Would A Self_respecting Sniper Get One? - The Firearms Forum

JohnnyRobotic · 03-08-2004, 10:01 PM

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=99579

SouthernMoss · 03-08-2004, 10:07 PM

You should check out Crpdeth's ghillie suit. Just follow the link in the signature of any of his posts.

wuzzagrunt · 03-08-2004, 10:09 PM

Not when he could make one more appropriate to his particular AO for much less money.

glocknut · 03-08-2004, 10:09 PM

crpdeth's ghillie suit is way better than that one.........

mike

kaylan1 · 03-09-2004, 12:45 AM

wuzzagrunt is right. why by one if you've had the training and know-how. this way if it falls apart or doesn't work thenthere's no one to blame but yourself. This way you can fix it and not be out much dough. I'm working on one now. I find shreddin the burlap agood stress relief not to mention it's quite calming, gives me my quiet time alone.

In simple terms: not this one.

Remington597 · 03-09-2004, 05:52 AM

I am not that fond of it. I agree, there are far better options.

Crpdeth · 03-09-2004, 06:15 AM

Thanks guys, I got the site link back up since prompted

Geez, I gotta get to work.

*runs*

~Crp

45Smashemflat · 03-09-2004, 05:00 PM

Walking Ghillies don't work - sorry, looks too much like Big Foot stomping around.

If it ain't got crawl pads - it aint a Ghillie.

JohnnyRobotic · 03-09-2004, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 45Smashemflat

If it ain't got crawl pads - it aint a Ghillie.

whada those ones look like i'm interested in building one?

Crpdeth · 03-09-2004, 06:45 PM

Smash:

The trick is, to try not to diddybop around...You are right in what you say because some people will construct/purchase a ghillie and start thinking they are invisible.

Nice and easy, nice and slow, and they work extreamly well.

One example: I once played a paintball "scenario game" where I utilized my full ghillie, it was not a large game by Viper Scenario standards, but with 300 people on each side at only 100 acres, it was very active ...I had been hit so it was a good time to go get the ghillie out of the tent and put it on, it was a winter game so the extra warmth suited me fine...After I was reinstated into the game, through the medic bay, I was taking my time, taking it all in, and flanking an obvious firefight about center field, by easing from one location to another, making sure I knew my next move...What happened next is something I'll always remember simply because it couldn't be more unlikely...Another player came dashing into my area (I thought I was busted, but I didn't flinch) the guy slid in behind a small burm not 10 ft away from me, and I watched as he positioned himself towards the same firefight I was interested in, oblivious of my presence, unbelievable enough maybe but it gets deeper...Most paintball players at least try to abide by a 20 ft rule, meaning they will give another player a chance to give up at this range, because 1) At 300 fps these things hurt, and 2)If they decline you can light 'em up...But heres the unbelievable part, I reconized the guy with no problem because all the equipment he was wearing was borrowed from me, he was on my side, he was my first cousin, (out of 600 people I have to bump into him

)
Well I couldn't resist, I said in the deepest voice I could muster, Give up?!?! He whirrled around looking for the owner of this question, and blurted out, yes! yes! but, um where the heck are you? I revealed my location and he came over and asked which side I was on, I laughed and said I'm on your side, and I'm your cousin...LOL, unbelievable, in a crowd of that magnitude but its a true story. I had been telling him of the suit I planned to bring to the game through E-mail, but I hadn't showed it to him yet, it was a nice presentation.

I could tell more stories, but I'm unsure anyone even wants to read this one, point is, I must say, that if you stomp around like bigfoot you'll sure look like him, otherwise they can be very effective.
Any ghillie, in my opinion, is alot like a weapon, It can be used wrong to the point that you might as well not even have it...But to someone who takes their time, hones their skills, and learns its limits as well as its effectiveness...Well, these people love the results.

All said, I agree that being able to crawl carries alot of clout, so much so that I recommend most people go that route, but you also have to consider that alot of people just are not going to be crawling around on the ground, for these people a full ghillie is more effective because more of the body is covered in the upright, and crouching positions.

