Showdowm averted at sunrise... - The Firearms Forum

Shizamus · 09-18-2003, 11:48 PM

HORTON BAY - An armed confrontation in Bay Township over property rights was averted today when Charlevoix County Sheriff George T. Lasater held a sunrise meeting with Lyle Barkley and his daughter, Kim, on the edge of their property and promised not to take any action today to
enforce a court order against them.

Lasater agreed to set up a meeting next week with the Barkleys, county prosecutor Mary Beth Kur,
township and county officials, and Norman Olson, a senior adviser to the Michigan Militia Corps
Wolverines and a pastor, to attempt to resolve the issues peacefully.

Barkley said he was satisfied with Lasater's offer of a meeting and promise not to take action against
him. But he vowed that if no permanent resolution of the issues could be found and the county
attempted to remove three disputed housing units, he would defend his property, his wife, Shirley,
two children and six grandchildren living on the property, with arms.

Olson, who lives in Alanson, attended the hour-long meeting on Camp Daggett Road to support the
Barkleys and act as an intermediary. The only other people at the roadside meeting were a sheriff's
deputy, members of the media and Kim Barkley's fiancé, Charles McClure, 32.

Barkley and Olson said they were satisfied with today's meeting. "It bought us valuable time," Olson
said.

Olson said he could not speak for the Michigan Militia or other groups which have vowed to send
hundreds of armed members from around the country to the Barkley property should a
confrontation occur.

"My advice to the militia is to hold off and look for the miracle that I know is going to happen,"
Olson said.

Clint Dare, the commander of the Michigan Militia who initiated the meeting with Lasater, failed to
appear as scheduled as a result of car problems on his trip from southern Michigan to the Barkley
property.

The dispute drew national attention when Barkley declared last week that he would not move three
manufactured housing units from his property, as demanded by township zoning officials backed by
a district court order.

On Wednesday, District Judge Richard May waived the appeal bond, which amounted to $7,800
today and was set to increase by $100 a day, because all three of the Barkleys had filed an affidavit
of indigency.

At the same time, circuit judge Richard Pajtas waived the $100 filing fee for the Barkleys to appeal
May's order to remove two 12-by-60 foot trailers and a 29-by-34 foot former portable school
house from his property by the end of today.

Janet Potter, the district court administrator, said further legal action against Barkley pursuant to
May's Aug. 28 enforcement order was in the hands of township officials.

She said the township would have to hire movers to remove the disputed housing, and any arrest
would have to come from a petition from the township officials to Judge May to issue a warrant for
Barkley's arrest.

At the roadside meeting today, Olson asked Lasater if Judge Pajtas "was eager to get this thing
settled, just as we are?"

"I think he will do what he can within his realm of responsibilities, but he will do his job, just as I will
do my job," Lasater said.

Olson said, "I've said for the last several days that you're the key individual. You have the ultimate
decision here, not the judge, not the court, as the highest law keeper in the land.

"If you have an unconstitutional order before you, you have the right to either set it aside and say
'There's something wrong with justice here.' You need to look at it again."

"My question to you is if this comes to a worst case conclusion, can you look back and say it was
worth it all and you just did your duty? Can you rest for the rest of your life with that on your
record?" Olson asked.

Lasater responded: "I can simply say that's not going to happen as far as we're concerned. That
scenario will not happen. We have reasonable people here, including Lyle, and I think that if we sit
down we can hopefully come to some conclusion."

Turning to Barkley, he said: "You agree you're not going to be arrested. You have my word on that.
I suggest we set up another meeting, somewhere that's mutual in agreement."

Olson told Barkley: "If he's a man of his word, I will say I trust him as far as what he says before this
listening audience here."

Barkley responded: "I'm willing to work this thing out, and have been willing to work it out
peacefully all along."

Lasater said, "We're not going to instigate anything."

Olson said: "It's what you say and what you do and what the law enforcement people do and what
the government officials do - that will determine the response of people who are supporting Mr.
Barkley.

"And so we are reactive, responsive, defensive. We are not going to initiate anything that's going to
cause these people to be in harm's way, any more than they are already."

Barkley said he had changed his views on the role of prosecutor Kur in resolving the dispute.

"When I spoke to her the other night I got some sad news back and I was kind of irritated and I told
her at that time I didn't think that she had the power to work with me, and she'd had three months to
get into this thing, because the building department is involved, and Charlevoix County in this.

"But now my attorneys tell me she does have a lot more power than I expected, so maybe we can
get together with her and can get some of this stuff resolved," he said.

