THE SHOE BOMBER'S SENTENCING - The Firearms Forum

killbuck · 01-29-2010, 07:42 AM

THE SHOE BOMBER'S SENTENCING
Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:07 AM

Remember the guy who got on a plane with a bomb built into his shoe and tried to light it?

Did you know his trial is over?

Did you know he was sentenced?

Did you see/hear any of the judge's comments on TV or Radio?

Didn't think so.!!!

Everyone should hear what the judge had to say.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ruling by Judge William Young, US District Court.

Prior to sentencing, the Judge asked the defendant if he had anything to say. His response: After admitting his guilt to the court for the record, Reid also admitted his 'allegiance to Osama bin Laden, to Islam, and to the religion of Allah,' defiantly stating, 'I think I will not apologize for my actions,' and told the court 'I am at war with your country.' Judge Young then delivered the statement quoted below:

January 30, 2003, United States vs. Reid.

Judge Young: 'Mr. Richard C. Reid, hearken now to the sentence the Court imposes upon you.

On counts 1, 5 and 6 the Court sentences you to life in prison in the custody of the United States Attorney General. On counts 2, 3, 4 an d
7, the Court sentences you to 20 years in prison on each count, the sentence on each count to run consecutively. (That's 80 years.)

On count 8 the Court sentences you to the mandatory 30 years again, to be served consecutively to the 80 years just imposed. The Court imposes upon you for each of the eight counts a fine of $250,000 .( that's an aggregate fine of $2 million.)

The Court accepts the government's recommendation with respect to restitution and orders restitution in the amount of $298.17 to Andre Bousquet and $5,784 to American Airlines.

The Court imposes upon you an $800 special assessment. The Court imposes upon you five years supervised release simply because the law requires it. But the life sentences are real life sentences so I need go no further.

This is the sentence that is provided for by our statutes. It is a fair and just sentence. It is a righteous sentence.

Now, let me explain this to you. We are not afraid of you or any of your terrorist co-conspirators, Mr. Reid. We are Americans. We have been through the fire before. There is too much war talk here and I say that to everyone with the utmost respect. Here in this court, we deal with individuals as individuals and care for individuals as individuals. As human beings, we reach out for justice.

You are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist. You are not a soldier in any war.
You are a terrorist. To give you that reference, to call you a soldier, gives you far too much stature. Whether the officers of government do it or your attorney does it, or if you think you are a soldier, you are not----- you are a terrorist. And we do not negotiate with terrorists. We do not meet with terrorists. We do not sign documents with terrorists. We hunt them down one by one and bring them to justice.

So war talk is way out of line in this court. You are a big fellow. But you are not that big. You're no warrior. I've known warriors.
You are a terrorist. A species of criminal that is guilty of multiple attempted murders.
In a very real sense, State Trooper Santiago had it right when you first were taken off that plane and into custody and you wondered where the press and the TV crews were, and he said:
'You're no big deal.' You are no big deal.

What your able counsel and what the equally able United States attorneys have grappled with and what I have as honestly as I know how tried to grapple with, is why you did something so horrific. What was it that led you here to this courtroom today?

I have listened respectfully to what you have to say. And I ask you to search your heart and ask yourself what sort of unfathomable hate led you to do what you are guilty and admit you are guilty of doing? And, I have an answer for you. It may not satisfy you, but as I search this entire record, it comes as close to understanding as I know.

It seems to me you hate the one thing that to us is most precious. You hate our freedom. Our individual freedom. Our individual freedom to live as we choose, to come and go as we choose, to believe or not believe as we individually choose. Here, in this society, the very wind carries freedom. It carries it everywhere from sea to shining sea. It is because we prize individual freedom so much that you are here in this beautiful courtroom, so that everyone can see, truly see, that justice is administered fairly, individually, and discretely. It is for freedom's sake that your lawyers are striving so vigorously on your behalf, have filed appeals, will go on in their representation of you before other judges.

We Americans are all about freedom. Because we all know that the way we treat you, Mr. Reid, is the measure of our own liberties. Make no mistake though. It is yet true that we will bear any burden; pay any price, to preserve our freedoms. Look around this courtroom. Mark it well. The world is not going to long remember what you or I say here.
The day after tomorrow, it will be forgotten, but this, however, will long endure.

