Arrested for reading the Bible - The Firearms Forum

jack404 · 03-31-2012, 01:38 AM

video here http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/29...eading-bible/#

“Good morning, everyone,” he says to a group of 15 onlookers waiting outside the Hemet California Division of Motor Vehicles. “I would like to read a little bit of the word of God this morning.”
The video, shot in February of last year, ends with Mackey’s arrest.
“You can preach on your own property,” an officer from the California Highway Patrol tells Mackey as he leads him away in handcuffs. “Folks, this is what the United States is coming to,” Mackey says to the crowd, who were standing outside waiting for the DMV to open. “You can talk about anything you want, but you can’t talk about the Bible.”

Mackey is a reverend with Calvary Chapel Hemet, a conservative Christian church that practices an “evangelical ministry,” requiring public testimonials and Scripture readings.
Church officials believe Mackey was arrested because of “Christian bigotry.”
The officer who made the arrest disagrees, claiming he arrested Mackey for preaching to a public audience who had no choice but to listen.
“You’re not allowed to preach here," he told Mackey, “because this is a captive audience.”
Mackey’s lawyer calls that “ridiculous.”
“That doesn’t make sense in America,” says Robert Tyler of Advocates for Faith and Freedom, a non-profit law firm which defends Christian Liberties. “If the doctrine of the captive audience is going to apply broad brush, no one is going to be allowed to [preach in] a public park…that’s not America.”
Tyler also points out Mackey was cited for “impeding an open business,” but he points out the DMV wasn’t even open at the time.
“The DMV was closed,” he said. “They had no business arresting him.”
Not so, observes constitutional attorney Dan Conaway, saying those waiting for the DMV doors to open have no choice but to listen to Mackey.
“He's creating an intimidating situation for people who simply want to get their drivers licenses renewed,” says Conaway, who says it’s OK to preach in public, but not when your listeners can’t leave.
“He does not have the right to intimidate others and force them to listen and impede their ability to do normal business activities such as going to the DMV.”
Tyler points out that the “captive audience” statute requires more than simple intimidation.
“Mackey had to be threatening them. Is reading the Bible threatening?”
Tyler says that, in the end, Mackey has simply been charged with trespassing.
How can that be trespassing?” Tyler asks. “This is a public place. He was not blocking or impeding anyone. He was standing over 50 feet from the entrance. This is crazy.”
Mackey sees it in biblical terms.
“The devil is holding everyone captive to do his will," he said as he was led away. “Repent, and trust in Jesus Christ. Judgment Day is coming, folks.”

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/29...#ixzz1qg4Bz3bA

Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

i guess the minister here got a heap of Blessings , and i reckon we all will before this is done

get set folks

hard times for believers ahead

rosierita · 03-31-2012, 08:50 AM

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“He's creating an intimidating situation for people who simply want to get their drivers licenses renewed,” says Conaway, who says it’s OK to preach in public, but not when your listeners can’t leave.
“He does not have the right to intimidate others and force them to listen and impede their ability to do normal business activities such as going to the DMV.”

pure junk!! & that's the cleanest version i can come up with.

interesting times are ahead y'all.

thank you for posting this jack.

Sorrowful Jones · 03-31-2012, 09:08 AM

I wish I could be on that jury... I would aquit the guy.

Sorrowful Jones · 03-31-2012, 09:21 AM

This reminds me of an incident I once witnessed. I was in a Whataburger and there was guy in there who was standing in the order area "preaching". More correctly, he was rambling. Sadly, it appeared to me he was not in his right mind. To me it was clear this guy was a mental patient, but as I listened to his words I noticed that he was absolutely right on the mark when it came to quoting the Bible.
I noticed the employees and other customers were concerned, not knowing what this guy might do. The manager showed up and was talking to the guy when the cops got there. I have to hand it to Houston PD. They were very kind to the guy talked him into leaving, and did not arrest him.

carver · 03-31-2012, 09:32 AM

Just more evidence of the police state that we live in. I noticed that he, Mackey, was eventually charged with trespassing! On public property? Truth is that none of the charges were valid, but they were not going to let that stop them, so they just made up a charge. If I were Mackey I would sue them so hard that they would be afraid to charge any one with any thing for a long time!

jack404 · 03-31-2012, 04:44 PM

been there myself recently i opened a talk and someone later later complained as they opening had a prayer .. , but calling the cops ?? heck ..