Barkley said he was working to bring the three housing units up to code, and had nearly completed
one major element, replacing aluminum electrical wiring with copper

Shizamus · 09-19-2003, 12:09 PM

SPECIAL EDITION:

Subject: Pact Application and SCUM MILITIAS WHO ARE AFRAID TO DEFEND

Rick Stanley, Constitutional Activist, former U.S. Senate candidate, Enemy of
the State, and self avowed extremist on the order of our forefathers of America,
gave the following media release for your use:

STANLEY NOTE: New Pact Member who brings us to 694 strong now. By the way, for
everyone in the Pact, we will not PARTNER with any Militia groups that have not
joined the Pact and made the committment to the Pact, because of the conduct of
the Michigan Militias in the Barkley incident. There were 4 separate Militias
who had committed to be there, BEFORE the sheriff arrived and all week they
kept saying they were coming, and the only one who came was Norm Olson, the
Senior Advisor to one of the Michigan Militias. These Militias and others
spread malicious rumors about the Pact and Rick Stanley, tried to convince the
Barkleys that the so called:"advice" we were giving was going to get them
killed, and they were dishonest and not forthright the entire time. A few so
called "Militia Commanders" from across the US called me and threatened me about
the way I was handling the Barkley situation. I informed each of them that
while they had frightened me greatly, their concerns could be shoved up their
backsides, because Pact operations were none of their damn business. You can
please pass this along to anyone you know. One idiot from Texas was a total
moron, name of James. He threatened me to never come to TEXAS. I am sure the 25
Pact members from Texas will get a chuckle about that one. I just wanted James
to know that if a Pact member is attacked in Texas, I and the Pact will indeed
come, and if I run into him I will gladly give him the opportunity to do what he
ran his mouth off about. It will be an absolute pleasure.

The Pact was prepared and ready to go if our Pact member Barkley was indeed
attacked and created a standoff. We could have had 20 to 25 Pact members there
within a few hours from Michigan and surrounding states, each hour after that
Pact members would have been arriving from across America until our full
contingent was there within three days maximum.

A lot of so called militia were coming out of the woodwork collecting their
government paychecks as provacatuers, disinformation artists, and undercover
agents, including a lot of Michigan people calling themselves Commanders and the
like. The Barkleys have not been attacked by the government and it was because
of the efforts of the Pact members from across America sending in letters,
e-mails, phone calls etc to government officials in Michigan, not to mention the
Stanley Scoop subscribers who did as well, to inform them that any attack
against the Barkleys would be repeled by the Barkleys initial defense and we
would come to his defense shortly therafter from across the country. They
backed down because of that and only that, as well as the negotiating skills of
Norm Olson on site. I know now, why Rainbow Farms happened in Michigan a few
years back and Grover Croslin was murdered by government snipers along with his
neighbor. I know now, why Scott Woodring was murdered in Fremont, Michigan this
past summer by police agents. The blame rests squarely on the Militias of
Michigan and the government agents who are so willing to murder anyone who gets
in their way of domination of Americans. The Militias of Michigan are an
illusion and will never defend anyone in Michigan. That has been proven three
incidents in a row.

Regarding the Barkleys: While we have stood down from the PRELIMINARY Alert, we
can reinstate that alert quickly. We can call an emergency alert and be on the
road in an hour, PACTWIDE in America. This is a warning to the Charlevoix
County Government and please pass this on to them folks. Do not betray your
committment to the Barkleys to work this out in a Constitutional manner. If you
fail, the Pact will not and we will come and defend the Barkleys. We are
autonomous from the Michigan Militias and 694 times more deadly. Do not doubt
our resolve. Do not doubt OUR committment to the Barkleys and the US
Constitution.

We will defend to the death and yes, there will be much of it the day we have to
defend any Pact member. Know that. Think real hard on that. None of us wants
to come to a defense of a Pact member, but we are sworn by oath, an oath to God,
and witnessed by Rick Stanley to respond to our Pact brethren.

One issue that also came up. Some folks don't believe we have 694 members
across America. Some say that there are not enough Americans willing to stand
up for their rights and the US Constitution. Fools. One day, a government
agency will decide to test us. On that day, history will be made, and the dead
will fill the cemetaries of that community. The Pact doesn't want this. We
want government that STAYS within the boundries of the US Constitution.
Remember that, the day it happens.