~Crpdeth

JohnnyRobotic · 03-09-2004, 07:19 PM

Damn man yours is the best ghillie suit i've seen on any board or on ebay, looks like military grade. Were or are you an actual sniper or was it just made for paintball?

I like hearing stories of ghillie suits, i think they are the coolest damn things, and even though i don't hunt, (yet i guess) and i'm not a military sniper i don't really need one but would be cool to have one and yah never know if i ever got drafted for a war i'd like to have one, although less effective in the middle east

maybe i should take pictures of the wooded areas around my house and you could recommend some ideas for a suit for me

Crpdeth · 03-09-2004, 07:53 PM

John:
Taking pictures is a great idea, but remember as seasons change...Well, you know all that.

Thanks for the compliments it means alot...No I was never in the military, I tried to join the Marines after high school, but thats another story...I just love this stuff for no real reason, I love our military and our military men and women (they are my heros) Always have been since I was a kid.
I'm sure there will never be any real practical reason to use the ghillie, anymore than my desire to always learn more about survival, but I guess some people love muscle cars and motorcycles (my twin brother for one) and some love military/tactical/hunting/camping stuff ect, there dosent really have to be a reason.

Quote:

and you could recommend some ideas for a suit for me

You got it...I'll just say this, the people on this board have helped me in so many ways... Most are so much smarter than me, that I have been gleening information from them and inputting so little content, that I would be proud to help someone else for a change.

~Crp

JohnnyRobotic · 03-09-2004, 08:33 PM

kid i worked with tried to join the marines but got kicked out the 2nd day for having flat feet, he lied when he joined up and they checked into his medical background and they booted em, probably more for lying then actually having flat feet, that'd be my guess really

glocknut · 03-09-2004, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Crpdeth
Most paintball players at least try to abide by a 20 ft rule, meaning they will give another player a chance to give up at this range, because 1) At 300 fps these things hurt, and 2)If they decline you can light 'em up.....

LOL !!

I like that kind of attitude....

mike

kaylan1 · 03-10-2004, 12:49 AM

CRP, you'd be suprised at how effective a crawling style guillie works in the upright position. something to think about. when you crawl with jute and burlap on your bottom side, its easy to pick-up hitch-hikers on your front side. some will clash with the surrounding background and make you stand out more, plus after awhile you wear out the suit cause its not reenfoced with a tuffer material. when you wear a guillie, each step is calculated and well placed. the only time you would run is when you gotta get clear in a hurry, (people chasing you) alot of times you can get far enough ahead to ditch out and blend. then you watch them run right past you. but you have to stay put for awhile, making sure its clear. stop(all movement) look (in all directions without excessive movement) and most important, LISTEN. Your hearing can tell you what, who is around you and where they are alot better than your eyes. eyes are limited to 180 degrees forward, hearing is 360. on your most concealment starts fron the ground up so it is thicker on the ground, therefore easier to to dissappear (and smaller target). sometimes it can be too thick, but thats when you improvise, adapt, overcome. put some canvas on the crawling side, that way you you don't leave a trail od burlap and jute tangled on tree roots and snags along the way. Break up the texture of your canvas or outline with different shapes, colors, etc... etc... get creative

Crpdeth · 03-10-2004, 06:18 AM

Kaylan, I agree totally, as stated...My point was only that some people simply will not be crawling around on the ground, maybe because they are just not that type, maybe age and handicaps are a factor, or the terrain disallows it, lol, maybe their afraid to be that close to the snakes, but as you say a full ghillie is not designed nor intended for crawling.

Maybe I should start calling my "full ghillie" an "upright ghillie" because while you can go prone, you need to stay there and not crawl to a beter location, it certainally has its limits.

So please understand that I'm not taking away from a properly constructed suit (crawl pads are the proper military standard for a suit) I have in the past, and will continue to use the exact same design in the future that you mention.

