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satellite66 · 03-01-2006, 07:27 AM

Maybe I'm just cynical but the article seems to focus more on the actions of the victim than the robber.

Police: Man Shoots, Kills Person Trying To Rob Him

POSTED: 10:45 am EST February 28, 2006
UPDATED: 5:54 pm EST February 28, 2006

MIAMI -- A man shot and killed another man trying to rob him at a gas station early Tuesday morning, according to Miami-Dade County police.

Police said the victim was approached by an armed man at a BP gas station on West Dixie Highway at about 4 a.m. Gas station employees said the robber was a 22-year-old man who went by the street name "S.P."

A witness said S.P. came into the parking lot, saw the victim wearing a gold chain, pulled a gun and demanded that he hand over the chain, NBC 6's Jeff Burnside reported.

The victim was also carrying a gun. Police said he shot and killed the robber during a confrontation.

Police found evidence that bullets were flying everywhere, from both the robber's and the victim's guns. The gas station owner, Cesar Gaiton, said a cashier counted at least seven shots, some of which hit the food store.

"She was screaming. When she called me, I said, 'Hello.' She was screaming, 'Somebody shot somebody in his face,'" Gaiton said.

"From what we gather at this point is that he did have a permit for the firearm. He did utilize the firearm, at this point, from what it seems, in self-defense. But, that's why the interview process and all the information gathering remains the same, like any other case," said Alvaro Zabaleta, of the Miami-Dade County police.

The victim was taken to Miami-Dade Police Department for questioning.

Detectives believe the robbery attempt was random and the shooting was apparently in self-defense. An investigation continues.

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358 winchester · 03-01-2006, 09:26 AM

I think that the man needs more practice

I believe that if I shot some one in the face there would only be one side of THAT STORY EVER TOLD

Ron

Think I will stop by the range and shoot more often

JohnK3 · 03-01-2006, 10:21 AM

Ummm....read it again, 358. The 'victim' is the guy who killed the robber.

358 winchester · 03-01-2006, 10:43 AM

but seven shots, I know some came from the robber but still seven shots?

HiPowerKid · 03-01-2006, 11:06 AM

Well we don't know his level of expertise and when someone shoves a gun in your face the old adrenaline pump starts pumping and that may affect one's aim. Sure hope it doesn't happen to me, but I hope I'm prepared enough to handle it should the occasion arise. Boy, when that buzzer goes off at our local match I know my heart starts to pumpin'! but someone's not shooting at me either.

MnHunter · 03-01-2006, 11:17 AM

May I add close quarter combat situations as this one appears to be is alot harder then one thinks til you are in the situation. It is easier to shoot someone at a further distance then it is to shoot someone standing in your face. Just what the military taught me.

berto64 · 03-01-2006, 11:38 AM

They didn't specify who's shots went wild either now, did they?

Calm down and wait for the Facts folks. It's easier on the blood pressure.

358 winchester · 03-01-2006, 01:44 PM

yes daddy

Marlin T · 03-01-2006, 09:32 PM

Seven shots isn't that many. Three from one guy and four from the other, or something like that.

In tactical situations I learned that it is two to the chest and one to the head.

I'll have to agree with Mn. the closer somebody is the more adrenaline the harder it is to keep yourself under control. This is a situation that I hope I'll never have to face.

As a matter of fact, every day that I put on my peice I throw up a short prayer that I don't ever HAVE to use it.

Gabob · 03-01-2006, 09:33 PM

From personal experience I can testify that shooting at an armed adversary is nothing like shooting at an unarmed target. The tendency is to put front sight on target and drop rear of firearm to get better view causing a high shot. There is a man who survived because I did that. The adage"Hold low in a gunfight" is true.

pickenup · 03-02-2006, 01:04 AM

Won’t have to feed him, cloth him, house him, educate him, etc….
So, what’s the problem.

Good job victim, that is what CCW is all about.

Bruce FLinch · 03-04-2006, 08:13 PM

7 shots & the bad guy is dead. The bad guy pulled the gun first. Seven shots is a lot less than most Police shootouts.

Chalk up one for us good guys!

03-01-2006, 07:27 AM	#1
satellite66 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Central NJ Posts: 2,068	Man shoots robber Maybe I'm just cynical but the article seems to focus more on the actions of the victim than the robber. Police: Man Shoots, Kills Person Trying To Rob Him POSTED: 10:45 am EST February 28, 2006 UPDATED: 5:54 pm EST February 28, 2006 MIAMI -- A man shot and killed another man trying to rob him at a gas station early Tuesday morning, according to Miami-Dade County police. Police said the victim was approached by an armed man at a BP gas station on West Dixie Highway at about 4 a.m. Gas station employees said the robber was a 22-year-old man who went by the street name "S.P." A witness said S.P. came into the parking lot, saw the victim wearing a gold chain, pulled a gun and demanded that he hand over the chain, NBC 6's Jeff Burnside reported. The victim was also carrying a gun. Police said he shot and killed the robber during a confrontation. Police found evidence that bullets were flying everywhere, from both the robber's and the victim's guns. The gas station owner, Cesar Gaiton, said a cashier counted at least seven shots, some of which hit the food store. "She was screaming. When she called me, I said, 'Hello.' She was screaming, 'Somebody shot somebody in his face,'" Gaiton said. "From what we gather at this point is that he did have a permit for the firearm. He did utilize the firearm, at this point, from what it seems, in self-defense. But, that's why the interview process and all the information gathering remains the same, like any other case," said Alvaro Zabaleta, of the Miami-Dade County police. The victim was taken to Miami-Dade Police Department for questioning. Detectives believe the robbery attempt was random and the shooting was apparently in self-defense. An investigation continues. Link __________________ “Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not” — Thomas Jefferson. "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." - Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948 -->