Here in this courtroom and courtrooms all across America , the American people will gather to see that justice, individual justice, justice, not war, individual justice is in fact being done. The very President of the United States through his officers will have to come into courtrooms and lay out evidence on which specific matters can be judged and juries of citizens will gather to sit and judge that evidence democratically, to mold and shape and refine our sense of justice.

See that flag, Mr. Reid? That's the flag of the United States of America . That flag will fly there long after this is all forgotten. That flag stands for freedom. And it always will.
Mr. Custody Officer. Stand him down.

So, how much of this Judge's comments did we hear on our TV sets? We need more judges like Judge Young. Pass this around. Everyone should and needs to hear what this fine judge had to say. Powerful words that strike home..

ARB · 01-29-2010, 08:52 AM

We need more judges like him? Hell, we need more people like him!
Maybe, it wasn't televised as to send a message to terrorists that in the future you will not be noticed. I kind of wish it would have been. But, at the same time, this ^(&*^*( doesn't deserve the publicity.

Terry_P · 01-29-2010, 09:38 AM

Life in prision is my second choice. A cigarette and a hood are my first.

Trouble 45-70 · 01-29-2010, 10:12 AM

With a ruling like that he will never sit on the U.S. Supreme Court where he is so desperately needed.

ponycar17 · 01-29-2010, 06:48 PM

Where's the link that sheds any credibility to this story? I'm sorry. I agree with everything the judge supposedly said but it doesn't take a lot of effort to substantiate the claims contained from within this post. For instance, this ruling was made 7 years ago!!!! There's no evidence of that since there's no link.

At least be a little professional if and when attempting to make a political stand. Not doing so makes us all look foolish. Not everything that comes into your email inbox is relevant or even true.

http://urbanlegends.about.com/librar...chard_reid.htm

cycloneman · 01-29-2010, 07:07 PM

This went too far. He intended to kill many. giving him 3 squares a day is not justice for us. Maybe someone in the pen will administer justice. I am sure they are gona love him in many ways then one. Look at it this way he got his 72 virgins.

petesusn · 01-29-2010, 11:50 PM

Here's your link ponycar. Straight from CNN.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/01/31/reid.transcript/

Big ugly · 01-30-2010, 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terry_P

Life in prision is my second choice. A cigarette and a hood are my first.

I think we could by pass the hood. I would want him to se my grinnin mug right before he ride the lightening into hell. I would also make his ass eat a ham salad sandwich just to mess up his Chi.

bcj1755 · 01-30-2010, 09:47 AM

And once again, the taxpayer foots the bill to support yet another murdering scumbag puke piece of crap for the rest of his life

cycloneman · 01-30-2010, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bcj1755

And once again, the taxpayer foots the bill to support yet another murdering scumbag puke piece of crap for the rest of his life

Justice huh? He gets to live better than he has all his life.

This is what I keep talking about. Sometimes the judge needs to stay out of it. Turn him over to us.

mrkirker · 01-30-2010, 10:03 AM

Wow, I'd hate to be known as The Shoe Bomber for the rest of my life, LOL! Wonder if the Christmas would-be bomber will be known as The Underwear Bomber? Boxer Bomber?

ponycar17 · 01-30-2010, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petesusn

Here's your link ponycar. Straight from CNN.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/01/31/reid.transcript/

Oh, I know it's real now. My issues is that the verdict and sentencing were back in 2003 but the post would lead us to believe that it was yesterday. I'm just anal about links. A lot of things get posted out of context or flatly wrong in some instances and linking to a source would eliminate that in most cases. Sometimes no link gets people all worked up and the subject matter isn't even true. Take for instance the recent thread about 2010 tax forms and your guns... That's what I'm talking about.

sabashimon · 01-30-2010, 12:32 PM

It doesn't take much more than a careful reading of the post to discern when this took place:

"Prior to sentencing, the Judge asked the defendant if he had anything to say. His response: After admitting his guilt to the court for the record, Reid also admitted his 'allegiance to Osama bin Laden, to Islam, and to the religion of Allah,' defiantly stating, 'I think I will not apologize for my actions,' and told the court 'I am at war with your country.' Judge Young then delivered the statement quoted below:

January 30, 2003, United States vs. Reid.