BlackEagle · 04-28-2012, 05:43 PM

Plan B. I used to read to our kids whenever we had a boring wait. We were in a cafateria line one day; I pulled the book we were reading out of my pocket, started reading to keep the kids occupied and quiet while waiting in line. I looked up, and noticed everyone within earshot was listening in. A little embarrasing, but as they say over here, in for a penny in for a pound, I kept reading until we got to the food. People didn't seem to mind.

What about instead of preaching to the crowd, just start reading out loud to someone with you? Could be a sermon, or Scripture...

Just an idea...

raven818 · 04-28-2012, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackEagle

Plan B. I used to read to our kids whenever we had a boring wait. We were in a cafateria line one day; I pulled the book we were reading out of my pocket, started reading to keep the kids occupied and quiet while waiting in line. I looked up, and noticed everyone within earshot was listening in. A little embarrasing, but as they say over here, in for a penny in for a pound, I kept reading until we got to the food. People didn't seem to mind.

What about instead of preaching to the crowd, just start reading out loud to someone with you? Could be a sermon, or Scripture...

Just an idea...

Good idea. If there's any complaints, the complainant was eavesdropping on a private conversation.

76Highboy · 04-28-2012, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackEagle

Plan B. I used to read to our kids whenever we had a boring wait. We were in a cafateria line one day; I pulled the book we were reading out of my pocket, started reading to keep the kids occupied and quiet while waiting in line. I looked up, and noticed everyone within earshot was listening in. A little embarrasing, but as they say over here, in for a penny in for a pound, I kept reading until we got to the food. People didn't seem to mind.

What about instead of preaching to the crowd, just start reading out loud to someone with you? Could be a sermon, or Scripture...

Just an idea...

I agree. My wife and I were eating at Costco in Boise, and before we ate I prayed over our food just like I always do. So, I began praying just as I do at home. I finished with an amen and suddenly this older short man stands up and shouts, "Thank you for saying grace for me too.": I looked up at him and he was giving me a big ol' thumbs up and then other people around my wife and I began giving us a thumbs up. Later I went to refill my cola and a man approached me and thanked me for praying. I think there are more people that appreciate it than our govt. lets on.

jack404 · 04-28-2012, 09:19 PM

way more .. same here too ..

76Highboy · 04-28-2012, 09:33 PM

That sure shows you how carried away the govt. can get. The majority gets muzzled and chained and the minority get the special treatment. It's wrong, so wrong.

How you doin Jack?

jack404 · 04-28-2012, 09:39 PM

cant complain , nice Service this morning ( sunday 12:36 pm here now) weather is cold and wet so doing paperwork and chasing democrats and socialist who owe big taxes to get ready for the new IRS law that'll allow em to take your guns and limit your travel rights ..

they wont go ahead with it if all their shining stars and czars are the first ones named and shamed about how much they owe ..

other than that , a quiet day eh ..

76Highboy · 04-28-2012, 09:43 PM

That's nice Jack.

ampaterry · 04-29-2012, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackEagle

Plan B. I used to read to our kids whenever we had a boring wait. We were in a cafateria line one day; I pulled the book we were reading out of my pocket, started reading to keep the kids occupied and quiet while waiting in line. I looked up, and noticed everyone within earshot was listening in. A little embarrasing, but as they say over here, in for a penny in for a pound, I kept reading until we got to the food. People didn't seem to mind.

What about instead of preaching to the crowd, just start reading out loud to someone with you? Could be a sermon, or Scripture...

Just an idea...

This is a great idea, BlackEagle!

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Originally Posted by jack404

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“Mackey had to be threatening them. Is reading the Bible threatening?”
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It is threatening to those who practice Homosexuality.

It is threatening to those who believe the world owes them a living.

It is threatening to those who do not want to deal with a righteous God.

It is threatening to those who are practice sex outside of marriage.

It is threatening to those who destroy their bodies with drugs.

