Rape 'impossible' in marriage, says Muslim cleric - The Firearms Forum

jack404 · 11-22-2010, 03:24 AM

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...c-2106161.html

A senior Muslim cleric who runs the country's largest network of sharia courts has sparked controversy by claiming that there is no such thing as rape within marriage.

Sheikh Maulana Abu Sayeed, president of the Islamic Sharia Council in Britain, said that men who rape their wives should not be prosecuted because "sex is part of marriage". And he claimed that many married women who alleged rape were lying.

His comments have angered senior police officers, who say that such statements undermine the work they do to encourage women to report rape, a notoriously under-reported crime.

Sheikh Sayeed made the comments in an interview with the blog The Samosa, before reiterating them later when contacted by The Independent.

He told the website: "Clearly there cannot be any rape within the marriage. Maybe aggression, maybe indecent activity... Because when they got married, the understanding was that sexual intercourse was part of the marriage, so there cannot be anything against sex in marriage. Of course, if it happened without her desire, that is no good, that is not desirable."

Later he told this newspaper: "In Islamic sharia, rape is adultery by force. So long as the woman is his wife, it cannot be termed as rape. It is reprehensible, but we do not call it rape."

British law was changed in 1991, making rape within marriage illegal.

Dave Whatton, Chief Constable of Cheshire and spokesman on rape for the Association of Chief Police Officers, said: "We know that the majority of rapes do not take place through strangers attacking women late at night but between acquaintances and within marriages and partnerships.

"It is a fundamental principle that sharia law should not replace the laws of the UK. Putting out views that rape can be dealt with in another way fundamentally undermines everything we are trying to do."

The cleric's comments come just days after Germaine Greer suggested that rape victims should name and shame their attackers online instead of reporting it to the police.

Mr Whatton added: "The comments of Sheikh Sayeed and Germaine Greer suggest there are other ways of dealing with rape. If that happens, victims of rape do not get the medical and counselling support they need to overcome this traumatic experience – and we are not in a position to effectively prosecute offenders."

In the interview on the website, Sheikh Sayeed suggests that women who claim to have been raped by their husbands should not immediately go to the police, saying: "Not in the beginning, unless we establish that it really happened. Because in most of the cases, wives... have been advised by their solicitors that one of the four reasons for which a wife can get a divorce is rape, so they are encouraged to say things like this."

Sheikh Sayeed said the Islamic Sharia Council had only dealt with two or three cases of rape since the arbitration tribunal was founded in 1982. Asked about how men who are found to have forced themselves upon their wives were punished, he explained: "He may be disciplined, and he may be made to ask forgiveness. That should be enough."

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So says the head Cleric of the UK who is a advisor to CAIR in the USA ...

Gun Geezer · 11-22-2010, 09:10 AM

Sharia law can say white is black and black is white if it makes them feel better. But any law that is based wholly on religious fanaticism and masochistic flim-flam will never fly here and our PC elected idiots need to wake-up and smell the coffee.

Kent Detective · 11-22-2010, 09:22 AM

You're looking at our future as mapped out and agreed by the Liberal elite!

Don't doubt it either, it's already started here in the UK thanks to idiots like Tony Blair and other anti-British white hating traitor politicians.

If you are middle class and white you are scum in their eyes.

308 at my gate · 11-22-2010, 10:51 AM

These people are looney tunes and that kind of behavior will never fly in this country.

Jeff Midguard · 11-22-2010, 12:58 PM

If we provided muslim women with daggers, perhaps it would be a little less possible.

11-22-2010, 03:24 AM	#1
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Rape 'impossible' in marriage, says Muslim cleric http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...c-2106161.html A senior Muslim cleric who runs the country's largest network of sharia courts has sparked controversy by claiming that there is no such thing as rape within marriage. Sheikh Maulana Abu Sayeed, president of the Islamic Sharia Council in Britain, said that men who rape their wives should not be prosecuted because "sex is part of marriage". And he claimed that many married women who alleged rape were lying. His comments have angered senior police officers, who say that such statements undermine the work they do to encourage women to report rape, a notoriously under-reported crime. Sheikh Sayeed made the comments in an interview with the blog The Samosa, before reiterating them later when contacted by The Independent. He told the website: "Clearly there cannot be any rape within the marriage. Maybe aggression, maybe indecent activity... Because when they got married, the understanding was that sexual intercourse was part of the marriage, so there cannot be anything against sex in marriage. Of course, if it happened without her desire, that is no good, that is not desirable." Later he told this newspaper: "In Islamic sharia, rape is adultery by force. So long as the woman is his wife, it cannot be termed as rape. It is reprehensible, but we do not call it rape." British law was changed in 1991, making rape within marriage illegal. Dave Whatton, Chief Constable of Cheshire and spokesman on rape for the Association of Chief Police Officers, said: "We know that the majority of rapes do not take place through strangers attacking women late at night but between acquaintances and within marriages and partnerships. "It is a fundamental principle that sharia law should not replace the laws of the UK. Putting out views that rape can be dealt with in another way fundamentally undermines everything we are trying to do." The cleric's comments come just days after Germaine Greer suggested that rape victims should name and shame their attackers online instead of reporting it to the police. Mr Whatton added: "The comments of Sheikh Sayeed and Germaine Greer suggest there are other ways of dealing with rape. If that happens, victims of rape do not get the medical and counselling support they need to overcome this traumatic experience – and we are not in a position to effectively prosecute offenders." In the interview on the website, Sheikh Sayeed suggests that women who claim to have been raped by their husbands should not immediately go to the police, saying: "Not in the beginning, unless we establish that it really happened. Because in most of the cases, wives... have been advised by their solicitors that one of the four reasons for which a wife can get a divorce is rape, so they are encouraged to say things like this." Sheikh Sayeed said the Islamic Sharia Council had only dealt with two or three cases of rape since the arbitration tribunal was founded in 1982. Asked about how men who are found to have forced themselves upon their wives were punished, he explained: "He may be disciplined, and he may be made to ask forgiveness. That should be enough." ------------------------------------------------------------------ So says the head Cleric of the UK who is a advisor to CAIR in the USA ... -->

11-22-2010, 09:10 AM	#2
Gun Geezer Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,710	Re: Rape 'impossible' in marriage, says Muslim cleric Sharia law can say white is black and black is white if it makes them feel better. But any law that is based wholly on religious fanaticism and masochistic flim-flam will never fly here and our PC elected idiots need to wake-up and smell the coffee.

11-22-2010, 09:22 AM	#3
Kent Detective V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: ENGLAND, UK Posts: 121	Re: Rape 'impossible' in marriage, says Muslim cleric You're looking at our future as mapped out and agreed by the Liberal elite! Don't doubt it either, it's already started here in the UK thanks to idiots like Tony Blair and other anti-British white hating traitor politicians. If you are middle class and white you are scum in their eyes. __________________ My Licenced Firearms: 1. BRNO Model 5 (Made 1966 Mint Example). 2. CZ Model 511 (Semi Auto). 3. AYA "Yeoman" 12g (Dads old S/S shotgun). Neil's Website: http://www.kentfallen.com Last edited by Kent Detective; 11-22-2010 at 09:24 AM..

11-22-2010, 10:51 AM	#4
308 at my gate Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Lost in SW USA. Posts: 847	Re: Rape 'impossible' in marriage, says Muslim cleric These people are looney tunes and that kind of behavior will never fly in this country. __________________ You got to love it.

11-22-2010, 12:58 PM	#5
Jeff Midguard V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Baja Arizona Posts: 233	Re: Rape 'impossible' in marriage, says Muslim cleric If we provided muslim women with daggers, perhaps it would be a little less possible.