I backed out of the page. A dime a round. You can't buy bullets for a dime a round, let alone loaded ammo.

Buuuuut.

So, I guess I'm an ammo snob. I shoot steel cases in my com-blok guns, but I won't shoot it in my American ones. Same was as I won't shoot aluminum in anything.

But for people that ain't a picky as me, that's one smokin' good deal.

CCHolderinMaine · 07-11-2012, 06:41 PM

I shoot the ultra cheapest steel cased Herter's and Tul-Ammo in my Windham Weaponry AR. Feeds, fires, ejects, no problems. Cheap Russian ammo, American gun.

But, I also will not shoot aluminum in anything.

gdmoody · 07-11-2012, 07:28 PM

I'm not as picky, I just ordered 1000 of them.

aa1911 · 07-11-2012, 08:22 PM

I do love some wolf AK ammo, but I also refuse to shoot aluminum or steel in anything besides the AK. plus I reload so I want reloadable stuff

76Highboy · 07-11-2012, 08:39 PM

Nothing snobbish about that. I don't know much about the cheap ammo because I pretty much only reload but I believe you are thinking right.

rcairflr · 07-11-2012, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 76Highboy

Nothing snobbish about that. I don't know much about the cheap ammo because I pretty much only reload but I believe you are thinking right.

+1, nothing snobbish about feeding your quality firearm with quality ammunition.

gdmoody · 07-11-2012, 09:16 PM

I reload 99% of the ammo I use. I will shoot a few rounds of what I ordered, just to make sure they will function in my rifle. I will put the rest of that 1000 rounds into my "wall locker" to have for emergency use.

RandyP · 07-11-2012, 09:46 PM

Tula/Wolf/Herters or now Hornady steel case Match rifle ammo? They all go bang and work flawlessly. That said, you get to spend as much as you want on whatever you want ,to feed your firearms. Most all my pistols have run steel case with exactly zero issues.

I also reload but have not yet found any factory made ammo, of any component construction, that ddn't work just fine and I would not hesitate for a second to carry for self defense.

aa1911 · 07-12-2012, 05:33 PM

oh I lied, I also use Wolf 9mm in my hi power and occasionally my G19. But that's it, AK and 9mm. Everything else is brass so I can reload it.

skullfr · 07-12-2012, 05:59 PM

My cz-82 wont feed wolf so I stay away from it but silver bear is nickle plated like my hornady and 0 problems.

aa1911 · 07-12-2012, 06:59 PM

man, I bought a whole case of silver bear 9mm years ago and it was a freakin' fireworks show every shot! tons of sparks and excess flames, and dirty as hell. Never bought any more. stuck with wolf from then on.

Tried some silver bear AK ammo and it did OK until one blew up my AK; I had just cleaned it well including the barrel and it was almost a new gun, about a year old with only a 1000 rounds or so through it. Cracked the bolt in half and mushroomed out the receiver a bit. I know the romanian AK's aren't the best but good gravy... Can't whole heartedly blame the ammo, more likely something went wrong with the gun but I still don't know exactly the cause. Now I have a parts gun...

JLA · 07-12-2012, 08:05 PM

Im with ya Alpo. I am an ammo snob too. I wont shoot anything steel or aluminum in anything. Not even my Mosin or AK. I reload for all of them and dont mind buying brass.

gdmoody · 07-12-2012, 08:52 PM

I just got an email from Cabela's saying that the price was supposed to be $14.99 so they cancelled the order. I would have paid $4.99 but not $14.99.

JLA · 07-12-2012, 09:00 PM

ID have emailed them back and said not my problem. Send the damn ammo.

gdmoody · 07-12-2012, 09:01 PM

Good Idea!

JLA · 07-12-2012, 09:03 PM

Threaten them with a false ad suit or something..

Alpo · 07-12-2012, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JLA

ID have emailed them back and said not my problem. Send the damn ammo.

Absolutely. If you placed the order, and got a confirmation number for the order, they have to honor the order.

PA_RIFLEMAN303 · 07-12-2012, 11:05 PM

please don't admit that you drank the "soft steel cases harm hardened firearm steel" kool-aid

because the very soft steel used to make these cases will never harm the extremely hard steel used to produce firearms.

That is like suggesting that nailing brass tacks will damage your framing hammer lol.

I don't like most surplus due to the extreme variances in powder charges, that angers me.

JLA · 07-13-2012, 08:57 PM

Mild steel VS Ordnance steel is still steel VS steel. More wear occurs than Brass VS Steel.

Killcreek · 07-13-2012, 10:33 PM

I figure by the time that the steel cases wear out my chamber, that i will have saved about $2500 on ammo costs, and i can afford to then spend $250 to replace the barrel.