~Crp

inplanotx · 03-10-2004, 06:30 AM

Wow, a lot of great information flowing here. I am certainly learning a few things here. Glad to have you experts around!

I think you need to teach this here fella below about standin out in the open!

kaylan1 · 03-10-2004, 08:32 AM

CRP, I hear ya, I'm just a few miles south of ya and I know how some people don't like the snakes( skeeres'em) copperheads and rattlers can influence there decision. especially where we're at. Your full guillie is ideal for paintball. really good for the 4 step attack stop, drop, pop, and run. I used mine one time and the paintballs bounced off me(or so I was told) but that was along time ago, they move alittle faster now and leave bigger bruises.

just don't get caught by a tornado when your wearing it. they'd never find ya. even if you was yellin

ROFLAO, nice kitty you got there IPT, you train it yourself? what cal. of rifle is that?

IShootBack · 03-10-2004, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Crpdeth
Smash:

The trick is, to try not to diddybop around...You are right in what you say because some people will construct/purchase a ghillie and start thinking they are invisible. .........~Crpdeth

Excellent job on the ghillie. Nice pics and your p'ball story was kewl

ISB

inplanotx · 03-10-2004, 06:28 PM

Kaylan1 wrote:

Quote:

ROFLAO, nice kitty you got there IPT, you train it yourself? what cal. of rifle is that?

Thanks, he is attentive most of the time. Sent him to Quantico for true sniper training with Carlos Hathcock in the late 70's. Gun is a miniature Rem 40XB in .050 - 8000 Remington (50 cal no less). Fires a 6 grain Hornady SXT at 8000 fps. Good for 20 yards in a 1 mph cross wind! Notice his attention and steadiness!

Bruhah hah !!!

Crpdeth · 03-10-2004, 07:43 PM

Thanks Guys, I appreciate the kind words very much.

Johnny, let us know how we can help...Sounds like we have a few accomplished ghillie enthusiast's on-board, cant beat a deal like that.

Plano, thats just scary, but just have him to make up some curtains that match his fur, drape 'em to the sides with enough room in the middle for observations, and he should be fine.

~Crp

JohnnyRobotic · 03-10-2004, 08:11 PM

if we don't get snow i may do some scouting for landscape pics. What is a good base cover-alls or like the military camo fatigues pants and jacket, what about the head piece? also did you dye the jute thread yourself, or did it come like that?

glocknut · 03-10-2004, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by inplanotx

I think you need to teach this here fella below about standin out in the open!

Ah.....he's only gunnin for the family dawg...............

Probably just an airgun..

mike

kaylan1 · 03-11-2004, 05:05 AM

hey johnny, I'm using a cover-all style( OD green flite suit.) cover-alls are easier to get into and one piece to net,sew and glue. easier to blend your colors together.Sew a hood or head cover on last. There are alot of websites out there selling different colored jute. just check where you'll be using it the most, and go from there. Make sure you got plenty of movability in the suit. some folks have been known to make'em too tight.

Crpdeth · 03-11-2004, 05:56 AM

Agreed.

Also remember that insulated coverals get really warm under a G-suit, if you plan to use it during the summer months at all.
The flight suit Kaylan mentioned or a mechanics suit (both found at Army/Navy stores) work real well.

The "bucket hats" found in Army Surplus stores also makes a good base for a head piece.

Dyeing the jute is something I've never done per se, not that I wont...just haven't found dye the color that I like/need...I have laied out strips and lightly hit them with camo paint though... I wouldn't reccomend just any paint, but this "camo system" paint they have out now (or whatever its called) works real well (Some people consider "painting" as valuable as dyeing, but they both need to be precise, and not overdone)....Also as Kaylan mentioned pre dyed jute is widely avalable.

Check the sporting good sections of Walmart for camo burlap, and remember that un-dyed jute/sisal very closely resembles dead grasses and requires no coloring.

