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Barry, Gibbs and Brennan wrong again. Diaper bomber
Obama Officials Wrong on Padilla
BY Thomas Joscelyn
February 11, 2010 8:35 PM
During an interview on MSNBC Thursday morning, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs defended the Obama administration’s handling of Christmas Day bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab. Gibbs argued that the administration was right to treat Abdulmutallab as a criminal defendant, instead of as an enemy combatant. “Just because you make somebody an enemy combatant [it] doesn’t make them talk,” Gibbs argued. He then pointed to an example from the Bush years to supposedly support his point.
“Jose Padilla was made an enemy combatant so that we could get him to talk,” Gibbs said. “And guess what happened when we made him an enemy combatant, he didn't talk. He did talk when he was transferred back into a civilian court.”
President Obama’s top counterterrorism adviser, John Brennan, made the same point on Tuesday in an op-ed for USA Today. Brennan argued: “Terrorists such as Jose Padilla and Saleh al-Mari did not cooperate when transferred to military custody, which can harden one's determination to resist cooperation.”
Brennan and Gibbs are wrong. In fact, Jose Padilla only started cooperating once he was transferred into the military’s custody and interrogated.
Jose Padilla was arrested at Chicago’s O’Hare International Airport on May 8, 2002. At the time, U.S. authorities had multiple reasons to be suspicious of him. Most importantly, senior al Qaeda operative Abu Zubaydah had been taken into custody in late March 2002 and provided information to authorities that led to the identification of both Padilla and his would-be accomplice, Binyam Mohamed. The two were identified as al Qaeda recruits who had been tasked with a mission inside the U.S.--namely, an attack on a high-rise apartment building.
Thus, when Padilla was initially detained by the FBI in May 2002 authorities knew he was up to no good. The FBI questioned Padilla for several hours but got nowhere. A copy of the FBI’s 302 memo written after the initial questioning of Padilla shows that al Qaeda’s man gave the bureau nothing. Padilla talked about his personal history but said nothing about his real intentions or his nefarious friends.
FBI agent Russell Fincher has testified that the Bureau initially sought Padilla’s cooperation in stopping an impending al Qaeda attack. “I believed there was a terrorist act that was going to happen. I believed he had knowledge of that. I needed his help,” Fincher explained. “I didn't want to arrest him.”
The FBI even offered to put Padilla up in a hotel so they could continue their conversation. But when the agents tried to turn the conversation towards Padilla’s al Qaeda ties, he shut down the interview. “He stood up and told me the interview was over and it was time for him to go,” Fincher recalled during testimony.
Padilla was then read a Miranda warning, arrested on a material witness warrant and transferred to the Metropolitan Correctional Center (MCC) in New York.
There he stayed for one month without giving up anything of importance to the FBI. During that time, as Bill Burck (former deputy counsel to President Bush) and Dana Perino (former press secretary to President Bush) explain at National Review Online, the Bush administration weighed its options, ultimately deciding to designate Padilla an enemy combatant. After Padilla was transferred to the brig on June 9, 2002, the leading newspapers noted the chief reason for the move: Padilla wasn’t cooperating with authorities.
“Officials said Padilla has refused to cooperate since his arrest,” the Los Angeles Times reported. The New York Times elaborated: “Officials have justified his detention [in military custody] by saying he is considered to be an enemy combatant. He has refused to cooperate with the authorities who have questioned him.”
And the Washington Post gave this summary on June 12:
[Padilla]'s unwillingness to cooperate with authorities was the primary factor in his transfer to military custody, the officials said. One official said [Padilla] repeatedly resisted the efforts of FBI agents and representatives of the U.S. attorney's office to interview him, both through his lawyer and at least once in a face-to-face meeting inside the MCC.Padilla would ultimately talk. But, contrary to Gibbs and Brennan, it wasn’t until he was placed in the military’s custody--not when he was returned to the civilian court system.