It is threatening to those who lie.

It is threatening to those who cheat.

It is threatening to those who steal.

It is threatening to those who have chosen to follow false gods.

Yes indeed, the Bible is VERY threatening.

In fact, there is only one thing more threatening than learning what is in the Bible - - -

NOT learning what is in the Bible!

jack404 · 04-29-2012, 06:56 AM

again , hear hear !!!

cutter · 04-29-2012, 09:02 AM

Great posts guy's! You all help me a lot, I am not alone in my thoughts and I like so many other people get to feeling overwhelmed from thr MSM. We are a lot stronger than the MSM thinks!! This section is one of my favs of TFF.

Model195Fan · 04-29-2012, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ampaterry

It is threatening to those who practice Homosexuality.

It is threatening to those who believe the world owes them a living.

It is threatening to those who do not want to deal with a righteous God.

It is threatening to those who are practice sex outside of marriage.

It is threatening to those who destroy their bodies with drugs.

It is threatening to those who lie.

It is threatening to those who cheat.

It is threatening to those who steal.

It is threatening to those who have chosen to follow false gods.

Only if they believe God has the power to do something about it. A true atheist would not feel threatened at all. So if these folks really feel threatened, you all must be picking the right people to "threaten." I would think that that would be encouraging.

jack404 · 04-29-2012, 05:49 PM

actually its a joint ridicule thing , i've gone along to some of the leftist meeetings and the leaders really whip them up against Christians , saying how we'll take away their right to abortion , to welfare as we are greedy and dont want to pay for them ( but are already supporting 20% of the population ) that we wont allow them gay marriage and all the rest of the depraved things the leadership is promising ..

so its no wonder they hit the streets with a vengence ....

this is orchestrated from the top , and sent all the way down to the usefull idiots as stalin called them , but remember what happened to those same useful idiots when the golden age of communism hit and it wasn't as they dreamed and they complained ??

they invented the gulag and the useful idiots where locked away until most where dead as those willing to protest would be willing to counter protest and become counter revolutionaries .. so they where liquidated ...

thats socialism folks and the idiots who are supporting that have forgotten that what these types are like ..

Dan01 · 04-29-2012, 06:05 PM

Sorry folks!!!.....I have my own personal religious beliefs and find a religious nut bellowing his personal beliefs in my face to be an infringement of my rights........Passing out literature or politely asking individuals if they would like to engage in a person to person (private) religious dialog would be more acceptable..........

What if this individual was spouting quotes from the qurran???.....I bet many of you would get upset just as I would.

jack404 · 04-29-2012, 06:09 PM

Dan, yes but those spouting from the qoran are allowed too

theres 19 youtube channels of islamic street preachers who preach every day , one on the steps of a public library , obne specialises in converting pre teens to islam , because its cool to be muslim as you dont have to obey the wests laws , and thats the poster he has behind himself while he preaches ( demoine somewhere)

but if a Christian does this he's bundled off

cant do that to the muslim as that would be racist..

when muslims are about, Christians suffer Dan

Dan01 · 04-29-2012, 06:24 PM

Jack, what you say is true, but I have my personal allowance of what I will tolerate in a public setting from which I might not be able to walk away from......In this case I speak only as to how I feel........

Rest assured that I abhor Islam and those that practice it......In the Muslim controlled parts of the world they would imprison or kill a Christian for loudly preaching Christian beliefs in public.

jack404 · 04-29-2012, 06:57 PM

in muslim controlled parts of the world , Christians have bounties on their heads ..

Banda Arche province indonesia the mayor there has offers 15,000 rupia for each kaffirs head ( after us kaffirs rebuilt their mosques hospitals clinics and schools.. )