03-01-2006, 09:26 AM	#2
358 winchester TFF Admin Staff Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Pensacola Fl. area Posts: 7,335	Re: Man shoots robber I think that the man needs more practice I believe that if I shot some one in the face there would only be one side of THAT STORY EVER TOLD Ron Think I will stop by the range and shoot more often __________________ Administrator & Owner RangeDay.com Proud, White, Heterosexual, Gun Owning, Southern American, Christian. Any question about where I stand?

03-01-2006, 10:21 AM	#3
JohnK3 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,636	Re: Man shoots robber Ummm....read it again, 358. The 'victim' is the guy who killed the robber.

03-01-2006, 10:43 AM	#4
358 winchester TFF Admin Staff Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Pensacola Fl. area Posts: 7,335	Re: Man shoots robber but seven shots, I know some came from the robber but still seven shots? __________________ Administrator & Owner RangeDay.com Proud, White, Heterosexual, Gun Owning, Southern American, Christian. Any question about where I stand?

03-01-2006, 11:06 AM	#5
HiPowerKid V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: NW FL Posts: 202	Re: Man shoots robber Well we don't know his level of expertise and when someone shoves a gun in your face the old adrenaline pump starts pumping and that may affect one's aim. Sure hope it doesn't happen to me, but I hope I'm prepared enough to handle it should the occasion arise. Boy, when that buzzer goes off at our local match I know my heart starts to pumpin'! but someone's not shooting at me either. __________________ F R E E E E E E D O O O M M M M!

03-01-2006, 11:17 AM	#6
MnHunter Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 40	Re: Man shoots robber May I add close quarter combat situations as this one appears to be is alot harder then one thinks til you are in the situation. It is easier to shoot someone at a further distance then it is to shoot someone standing in your face. Just what the military taught me.

03-01-2006, 11:38 AM	#7
berto64 VMBB Admin Staff Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Owyhee County, Idaho Contributor Posts: 7,394	Re: Man shoots robber They didn't specify who's shots went wild either now, did they? Calm down and wait for the Facts folks. It's easier on the blood pressure. __________________ Be who you are & say what you will, Those that matter won't mind and those that mind don't matter. I'm a bitter clinger, One Nation Under God.

03-01-2006, 01:44 PM	#8
358 winchester TFF Admin Staff Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Pensacola Fl. area Posts: 7,335	Re: Man shoots robber yes daddy __________________ Administrator & Owner RangeDay.com Proud, White, Heterosexual, Gun Owning, Southern American, Christian. Any question about where I stand?

03-01-2006, 09:32 PM	#9
Marlin T Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: New Mexico Posts: 7,857	Re: Man shoots robber Seven shots isn't that many. Three from one guy and four from the other, or something like that. In tactical situations I learned that it is two to the chest and one to the head. I'll have to agree with Mn. the closer somebody is the more adrenaline the harder it is to keep yourself under control. This is a situation that I hope I'll never have to face. As a matter of fact, every day that I put on my peice I throw up a short prayer that I don't ever HAVE to use it. __________________ "But the simple truth--born of experience--is that tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people." Judge Alex Kozinski - United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government. - Thomas Paine Did you read todays GOOD shooting? >>>KEEPANDBEARARMS.COM <<<

03-01-2006, 09:33 PM	#10
Gabob Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: SW GA CSA Posts: 1,162	Re: Man shoots robber From personal experience I can testify that shooting at an armed adversary is nothing like shooting at an unarmed target. The tendency is to put front sight on target and drop rear of firearm to get better view causing a high shot. There is a man who survived because I did that. The adage"Hold low in a gunfight" is true. __________________ NRA Endowment Member Keep Your Powder Dry

03-02-2006, 01:04 AM	#11
pickenup Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains Posts: 6,841	Re: Man shoots robber Won’t have to feed him, cloth him, house him, educate him, etc…. So, what’s the problem. Good job victim, that is what CCW is all about. __________________ The gene pool needs chlorine

03-04-2006, 08:13 PM	#12
Bruce FLinch Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bay Point, Kali..aka Gun Point Posts: 5,016	Re: Man shoots robber 7 shots & the bad guy is dead. The bad guy pulled the gun first. Seven shots is a lot less than most Police shootouts. Chalk up one for us good guys! __________________ A bad day @ the Range, is better than a good day @ work.