Judge Young: 'Mr. Richard C. Reid, hearken now to the sentence the Court imposes upon you............."

killbuck · 01-30-2010, 12:52 PM

I have to admit I missed that 2003 part. Thank You.

However I don't recall ever hearing anything about this before.

killbuck
........
The point to remember is that what the government gives it must first take away. Dr. Laurence J. Peter

ponycar17 · 01-30-2010, 02:24 PM

Hey killbuck, we all do it... I was just pointing out the importance of a link.

Trouble 45-70 · 01-30-2010, 02:50 PM

killbuck, you don't think the MSM would put such a verdict where anyone could see it and then review it some time in the future do you? It's not nearly as important as Vice President Dan Quail misspelling potato.

noslolo · 02-01-2010, 01:38 AM

Great post Killbuck! Thanks so much! I can't wait to pass on the good news!

Trouble 45-70 · 02-01-2010, 12:08 PM

Now if only this same judge gets the rest of the murdering terrorists including the jihadi Maj. from Ft. Hood.

mncarpenter · 02-02-2010, 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trouble 45-70

Now if only this same judge gets the rest of the murdering terrorists including the jihadi Maj. from Ft. Hood.

He's probably presiding over kangaroo court in Bismarck, North Dakota by now.

01-29-2010, 07:42 AM	#1
killbuck V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: WNY (In the Snow Belt) Posts: 328	THE SHOE BOMBER'S SENTENCING THE SHOE BOMBER'S SENTENCING Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:07 AM Remember the guy who got on a plane with a bomb built into his shoe and tried to light it? Did you know his trial is over? Did you know he was sentenced? Did you see/hear any of the judge's comments on TV or Radio? Didn't think so.!!! Everyone should hear what the judge had to say. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ruling by Judge William Young, US District Court. Prior to sentencing, the Judge asked the defendant if he had anything to say. His response: After admitting his guilt to the court for the record, Reid also admitted his 'allegiance to Osama bin Laden, to Islam, and to the religion of Allah,' defiantly stating, 'I think I will not apologize for my actions,' and told the court 'I am at war with your country.' Judge Young then delivered the statement quoted below: January 30, 2003, United States vs. Reid. Judge Young: 'Mr. Richard C. Reid, hearken now to the sentence the Court imposes upon you. On counts 1, 5 and 6 the Court sentences you to life in prison in the custody of the United States Attorney General. On counts 2, 3, 4 an d 7, the Court sentences you to 20 years in prison on each count, the sentence on each count to run consecutively. (That's 80 years.) On count 8 the Court sentences you to the mandatory 30 years again, to be served consecutively to the 80 years just imposed. The Court imposes upon you for each of the eight counts a fine of $250,000 .( that's an aggregate fine of $2 million.) The Court accepts the government's recommendation with respect to restitution and orders restitution in the amount of $298.17 to Andre Bousquet and $5,784 to American Airlines. The Court imposes upon you an $800 special assessment. The Court imposes upon you five years supervised release simply because the law requires it. But the life sentences are real life sentences so I need go no further. This is the sentence that is provided for by our statutes. It is a fair and just sentence. It is a righteous sentence. Now, let me explain this to you. We are not afraid of you or any of your terrorist co-conspirators, Mr. Reid. We are Americans. We have been through the fire before. There is too much war talk here and I say that to everyone with the utmost respect. Here in this court, we deal with individuals as individuals and care for individuals as individuals. As human beings, we reach out for justice. You are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist. You are not a soldier in any war. You are a terrorist. To give you that reference, to call you a soldier, gives you far too much stature. Whether the officers of government do it or your attorney does it, or if you think you are a soldier, you are not----- you are a terrorist. And we do not negotiate with terrorists. We do not meet with terrorists. We do not sign documents with terrorists. We hunt them down one by one and bring them to justice. So war talk is way out of line in this court. You are a big fellow. But you are not that big. You're no warrior. I've known warriors. You are a terrorist. A species of criminal that is guilty of multiple attempted murders. In a very real sense, State Trooper Santiago had it right when you first were taken off that plane and into custody and you wondered where the press and the TV crews were, and he said: 'You're no big deal.' You are no big deal. What your able counsel and what the equally able United States attorneys have grappled with and what I have as honestly as I know how tried to grapple with, is why you did something so horrific. What was it that led you here to this courtroom today? I have listened respectfully to what you have to say. And I ask you to search your heart and ask yourself what sort of unfathomable hate led you to do what you are guilty and admit you are guilty of doing? And, I have an answer for you. It may not satisfy you, but as I search this entire record, it comes as close to understanding as I know. It seems to me you hate the one thing that to us is most precious. You hate our freedom. Our individual freedom. Our individual freedom to live as we choose, to come and go as we choose, to believe or not believe as we individually choose. Here, in this society, the very wind carries freedom. It carries it everywhere from sea to shining sea. It is because we prize individual freedom so much that you are here in this beautiful courtroom, so that everyone can see, truly see, that justice is administered fairly, individually, and discretely. It is for freedom's sake that your lawyers are striving so vigorously on your behalf, have filed appeals, will go on in their representation of you before other judges. We Americans are all about freedom. Because we all know that the way we treat you, Mr. Reid, is the measure of our own liberties. Make no mistake though. It is yet true that we will bear any burden; pay any price, to preserve our freedoms. Look around this courtroom. Mark it well. The world is not going to long remember what you or I say here. The day after tomorrow, it will be forgotten, but this, however, will long endure. Here in this courtroom and courtrooms all across America , the American people will gather to see that justice, individual justice, justice, not war, individual justice is in fact being done. The very President of the United States through his officers will have to come into courtrooms and lay out evidence on which specific matters can be judged and juries of citizens will gather to sit and judge that evidence democratically, to mold and shape and refine our sense of justice. See that flag, Mr. Reid? That's the flag of the United States of America . That flag will fly there long after this is all forgotten. That flag stands for freedom. And it always will. Mr. Custody Officer. Stand him down. So, how much of this Judge's comments did we hear on our TV sets? We need more judges like Judge Young. Pass this around. Everyone should and needs to hear what this fine judge had to say. Powerful words that strike home.. -->