03-31-2012, 01:38 AM	#1
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Arrested for reading the Bible video here http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/29...eading-bible/# “Good morning, everyone,” he says to a group of 15 onlookers waiting outside the Hemet California Division of Motor Vehicles. “I would like to read a little bit of the word of God this morning.” The video, shot in February of last year, ends with Mackey’s arrest. “You can preach on your own property,” an officer from the California Highway Patrol tells Mackey as he leads him away in handcuffs. “Folks, this is what the United States is coming to,” Mackey says to the crowd, who were standing outside waiting for the DMV to open. “You can talk about anything you want, but you can’t talk about the Bible.” Mackey is a reverend with Calvary Chapel Hemet, a conservative Christian church that practices an “evangelical ministry,” requiring public testimonials and Scripture readings. Church officials believe Mackey was arrested because of “Christian bigotry.” The officer who made the arrest disagrees, claiming he arrested Mackey for preaching to a public audience who had no choice but to listen. “You’re not allowed to preach here," he told Mackey, “because this is a captive audience.” Mackey’s lawyer calls that “ridiculous.” “That doesn’t make sense in America,” says Robert Tyler of Advocates for Faith and Freedom, a non-profit law firm which defends Christian Liberties. “If the doctrine of the captive audience is going to apply broad brush, no one is going to be allowed to [preach in] a public park…that’s not America.” Tyler also points out Mackey was cited for “impeding an open business,” but he points out the DMV wasn’t even open at the time. “The DMV was closed,” he said. “They had no business arresting him.” Not so, observes constitutional attorney Dan Conaway, saying those waiting for the DMV doors to open have no choice but to listen to Mackey. “He's creating an intimidating situation for people who simply want to get their drivers licenses renewed,” says Conaway, who says it’s OK to preach in public, but not when your listeners can’t leave. “He does not have the right to intimidate others and force them to listen and impede their ability to do normal business activities such as going to the DMV.” Tyler points out that the “captive audience” statute requires more than simple intimidation. “Mackey had to be threatening them. Is reading the Bible threatening?” Tyler says that, in the end, Mackey has simply been charged with trespassing. How can that be trespassing?” Tyler asks. “This is a public place. He was not blocking or impeding anyone. He was standing over 50 feet from the entrance. This is crazy.” Mackey sees it in biblical terms. “The devil is holding everyone captive to do his will," he said as he was led away. “Repent, and trust in Jesus Christ. Judgment Day is coming, folks.” Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/29...#ixzz1qg4Bz3bA Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. i guess the minister here got a heap of Blessings , and i reckon we all will before this is done get set folks hard times for believers ahead -->

03-31-2012, 09:08 AM	#3
Sorrowful Jones V.I.P. Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 108	Re: Arrested for reading the Bible I wish I could be on that jury... I would aquit the guy. __________________ ______________________________________________

03-31-2012, 09:21 AM	#4
Sorrowful Jones V.I.P. Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 108	Re: Arrested for reading the Bible This reminds me of an incident I once witnessed. I was in a Whataburger and there was guy in there who was standing in the order area "preaching". More correctly, he was rambling. Sadly, it appeared to me he was not in his right mind. To me it was clear this guy was a mental patient, but as I listened to his words I noticed that he was absolutely right on the mark when it came to quoting the Bible. I noticed the employees and other customers were concerned, not knowing what this guy might do. The manager showed up and was talking to the guy when the cops got there. I have to hand it to Houston PD. They were very kind to the guy talked him into leaving, and did not arrest him. __________________ ______________________________________________

03-31-2012, 09:32 AM	#5
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,268	Re: Arrested for reading the Bible Just more evidence of the police state that we live in. I noticed that he, Mackey, was eventually charged with trespassing! On public property? Truth is that none of the charges were valid, but they were not going to let that stop them, so they just made up a charge. If I were Mackey I would sue them so hard that they would be afraid to charge any one with any thing for a long time! __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

03-31-2012, 04:44 PM	#6
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Arrested for reading the Bible been there myself recently i opened a talk and someone later later complained as they opening had a prayer .. , but calling the cops ?? heck ..

04-28-2012, 05:43 PM	#7
BlackEagle Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: UK Posts: 3,168	Re: Arrested for reading the Bible Plan B. I used to read to our kids whenever we had a boring wait. We were in a cafateria line one day; I pulled the book we were reading out of my pocket, started reading to keep the kids occupied and quiet while waiting in line. I looked up, and noticed everyone within earshot was listening in. A little embarrasing, but as they say over here, in for a penny in for a pound, I kept reading until we got to the food. People didn't seem to mind. What about instead of preaching to the crowd, just start reading out loud to someone with you? Could be a sermon, or Scripture... Just an idea...