~Crp

03-08-2004, 10:01 PM	#1
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03-08-2004, 10:07 PM	#2
SouthernMoss Admin Tech Staff Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: SW MS Contributor Posts: 10,651	You should check out Crpdeth's ghillie suit. Just follow the link in the signature of any of his posts. __________________ My Second protects your First "I declare to you that woman must not depend upon the protection of man, but must be taught to protect herself, and there I take my stand." - Susan B Anthony

03-08-2004, 10:09 PM	#4
glocknut Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: THE FORUM MASCOTT... Posts: 12,482	crpdeth's ghillie suit is way better than that one......... mike __________________ Where O where are you tonight? Why have you gone and left me alone? I searched to world over and a thought i found true love... You met another and PTThhh you were gone....

03-09-2004, 12:45 AM	#5
kaylan1 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Texas part of tornada alley Posts: 256	wuzzagrunt is right. why by one if you've had the training and know-how. this way if it falls apart or doesn't work thenthere's no one to blame but yourself. This way you can fix it and not be out much dough. I'm working on one now. I find shreddin the burlap agood stress relief not to mention it's quite calming, gives me my quiet time alone. In simple terms: not this one. __________________ STAY ALERT STAY ALIVE ONE SHOT ONE KILL Last edited by kaylan1; 03-09-2004 at 12:46 AM..

03-09-2004, 06:15 AM	#7
Crpdeth Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Location: Location Contributor Posts: 8,247	Thanks guys, I got the site link back up since prompted Geez, I gotta get to work. runs ~Crp __________________ Our greatest pretenses are built up not to hide the evil and the ugly in us, but our emptiness. The hardest thing to hide is something that is not there. ~Eric Hoffer

03-08-2004, 10:09 PM	#3
wuzzagrunt V.I.P. Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 369	Not when he could make one more appropriate to his particular AO for much less money.

03-09-2004, 05:52 AM	#6
Remington597 Former Guest Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,201	I am not that fond of it. I agree, there are far better options.

03-09-2004, 05:00 PM	#8
45Smashemflat Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,494	Walking Ghillies don't work - sorry, looks too much like Big Foot stomping around. If it ain't got crawl pads - it aint a Ghillie.

03-09-2004, 06:45 PM	#10
Crpdeth Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Location: Location Contributor Posts: 8,247	Smash: The trick is, to try not to diddybop around...You are right in what you say because some people will construct/purchase a ghillie and start thinking they are invisible. Nice and easy, nice and slow, and they work extreamly well. One example: I once played a paintball "scenario game" where I utilized my full ghillie, it was not a large game by Viper Scenario standards, but with 300 people on each side at only 100 acres, it was very active ...I had been hit so it was a good time to go get the ghillie out of the tent and put it on, it was a winter game so the extra warmth suited me fine...After I was reinstated into the game, through the medic bay, I was taking my time, taking it all in, and flanking an obvious firefight about center field, by easing from one location to another, making sure I knew my next move...What happened next is something I'll always remember simply because it couldn't be more unlikely...Another player came dashing into my area (I thought I was busted, but I didn't flinch) the guy slid in behind a small burm not 10 ft away from me, and I watched as he positioned himself towards the same firefight I was interested in, oblivious of my presence, unbelievable enough maybe but it gets deeper...Most paintball players at least try to abide by a 20 ft rule, meaning they will give another player a chance to give up at this range, because 1) At 300 fps these things hurt, and 2)If they decline you can light 'em up...But heres the unbelievable part, I reconized the guy with no problem because all the equipment he was wearing was borrowed from me, he was on my side, he was my first cousin, (out of 600 people I have to bump into him ) Well I couldn't resist, I said in the deepest voice I could muster, Give up?!?! He whirrled around looking for the owner of this question, and blurted out, yes! yes! but, um where the heck are you? I revealed my location and he came over and asked which side I was on, I laughed and said I'm on your side, and I'm your cousin...LOL, unbelievable, in a crowd of that magnitude but its a true story. I had been telling him of the suit I planned to bring to the game through E-mail, but I hadn't showed it to him yet, it was a nice presentation. I could tell more stories, but I'm unsure anyone even wants to read this one, point is, I must say, that if you stomp around like bigfoot you'll sure look like him, otherwise they can be very effective. Any ghillie, in my opinion, is alot like a weapon, It can be used wrong to the point that you might as well not even have it...But to someone who takes their time, hones their skills, and learns its limits as well as its effectiveness...Well, these people love the results. All said, I agree that being able to crawl carries alot of clout, so much so that I recommend most people go that route, but you also have to consider that alot of people just are not going to be crawling around on the ground, for these people a full ghillie is more effective because more of the body is covered in the upright, and crouching positions. ~Crpdeth __________________ Our greatest pretenses are built up not to hide the evil and the ugly in us, but our emptiness. The hardest thing to hide is something that is not there. ~Eric Hoffer