Last night, we got to breathe a sigh of relief, that we did not have to go to
Michigan and defend our Pact member. We were prepared and ready to go. We got
rid of three government agents who were provacatuers as well. We discovered a
few that did not wish to be in the Pact when it came down to the wire. They
decided to leave for personal reasons. I urge you all to revisit your
committment and prepare for the next Alert and have the right frame of mind to
be able to act, when called. If you cannot, you must revisit your committment
and if you cannot follow through with that committment without good reason, such
as, being out of town, unable to be released from your job, death in the family,
or no one to watch your kids if you left for a week, etc, you must resign. No
one will know unless you wish to make it known. Your reasons are yours alone.
The rest of you in the Pact: Thank you for your efforts in this last Alert.
The country was squarely behind us and made lots of contacts with those in
government warning them not to violate our Pact members constitutional rights or
the Pact would come and were prepared to use force of arms. Once again folks,
that is all the thugs in govcernment understand anymore. The threat will be
carried out and we are in the right and within the Constitution to do so. They
are wrong and know it. They know their unconstitutional actions will not hold
up under the microscope of scrutiny from across the country. The people will
end unconstitutional government in exactly this way, each and every day in
America in the future. It is now time to recruit. It is time to tell people
what we are all about and about our successes. It is time to have tens of
thousands of Americans in the Pact across the lower 48 states of America.
Download some information sheets and applications from the website at
www.stanley2002.org and RECRUIT.

1952Sniper · 09-19-2003, 12:57 PM

WOW!

Two words come to mind: paranoid schizophrenic.

Rather than saying "I disagreed with the Michigan Militias", he is spouting a bunch of name-calling. And he is accusing anyone who disagrees with him of being "provacatuers, disinformation artists, and undercover agents".

If the militia movement is ever going to become reputable, people like Rick Stanley need to be gotten rid of. He is not helping anything.

09-19-2003, 04:52 PM

It's disturbing that he would mention Rainbow Farm and the Milita in the same sentence ...

Quote:

I know now, why Rainbow Farms happened in Michigan a few years back and Grover Croslin was murdered by government snipers along with his neighbor.

It's been just 2-years, and those guys took-up arms by shooting at a local news helicopter.

Shiz, thanks for the update, it's unfortunate that Norm Olsen has the likes of Rick Stanley spinning his anti-goverment rhetoric.