JLA · 07-14-2012, 12:07 AM

touche'.. I suppose.. Leaves more brass ammo for me then..

aa1911 · 07-14-2012, 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PA_RIFLEMAN303

please don't admit that you drank the "soft steel cases harm hardened firearm steel" kool-aid

because the very soft steel used to make these cases will never harm the extremely hard steel used to produce firearms.

That is like suggesting that nailing brass tacks will damage your framing hammer lol.

I don't like most surplus due to the extreme variances in powder charges, that angers me.

hey, noticed you're from my homestate (when I was a kid that is). you ever shoot any hi-pwr service rifle around central PA by chance, say mid to late 90's?

just curious. used to shoot at Reed township and a few others religiously...

I think CCI blazer ammo is the biggest turn off for me; I'll feed Wolf and similar to certain guns but I cannot bring myself to buy or shoot aluminum cases, just a subconscious pet peeve for no particular reason...

maybe because I'm a die hard reloader...

PA_RIFLEMAN303 · 07-14-2012, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by aa1911

hey, noticed you're from my homestate (when I was a kid that is). you ever shoot any hi-pwr service rifle around central PA by chance, say mid to late 90's?

just curious. used to shoot at Reed township and a few others religiously...

I think CCI blazer ammo is the biggest turn off for me; I'll feed Wolf and similar to certain guns but I cannot bring myself to buy or shoot aluminum cases, just a subconscious pet peeve for no particular reason...

maybe because I'm a die hard reloader...

no I have not shot any hi-power. would like to but haven't yet. and yes I agree, there is something strange about aluminum cases. I'll use them if I have to but def not my first choice.

07-11-2012, 05:51 PM	#1
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,662	I have officially become an ammo snob Slickguns, one of the forum sponsors, has 30 carbine, 5 dollars a box of fifty. I figgered that was a typo, but followed the links, anyway. Herters ammo, sold by Cabelas. So I have clicked in 20 boxes as the amount. 1000 rounds of 30 carbine for just under a hundred bucks. My God, that is so cheap it is unbelievable. First 30 carbine I ever bought, in the late 80s, was 6 bucks a box. Five dollars a box??? Wow. Then, just before I order, I look at the picture again. Wait a minute, that looks like steel case. Read the blurb. >Loaded by Russia’s premier ammunition maker to precise C.I.P. standards, all Herter’s ammunition is noncorrosive and has smooth-cycling, polymer-coated steel cases. 110-grain FMJ bullets. 50 rounds per box. Imported. < Huh. How 'bout that. Wolf. So I backed out of the page. A dime a round. You can't buy bullets for a dime a round, let alone loaded ammo. Buuuuut. So, I guess I'm an ammo snob. I shoot steel cases in my com-blok guns, but I won't shoot it in my American ones. Same was as I won't shoot aluminum in anything. But for people that ain't a picky as me, that's one smokin' good deal. __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies. -->

07-11-2012, 06:41 PM	#2
CCHolderinMaine Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Steep Falls, Maine Contributor Posts: 645	Re: I have officially become an ammo snob I shoot the ultra cheapest steel cased Herter's and Tul-Ammo in my Windham Weaponry AR. Feeds, fires, ejects, no problems. Cheap Russian ammo, American gun. But, I also will not shoot aluminum in anything.

07-11-2012, 07:28 PM	#3
gdmoody Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Northeast Georgia Contributor Posts: 6,354	Re: I have officially become an ammo snob I'm not as picky, I just ordered 1000 of them. __________________ NRA Endowment Member GeorgiaCarry.Org Member Retired US Army Postal Worker Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take an ass whoopin'.....author unknown (but obviously brilliant)

07-11-2012, 08:22 PM	#4
aa1911 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 3,115	Re: I have officially become an ammo snob I do love some wolf AK ammo, but I also refuse to shoot aluminum or steel in anything besides the AK. plus I reload so I want reloadable stuff __________________ "Loud noises don't end gunfights.... well placed shots do."

07-11-2012, 08:39 PM	#5
76Highboy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Meridian, Idaho Contributor Posts: 6,969	Re: I have officially become an ammo snob Nothing snobbish about that. I don't know much about the cheap ammo because I pretty much only reload but I believe you are thinking right.