03-09-2004, 07:19 PM	#11
JohnnyRobotic V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Wareham, Massachusetts Posts: 265	Damn man yours is the best ghillie suit i've seen on any board or on ebay, looks like military grade. Were or are you an actual sniper or was it just made for paintball? I like hearing stories of ghillie suits, i think they are the coolest damn things, and even though i don't hunt, (yet i guess) and i'm not a military sniper i don't really need one but would be cool to have one and yah never know if i ever got drafted for a war i'd like to have one, although less effective in the middle east maybe i should take pictures of the wooded areas around my house and you could recommend some ideas for a suit for me

03-09-2004, 08:33 PM	#13
JohnnyRobotic V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Wareham, Massachusetts Posts: 265	kid i worked with tried to join the marines but got kicked out the 2nd day for having flat feet, he lied when he joined up and they checked into his medical background and they booted em, probably more for lying then actually having flat feet, that'd be my guess really

03-10-2004, 12:49 AM	#15
kaylan1 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Texas part of tornada alley Posts: 256	CRP, you'd be suprised at how effective a crawling style guillie works in the upright position. something to think about. when you crawl with jute and burlap on your bottom side, its easy to pick-up hitch-hikers on your front side. some will clash with the surrounding background and make you stand out more, plus after awhile you wear out the suit cause its not reenfoced with a tuffer material. when you wear a guillie, each step is calculated and well placed. the only time you would run is when you gotta get clear in a hurry, (people chasing you) alot of times you can get far enough ahead to ditch out and blend. then you watch them run right past you. but you have to stay put for awhile, making sure its clear. stop(all movement) look (in all directions without excessive movement) and most important, LISTEN. Your hearing can tell you what, who is around you and where they are alot better than your eyes. eyes are limited to 180 degrees forward, hearing is 360. on your most concealment starts fron the ground up so it is thicker on the ground, therefore easier to to dissappear (and smaller target). sometimes it can be too thick, but thats when you improvise, adapt, overcome. put some canvas on the crawling side, that way you you don't leave a trail od burlap and jute tangled on tree roots and snags along the way. Break up the texture of your canvas or outline with different shapes, colors, etc... etc... get creative __________________ STAY ALERT STAY ALIVE ONE SHOT ONE KILL

03-10-2004, 06:18 AM	#16
Crpdeth Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Location: Location Contributor Posts: 8,247	Kaylan, I agree totally, as stated...My point was only that some people simply will not be crawling around on the ground, maybe because they are just not that type, maybe age and handicaps are a factor, or the terrain disallows it, lol, maybe their afraid to be that close to the snakes, but as you say a full ghillie is not designed nor intended for crawling. Maybe I should start calling my "full ghillie" an "upright ghillie" because while you can go prone, you need to stay there and not crawl to a beter location, it certainally has its limits. So please understand that I'm not taking away from a properly constructed suit (crawl pads are the proper military standard for a suit) I have in the past, and will continue to use the exact same design in the future that you mention. ~Crp __________________ Our greatest pretenses are built up not to hide the evil and the ugly in us, but our emptiness. The hardest thing to hide is something that is not there. ~Eric Hoffer Last edited by Crpdeth; 03-10-2004 at 06:19 AM..