09-18-2003, 11:48 PM	#1
Shizamus Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Vermont Posts: 891	Showdowm averted at sunrise... HORTON BAY - An armed confrontation in Bay Township over property rights was averted today when Charlevoix County Sheriff George T. Lasater held a sunrise meeting with Lyle Barkley and his daughter, Kim, on the edge of their property and promised not to take any action today to enforce a court order against them. Lasater agreed to set up a meeting next week with the Barkleys, county prosecutor Mary Beth Kur, township and county officials, and Norman Olson, a senior adviser to the Michigan Militia Corps Wolverines and a pastor, to attempt to resolve the issues peacefully. Barkley said he was satisfied with Lasater's offer of a meeting and promise not to take action against him. But he vowed that if no permanent resolution of the issues could be found and the county attempted to remove three disputed housing units, he would defend his property, his wife, Shirley, two children and six grandchildren living on the property, with arms. Olson, who lives in Alanson, attended the hour-long meeting on Camp Daggett Road to support the Barkleys and act as an intermediary. The only other people at the roadside meeting were a sheriff's deputy, members of the media and Kim Barkley's fiancé, Charles McClure, 32. Barkley and Olson said they were satisfied with today's meeting. "It bought us valuable time," Olson said. Olson said he could not speak for the Michigan Militia or other groups which have vowed to send hundreds of armed members from around the country to the Barkley property should a confrontation occur. "My advice to the militia is to hold off and look for the miracle that I know is going to happen," Olson said. Clint Dare, the commander of the Michigan Militia who initiated the meeting with Lasater, failed to appear as scheduled as a result of car problems on his trip from southern Michigan to the Barkley property. The dispute drew national attention when Barkley declared last week that he would not move three manufactured housing units from his property, as demanded by township zoning officials backed by a district court order. On Wednesday, District Judge Richard May waived the appeal bond, which amounted to $7,800 today and was set to increase by $100 a day, because all three of the Barkleys had filed an affidavit of indigency. At the same time, circuit judge Richard Pajtas waived the $100 filing fee for the Barkleys to appeal May's order to remove two 12-by-60 foot trailers and a 29-by-34 foot former portable school house from his property by the end of today. Janet Potter, the district court administrator, said further legal action against Barkley pursuant to May's Aug. 28 enforcement order was in the hands of township officials. She said the township would have to hire movers to remove the disputed housing, and any arrest would have to come from a petition from the township officials to Judge May to issue a warrant for Barkley's arrest. At the roadside meeting today, Olson asked Lasater if Judge Pajtas "was eager to get this thing settled, just as we are?" "I think he will do what he can within his realm of responsibilities, but he will do his job, just as I will do my job," Lasater said. Olson said, "I've said for the last several days that you're the key individual. You have the ultimate decision here, not the judge, not the court, as the highest law keeper in the land. "If you have an unconstitutional order before you, you have the right to either set it aside and say 'There's something wrong with justice here.' You need to look at it again." "My question to you is if this comes to a worst case conclusion, can you look back and say it was worth it all and you just did your duty? Can you rest for the rest of your life with that on your record?" Olson asked. Lasater responded: "I can simply say that's not going to happen as far as we're concerned. That scenario will not happen. We have reasonable people here, including Lyle, and I think that if we sit down we can hopefully come to some conclusion." Turning to Barkley, he said: "You agree you're not going to be arrested. You have my word on that. I suggest we set up another meeting, somewhere that's mutual in agreement." Olson told Barkley: "If he's a man of his word, I will say I trust him as far as what he says before this listening audience here." Barkley responded: "I'm willing to work this thing out, and have been willing to work it out peacefully all along." Lasater said, "We're not going to instigate anything." Olson said: "It's what you say and what you do and what the law enforcement people do and what the government officials do - that will determine the response of people who are supporting Mr. Barkley. "And so we are reactive, responsive, defensive. We are not going to initiate anything that's going to cause these people to be in harm's way, any more than they are already." Barkley said he had changed his views on the role of prosecutor Kur in resolving the dispute. "When I spoke to her the other night I got some sad news back and I was kind of irritated and I told her at that time I didn't think that she had the power to work with me, and she'd had three months to get into this thing, because the building department is involved, and Charlevoix County in this. "But now my attorneys tell me she does have a lot more power than I expected, so maybe we can get together with her and can get some of this stuff resolved," he said. Barkley said he was working to bring the three housing units up to code, and had nearly completed one major element, replacing aluminum electrical wiring with copper __________________ “The Matrix is a system, Neo, and that system is our enemy. When you are inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters, the very minds we are trying to save. Until we do, these people are part of that system and that makes them our enemies. You have to understand that most of these people are not ready to be unplugged and many are so hopelessly dependent on the system, they’ll fight to protect it. “The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us. Even in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work, when you go to church, when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.” - Morpheus, in the movie, “The Matrix” -->