On June 1, 2004, the Defense Department released a memo summarizing what was known about Padilla both before and after he was transferred into the military’s custody. The second page of the memo contains two paragraphs concerning what authorities had learned about Padilla up until June 9, 2002, the day he was transferred into the military’s custody. As the aforementioned press accounts make clear, authorities had garnered no information from Padilla himself. The DoD cited “intelligence information” and “our information” but no admissions by Padilla. Nearly all of the information on Padilla up until that point came from other al Qaeda detainees and sources.
The memo then reads: “Since that time [June 9, 2002], additional and more detailed intelligence information about Jose Padilla has been developed and made available in unclassified form.”
That additional information includes several pages of unclassified intelligence, including a number of admissions by Padilla, which were corroborated by other detainees.
Here are just some of the admissions Padilla made while in military custody:
Padilla has admitted that he attended the al Qaeda-affiliated al Farouq training camp in Afghanistan in September-October 2000 under the name Abdullah Al-Espani. …Again, these are just some of the admissions that Padilla made while in the military’s custody. There are more unclassified admissions as well as undoubtedly some that still remain classified.
During his initial interview with the FBI, Padilla wouldn’t even admit that he traveled into Afghanistan. Once in the military’s custody, Padilla admitted that he conspired with some of the most senior al Qaeda operatives of all-time to attack the American homeland after 9/11 from Afghan and Pakistani soil.
Now, of course, Padilla’s admissions were not admissible in a court of law. As Andy McCarthy points out, Padilla was convicted on lesser charges that had nothing to do with his plotting against residential high-rise apartments inside the U.S. But the Bush administration determined that it would have been difficult to prosecute Padilla any way. As the Washington Post reported on June 11, 2002, there were real concerns about the admissibility of the evidence that had then been amassed against Padilla. Some of it came from interrogations outside of the criminal justice system. This evidence included sensitive intelligence from al Qaeda masters that our intelligence professionals needed to do their job, and there was a real risk that it could have been exposed in the court system.
Moreover, as Burck and Perino explain, “The only way to get [Padilla] to talk as a criminal defendant would have been to cut him a plea deal for a lower sentence, and he would have had the right to stop talking any time he wished.” Given that Padilla had already proven to be so uncooperative, he probably would stopped talking pretty quickly--if he ever decided to start talking in the first place.
Here we reach the critical distinction between collecting evidence for a prosecution and collecting intelligence for fighting a war. We know that Padilla was here in May 2002 to carry out al Qaeda’s bidding. Padilla and multiple other al Qaeda detainees have confirmed Padilla’s role. But while Padilla was in the FBI’s custody for one month, we did not learn anything at all about Padilla’s plotting from the terrorist himself. Authorities did not complete the puzzle until he was interrogated in the military’s custody.
The Obama administration has noted this week that not every situation is identical, and each case requires independent evaluation. That’s true--sometimes the FBI does get terrorists to talk. But administration officials can’t make up their own version of Padilla’s story while ignoring all of the facts that are in opposition to it. And the administration certainly should not be citing Jose Padilla’s interrogations as a justification for how they handled Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab.
If anything, Jose Padilla's case shows why the Obama administration’s approach can be woefully inadequate.
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|02-14-2010, 02:53 AM||#2|
Join Date: Jan 2010
Re: Barry, Gibbs and Brennan wrong again. Diaper bomber
oh they cant be wrong just ask em about all the real terrorists out there,
the tom clancy readers
the folks who dont vote for Bo Bo
those worried about illegal immigrants
those worried about unfair taxes
and people who have a vote for XXXX ( not obama) bumper sticker on thier cars
this crew makes up what ever they feel like
thier veiws dont refer to facts, just thier way of seeing the facts
and its way different that the way we all see facts , cause we aint spin doctors
and when they get thier goosestepping way we will all be terrorists and people like the faiiled bomber s will be state governors or prison guards over us or heads of government departments ala george orwells department of peace and dept. of love and dept of truth..
welcome to the new world order, what you and i call lies and spin they call facts
|02-14-2010, 11:03 AM||#3|
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Re: Barry, Gibbs and Brennan wrong again. Diaper bomber
Now if we can just get 90% of the Obama administration declared enemy combatants.
Psalm 12 verse 8: The wicked walk on every side when the vilest men are exalted.