01-29-2010, 08:52 AM	#2
ARB Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Mid Missouri Posts: 1,184	Re: THE SHOE BOMBER'S SENTENCING We need more judges like him? Hell, we need more people like him! Maybe, it wasn't televised as to send a message to terrorists that in the future you will not be noticed. I kind of wish it would have been. But, at the same time, this ^(&^( doesn't deserve the publicity. Last edited by ARB; 01-29-2010 at 08:57 AM..

01-29-2010, 09:38 AM	#3
Terry_P Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NH Posts: 2,513	Re: THE SHOE BOMBER'S SENTENCING Life in prision is my second choice. A cigarette and a hood are my first. __________________ NRA and NAHC Life "Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms." -Aristotle

01-29-2010, 10:12 AM	#4
Trouble 45-70 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NE Ar. W. of Black River Contributor Posts: 2,703	Re: THE SHOE BOMBER'S SENTENCING With a ruling like that he will never sit on the U.S. Supreme Court where he is so desperately needed. __________________ Psalm 12 verse 8: The wicked walk on every side when the vilest men are exalted.

01-29-2010, 06:48 PM	#5
ponycar17 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: South Carolina Contributor Posts: 4,884	Re: THE SHOE BOMBER'S SENTENCING Where's the link that sheds any credibility to this story? I'm sorry. I agree with everything the judge supposedly said but it doesn't take a lot of effort to substantiate the claims contained from within this post. For instance, this ruling was made 7 years ago!!!! There's no evidence of that since there's no link. At least be a little professional if and when attempting to make a political stand. Not doing so makes us all look foolish. Not everything that comes into your email inbox is relevant or even true. http://urbanlegends.about.com/librar...chard_reid.htm __________________ Arm yourself with intellectual Ammunition! Gunfacts 5.1 Myth-Busting Facts JustFacts.com on Gun Control Stopping Power, the Downloadable Book

01-29-2010, 07:07 PM	#6
cycloneman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Louisiana Posts: 7,402	Re: THE SHOE BOMBER'S SENTENCING This went too far. He intended to kill many. giving him 3 squares a day is not justice for us. Maybe someone in the pen will administer justice. I am sure they are gona love him in many ways then one. Look at it this way he got his 72 virgins. __________________ Who are you going to serve today?