04-28-2012, 09:19 PM	#10
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Arrested for reading the Bible way more .. same here too ..

04-28-2012, 09:33 PM	#11
76Highboy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Meridian, Idaho Contributor Posts: 6,962	Re: Arrested for reading the Bible That sure shows you how carried away the govt. can get. The majority gets muzzled and chained and the minority get the special treatment. It's wrong, so wrong. How you doin Jack?

04-28-2012, 09:39 PM	#12
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Arrested for reading the Bible cant complain , nice Service this morning ( sunday 12:36 pm here now) weather is cold and wet so doing paperwork and chasing democrats and socialist who owe big taxes to get ready for the new IRS law that'll allow em to take your guns and limit your travel rights .. they wont go ahead with it if all their shining stars and czars are the first ones named and shamed about how much they owe .. other than that , a quiet day eh ..

04-28-2012, 09:43 PM	#13
76Highboy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Meridian, Idaho Contributor Posts: 6,962	Re: Arrested for reading the Bible That's nice Jack.

04-29-2012, 06:56 AM	#15
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Arrested for reading the Bible again , hear hear !!!

04-29-2012, 09:02 AM	#16
cutter Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 630	Re: Arrested for reading the Bible Great posts guy's! You all help me a lot, I am not alone in my thoughts and I like so many other people get to feeling overwhelmed from thr MSM. We are a lot stronger than the MSM thinks!! This section is one of my favs of TFF.

04-29-2012, 05:49 PM	#18
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Arrested for reading the Bible actually its a joint ridicule thing , i've gone along to some of the leftist meeetings and the leaders really whip them up against Christians , saying how we'll take away their right to abortion , to welfare as we are greedy and dont want to pay for them ( but are already supporting 20% of the population ) that we wont allow them gay marriage and all the rest of the depraved things the leadership is promising .. so its no wonder they hit the streets with a vengence .... this is orchestrated from the top , and sent all the way down to the usefull idiots as stalin called them , but remember what happened to those same useful idiots when the golden age of communism hit and it wasn't as they dreamed and they complained ?? they invented the gulag and the useful idiots where locked away until most where dead as those willing to protest would be willing to counter protest and become counter revolutionaries .. so they where liquidated ... thats socialism folks and the idiots who are supporting that have forgotten that what these types are like ..

04-29-2012, 06:05 PM	#19
Dan01 Former Guest Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Goose Creek SC Posts: 117	Re: Arrested for reading the Bible Sorry folks!!!.....I have my own personal religious beliefs and find a religious nut bellowing his personal beliefs in my face to be an infringement of my rights........Passing out literature or politely asking individuals if they would like to engage in a person to person (private) religious dialog would be more acceptable.......... What if this individual was spouting quotes from the qurran???.....I bet many of you would get upset just as I would.

04-29-2012, 06:09 PM	#20
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Arrested for reading the Bible Dan, yes but those spouting from the qoran are allowed too theres 19 youtube channels of islamic street preachers who preach every day , one on the steps of a public library , obne specialises in converting pre teens to islam , because its cool to be muslim as you dont have to obey the wests laws , and thats the poster he has behind himself while he preaches ( demoine somewhere) but if a Christian does this he's bundled off cant do that to the muslim as that would be racist.. when muslims are about, Christians suffer Dan

04-29-2012, 06:24 PM	#21
Dan01 Former Guest Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Goose Creek SC Posts: 117	Re: Arrested for reading the Bible Jack, what you say is true, but I have my personal allowance of what I will tolerate in a public setting from which I might not be able to walk away from......In this case I speak only as to how I feel........ Rest assured that I abhor Islam and those that practice it......In the Muslim controlled parts of the world they would imprison or kill a Christian for loudly preaching Christian beliefs in public.

04-29-2012, 06:57 PM	#22
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Arrested for reading the Bible in muslim controlled parts of the world , Christians have bounties on their heads .. Banda Arche province indonesia the mayor there has offers 15,000 rupia for each kaffirs head ( after us kaffirs rebuilt their mosques hospitals clinics and schools.. )