09-19-2003, 12:09 PM	#2
Shizamus Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Vermont Posts: 891	SPECIAL EDITION: Subject: Pact Application and SCUM MILITIAS WHO ARE AFRAID TO DEFEND Rick Stanley, Constitutional Activist, former U.S. Senate candidate, Enemy of the State, and self avowed extremist on the order of our forefathers of America, gave the following media release for your use: STANLEY NOTE: New Pact Member who brings us to 694 strong now. By the way, for everyone in the Pact, we will not PARTNER with any Militia groups that have not joined the Pact and made the committment to the Pact, because of the conduct of the Michigan Militias in the Barkley incident. There were 4 separate Militias who had committed to be there, BEFORE the sheriff arrived and all week they kept saying they were coming, and the only one who came was Norm Olson, the Senior Advisor to one of the Michigan Militias. These Militias and others spread malicious rumors about the Pact and Rick Stanley, tried to convince the Barkleys that the so called:"advice" we were giving was going to get them killed, and they were dishonest and not forthright the entire time. A few so called "Militia Commanders" from across the US called me and threatened me about the way I was handling the Barkley situation. I informed each of them that while they had frightened me greatly, their concerns could be shoved up their backsides, because Pact operations were none of their damn business. You can please pass this along to anyone you know. One idiot from Texas was a total moron, name of James. He threatened me to never come to TEXAS. I am sure the 25 Pact members from Texas will get a chuckle about that one. I just wanted James to know that if a Pact member is attacked in Texas, I and the Pact will indeed come, and if I run into him I will gladly give him the opportunity to do what he ran his mouth off about. It will be an absolute pleasure. The Pact was prepared and ready to go if our Pact member Barkley was indeed attacked and created a standoff. We could have had 20 to 25 Pact members there within a few hours from Michigan and surrounding states, each hour after that Pact members would have been arriving from across America until our full contingent was there within three days maximum. A lot of so called militia were coming out of the woodwork collecting their government paychecks as provacatuers, disinformation artists, and undercover agents, including a lot of Michigan people calling themselves Commanders and the like. The Barkleys have not been attacked by the government and it was because of the efforts of the Pact members from across America sending in letters, e-mails, phone calls etc to government officials in Michigan, not to mention the Stanley Scoop subscribers who did as well, to inform them that any attack against the Barkleys would be repeled by the Barkleys initial defense and we would come to his defense shortly therafter from across the country. They backed down because of that and only that, as well as the negotiating skills of Norm Olson on site. I know now, why Rainbow Farms happened in Michigan a few years back and Grover Croslin was murdered by government snipers along with his neighbor. I know now, why Scott Woodring was murdered in Fremont, Michigan this past summer by police agents. The blame rests squarely on the Militias of Michigan and the government agents who are so willing to murder anyone who gets in their way of domination of Americans. The Militias of Michigan are an illusion and will never defend anyone in Michigan. That has been proven three incidents in a row. Regarding the Barkleys: While we have stood down from the PRELIMINARY Alert, we can reinstate that alert quickly. We can call an emergency alert and be on the road in an hour, PACTWIDE in America. This is a warning to the Charlevoix County Government and please pass this on to them folks. Do not betray your committment to the Barkleys to work this out in a Constitutional manner. If you fail, the Pact will not and we will come and defend the Barkleys. We are autonomous from the Michigan Militias and 694 times more deadly. Do not doubt our resolve. Do not doubt OUR committment to the Barkleys and the US Constitution. We will defend to the death and yes, there will be much of it the day we have to defend any Pact member. Know that. Think real hard on that. None of us wants to come to a defense of a Pact member, but we are sworn by oath, an oath to God, and witnessed by Rick Stanley to respond to our Pact brethren. One issue that also came up. Some folks don't believe we have 694 members across America. Some say that there are not enough Americans willing to stand up for their rights and the US Constitution. Fools. One day, a government agency will decide to test us. On that day, history will be made, and the dead will fill the cemetaries of that community. The Pact doesn't want this. We want government that STAYS within the boundries of the US Constitution. Remember that, the day it happens. Last night, we got to breathe a sigh of relief, that we did not have to go to Michigan and defend our Pact member. We were prepared and ready to go. We got rid of three government agents who were provacatuers as well. We discovered a few that did not wish to be in the Pact when it came down to the wire. They decided to leave for personal reasons. I urge you all to revisit your committment and prepare for the next Alert and have the right frame of mind to be able to act, when called. If you cannot, you must revisit your committment and if you cannot follow through with that committment without good reason, such as, being out of town, unable to be released from your job, death in the family, or no one to watch your kids if you left for a week, etc, you must resign. No one will know unless you wish to make it known. Your reasons are yours alone. The rest of you in the Pact: Thank you for your efforts in this last Alert. The country was squarely behind us and made lots of contacts with those in government warning them not to violate our Pact members constitutional rights or the Pact would come and were prepared to use force of arms. Once again folks, that is all the thugs in govcernment understand anymore. The threat will be carried out and we are in the right and within the Constitution to do so. They are wrong and know it. They know their unconstitutional actions will not hold up under the microscope of scrutiny from across the country. The people will end unconstitutional government in exactly this way, each and every day in America in the future. It is now time to recruit. It is time to tell people what we are all about and about our successes. It is time to have tens of thousands of Americans in the Pact across the lower 48 states of America. Download some information sheets and applications from the website at www.stanley2002.org and RECRUIT. __________________ “The Matrix is a system, Neo, and that system is our enemy. When you are inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters, the very minds we are trying to save. Until we do, these people are part of that system and that makes them our enemies. You have to understand that most of these people are not ready to be unplugged and many are so hopelessly dependent on the system, they’ll fight to protect it. “The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us. Even in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work, when you go to church, when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.” - Morpheus, in the movie, “The Matrix”

09-19-2003, 12:57 PM	#3
1952Sniper Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 5,138	WOW! Two words come to mind: paranoid schizophrenic. Rather than saying "I disagreed with the Michigan Militias", he is spouting a bunch of name-calling. And he is accusing anyone who disagrees with him of being "provacatuers, disinformation artists, and undercover agents". If the militia movement is ever going to become reputable, people like Rick Stanley need to be gotten rid of. He is not helping anything.