01-29-2010, 11:50 PM	#7
petesusn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: San Joaquin Valley, Ca. Posts: 614	Re: THE SHOE BOMBER'S SENTENCING Here's your link ponycar. Straight from CNN. http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/01/31/reid.transcript/ __________________ Self Defense: A basic human right The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which was created 130 years later, in 1917. A man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile...can respond with a great deal of pride and satisfaction, "I served in the U. S. Navy." John F. Kennedy VFW Life Member

01-30-2010, 09:47 AM	#9
bcj1755 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: A wretched hive of scum and villiany Posts: 4,357	Re: THE SHOE BOMBER'S SENTENCING And once again, the taxpayer foots the bill to support yet another murdering scumbag puke piece of crap for the rest of his life __________________ History is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace, and revolution continue on forever. Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges - Cicero If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. - Samuel Adams

01-30-2010, 10:03 AM	#11
mrkirker Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,067	Re: THE SHOE BOMBER'S SENTENCING Wow, I'd hate to be known as The Shoe Bomber for the rest of my life, LOL! Wonder if the Christmas would-be bomber will be known as The Underwear Bomber? Boxer Bomber? __________________ *I don't know if dogs have a heaven, but there will be dogs in mine.*

01-30-2010, 12:32 PM	#13
sabashimon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: PNW/Israel Posts: 672	Re: THE SHOE BOMBER'S SENTENCING It doesn't take much more than a careful reading of the post to discern when this took place: "Prior to sentencing, the Judge asked the defendant if he had anything to say. His response: After admitting his guilt to the court for the record, Reid also admitted his 'allegiance to Osama bin Laden, to Islam, and to the religion of Allah,' defiantly stating, 'I think I will not apologize for my actions,' and told the court 'I am at war with your country.' Judge Young then delivered the statement quoted below: January 30, 2003, United States vs. Reid. Judge Young: 'Mr. Richard C. Reid, hearken now to the sentence the Court imposes upon you............." __________________ "We sleep safely in ours beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." George Orwell "If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." Thomas Paine

01-30-2010, 12:52 PM	#14
killbuck V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: WNY (In the Snow Belt) Posts: 328	Re: THE SHOE BOMBER'S SENTENCING I have to admit I missed that 2003 part. Thank You. However I don't recall ever hearing anything about this before. killbuck ........ The point to remember is that what the government gives it must first take away. Dr. Laurence J. Peter

01-30-2010, 02:24 PM	#15
ponycar17 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: South Carolina Contributor Posts: 4,884	Re: THE SHOE BOMBER'S SENTENCING Hey killbuck, we all do it... I was just pointing out the importance of a link. __________________ Arm yourself with intellectual Ammunition! Gunfacts 5.1 Myth-Busting Facts JustFacts.com on Gun Control Stopping Power, the Downloadable Book

01-30-2010, 02:50 PM	#16
Trouble 45-70 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NE Ar. W. of Black River Contributor Posts: 2,703	Re: THE SHOE BOMBER'S SENTENCING killbuck, you don't think the MSM would put such a verdict where anyone could see it and then review it some time in the future do you? It's not nearly as important as Vice President Dan Quail misspelling potato. __________________ Psalm 12 verse 8: The wicked walk on every side when the vilest men are exalted.

02-01-2010, 01:38 AM	#17
noslolo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Johnstown PA Posts: 1,558	Re: THE SHOE BOMBER'S SENTENCING Great post Killbuck! Thanks so much! I can't wait to pass on the good news! __________________ I'm a heck of a "obesito illegitimo"

02-01-2010, 12:08 PM	#18
Trouble 45-70 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NE Ar. W. of Black River Contributor Posts: 2,703	Re: THE SHOE BOMBER'S SENTENCING Now if only this same judge gets the rest of the murdering terrorists including the jihadi Maj. from Ft. Hood. __________________ Psalm 12 verse 8: The wicked walk on every side when the vilest men are exalted.