07-11-2012, 09:16 PM	#7
gdmoody Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Northeast Georgia Contributor Posts: 6,354	Re: I have officially become an ammo snob I reload 99% of the ammo I use. I will shoot a few rounds of what I ordered, just to make sure they will function in my rifle. I will put the rest of that 1000 rounds into my "wall locker" to have for emergency use. __________________ NRA Endowment Member GeorgiaCarry.Org Member Retired US Army Postal Worker Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take an ass whoopin'.....author unknown (but obviously brilliant)

07-11-2012, 09:46 PM	#8
RandyP V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 430	Re: I have officially become an ammo snob Tula/Wolf/Herters or now Hornady steel case Match rifle ammo? They all go bang and work flawlessly. That said, you get to spend as much as you want on whatever you want ,to feed your firearms. Most all my pistols have run steel case with exactly zero issues. I also reload but have not yet found any factory made ammo, of any component construction, that ddn't work just fine and I would not hesitate for a second to carry for self defense. __________________ Lee Anniversary and Lee Classic 4-Hole Turret, presently reloading .380, 7.62 Nagant (32-20), 9mm and 45ACP Last edited by RandyP; 07-12-2012 at 10:14 AM..

07-12-2012, 05:33 PM	#9
aa1911 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 3,115	Re: I have officially become an ammo snob oh I lied, I also use Wolf 9mm in my hi power and occasionally my G19. But that's it, AK and 9mm. Everything else is brass so I can reload it. __________________ "Loud noises don't end gunfights.... well placed shots do."

07-12-2012, 05:59 PM	#10
skullfr Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Beaumont,Texas Posts: 902	Re: I have officially become an ammo snob My cz-82 wont feed wolf so I stay away from it but silver bear is nickle plated like my hornady and 0 problems.

07-12-2012, 06:59 PM	#11
aa1911 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 3,115	Re: I have officially become an ammo snob man, I bought a whole case of silver bear 9mm years ago and it was a freakin' fireworks show every shot! tons of sparks and excess flames, and dirty as hell. Never bought any more. stuck with wolf from then on. Tried some silver bear AK ammo and it did OK until one blew up my AK; I had just cleaned it well including the barrel and it was almost a new gun, about a year old with only a 1000 rounds or so through it. Cracked the bolt in half and mushroomed out the receiver a bit. I know the romanian AK's aren't the best but good gravy... Can't whole heartedly blame the ammo, more likely something went wrong with the gun but I still don't know exactly the cause. Now I have a parts gun... __________________ "Loud noises don't end gunfights.... well placed shots do."

07-12-2012, 08:05 PM	#12
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,319	Re: I have officially become an ammo snob Im with ya Alpo. I am an ammo snob too. I wont shoot anything steel or aluminum in anything. Not even my Mosin or AK. I reload for all of them and dont mind buying brass. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

07-12-2012, 08:52 PM	#13
gdmoody Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Northeast Georgia Contributor Posts: 6,354	Re: I have officially become an ammo snob I just got an email from Cabela's saying that the price was supposed to be $14.99 so they cancelled the order. I would have paid $4.99 but not $14.99. __________________ NRA Endowment Member GeorgiaCarry.Org Member Retired US Army Postal Worker Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take an ass whoopin'.....author unknown (but obviously brilliant)

07-12-2012, 09:00 PM	#14
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,319	Re: I have officially become an ammo snob ID have emailed them back and said not my problem. Send the damn ammo. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

07-12-2012, 09:01 PM	#15
gdmoody Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Northeast Georgia Contributor Posts: 6,354	Re: I have officially become an ammo snob Good Idea! __________________ NRA Endowment Member GeorgiaCarry.Org Member Retired US Army Postal Worker Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take an ass whoopin'.....author unknown (but obviously brilliant)

07-12-2012, 09:03 PM	#16
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,319	Re: I have officially become an ammo snob Threaten them with a false ad suit or something.. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

07-12-2012, 11:05 PM	#18
PA_RIFLEMAN303 Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Port Allegany, PA 16743 Posts: 20	Re: I have officially become an ammo snob please don't admit that you drank the "soft steel cases harm hardened firearm steel" kool-aid because the very soft steel used to make these cases will never harm the extremely hard steel used to produce firearms. That is like suggesting that nailing brass tacks will damage your framing hammer lol. I don't like most surplus due to the extreme variances in powder charges, that angers me. __________________ ___________________________________________ Always looking to acquire Greek HXP .303 British ammunition. ___________________________________________ 1943 Fazakerley Lee Enfield No.4 Mk.1 Last edited by PA_RIFLEMAN303; 07-12-2012 at 11:08 PM..

07-13-2012, 08:57 PM	#19
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,319	Re: I have officially become an ammo snob Mild steel VS Ordnance steel is still steel VS steel. More wear occurs than Brass VS Steel. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

07-13-2012, 10:33 PM	#20
Killcreek Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 49	Re: I have officially become an ammo snob I figure by the time that the steel cases wear out my chamber, that i will have saved about $2500 on ammo costs, and i can afford to then spend $250 to replace the barrel.

07-14-2012, 12:07 AM	#21
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,319	Re: I have officially become an ammo snob touche'.. I suppose.. Leaves more brass ammo for me then.. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!