03-10-2004, 06:30 AM	#17
inplanotx Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 8,897	Wow, a lot of great information flowing here. I am certainly learning a few things here. Glad to have you experts around! I think you need to teach this here fella below about standin out in the open! Attached Images __________________

03-10-2004, 08:32 AM	#18
kaylan1 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Texas part of tornada alley Posts: 256	CRP, I hear ya, I'm just a few miles south of ya and I know how some people don't like the snakes( skeeres'em) copperheads and rattlers can influence there decision. especially where we're at. Your full guillie is ideal for paintball. really good for the 4 step attack stop, drop, pop, and run. I used mine one time and the paintballs bounced off me(or so I was told) but that was along time ago, they move alittle faster now and leave bigger bruises. just don't get caught by a tornado when your wearing it. they'd never find ya. even if you was yellin ROFLAO, nice kitty you got there IPT, you train it yourself? what cal. of rifle is that? __________________ STAY ALERT STAY ALIVE ONE SHOT ONE KILL Last edited by kaylan1; 03-10-2004 at 08:34 AM..

03-10-2004, 07:43 PM	#21
Crpdeth Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Location: Location Contributor Posts: 8,247	Thanks Guys, I appreciate the kind words very much. Johnny, let us know how we can help...Sounds like we have a few accomplished ghillie enthusiast's on-board, cant beat a deal like that. Plano, thats just scary, but just have him to make up some curtains that match his fur, drape 'em to the sides with enough room in the middle for observations, and he should be fine. ~Crp __________________ Our greatest pretenses are built up not to hide the evil and the ugly in us, but our emptiness. The hardest thing to hide is something that is not there. ~Eric Hoffer

03-10-2004, 08:11 PM	#22
JohnnyRobotic V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Wareham, Massachusetts Posts: 265	if we don't get snow i may do some scouting for landscape pics. What is a good base cover-alls or like the military camo fatigues pants and jacket, what about the head piece? also did you dye the jute thread yourself, or did it come like that?

03-11-2004, 05:05 AM	#24
kaylan1 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Texas part of tornada alley Posts: 256	hey johnny, I'm using a cover-all style( OD green flite suit.) cover-alls are easier to get into and one piece to net,sew and glue. easier to blend your colors together.Sew a hood or head cover on last. There are alot of websites out there selling different colored jute. just check where you'll be using it the most, and go from there. Make sure you got plenty of movability in the suit. some folks have been known to make'em too tight. __________________ STAY ALERT STAY ALIVE ONE SHOT ONE KILL

03-11-2004, 05:56 AM	#25
Crpdeth Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Location: Location Contributor Posts: 8,247	Agreed. Also remember that insulated coverals get really warm under a G-suit, if you plan to use it during the summer months at all. The flight suit Kaylan mentioned or a mechanics suit (both found at Army/Navy stores) work real well. The "bucket hats" found in Army Surplus stores also makes a good base for a head piece. Dyeing the jute is something I've never done per se, not that I wont...just haven't found dye the color that I like/need...I have laied out strips and lightly hit them with camo paint though... I wouldn't reccomend just any paint, but this "camo system" paint they have out now (or whatever its called) works real well (Some people consider "painting" as valuable as dyeing, but they both need to be precise, and not overdone)....Also as Kaylan mentioned pre dyed jute is widely avalable. Check the sporting good sections of Walmart for camo burlap, and remember that un-dyed jute/sisal very closely resembles dead grasses and requires no coloring. ~Crp __________________ Our greatest pretenses are built up not to hide the evil and the ugly in us, but our emptiness. The hardest thing to hide is something that is not there. ~Eric Hoffer Last edited by Crpdeth; 03-11-2004 at 06:09 AM..