10 / 22 recoil buffer - The Firearms Forum

tymbrewolf · 01-23-2012, 07:33 AM

what is the best recoil buffer?

Snakedriver · 01-23-2012, 07:46 AM

I use the Volquartsen buffer because it came with a bunch of other VQ parts that I put in my 10/22 like the Target Hammer, Auto. Bolt release, Extended Mag. Release and Exact Edge Extractor. The buffer makes the 10/22 shoot so much more smoothly than with the factory steel one. I don't know that it really does anything to enhance the accuracy or performance of the rifle, but it sure makes it shoot nice.

Along with the VQ buffer, look at the "Tuffer Buffer" as well. There are other good brands, but I can't think of them off hand.

jim brady · 01-23-2012, 09:48 AM

Please pardon my ignorance, but WHY did anyone bother to design a 'recoil buffer' for a .22 semi auto rifle? In all honesty, I've never fired a .22 rimfire rifle with a 'recoil buffer', so maybe there is something positive to be said for such a thing. I've fired numerous .22 rifles in competition, and recoil was never an even a remote issue with accuracy or shooting sessions.

Snake, those other parts you mentioned all seem to have merrit for the 10-22. The factory mag release - at least on the earlier models - is pathetic. I never understood why Ruger didn't improve that on factory models. Also, the auto bolt release should have been a factory part.

Snakedriver · 01-23-2012, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by jim brady

Please pardon my ignorance, but WHY did anyone bother to design a 'recoil buffer' for a .22 semi auto rifle? In all honesty, I've never fired a .22 rimfire rifle with a 'recoil buffer', so maybe there is something positive to be said for such a thing. I've fired numerous .22 rifles in competition, and recoil was never an even a remote issue with accuracy or shooting sessions.

Snake, those other parts you mentioned all seem to have merrit for the 10-22. The factory mag release - at least on the earlier models - is pathetic. I never understood why Ruger didn't improve that on factory models. Also, the auto bolt release should have been a factory part.

Jim, the replacement buffer has little benefit other than to smooth out the firing. The factory buffer is steel and comes into contact with the bolt on its backward stroke. By using a softer material in the replacement buffers, it takes out the metal to metal contact causing a nice smooth stroke. I have a classic 1969 10/22 that is unmodified and a 2008 custom that has all the inards switched out to Volquartsen. You can definitely tell a difference in firing the two with the same ammo. The soft replacement buffer also quiets the action. With the soft buffer the action is almost silent.

The factory bolt lock and release requires a manual action down by the trigger for both locking back and then releasing the bolt. It is often very difficult to get the factory switch to release. The Volquartsen Auto. Bolt Release works the same as the factory for locking back the bolt into the hold-open position, but allows the user to release the bolt by simply snapping back on the bolt handle and quickly releasing it. It makes the whole operation much quicker and easier.

Ruger finally figured out to put an extended mag. release on their 10/22's recently after years & years of hearing people complain about the old style flush design.

jim brady · 01-23-2012, 12:17 PM

Thanks - this makes a little more sense. I suppose that in the end that a recoil buffer might enhance the performance of the Ruger's bolt cycleing. Some of the after-market things that people come up with for the Ruger 10-22 amaze me that anyone would want to either make or buy them. Sort of like someone coming up with a bayonet mount for a 10-22. I'm sure that somewhere out there somebody makes one - but why?

Albtraum · 01-23-2012, 12:36 PM

10/22s are like Honda Civics. They're not the best performers out of the factory, but theres a certain niche that likes to put a little money in them and make them perform.

BlkHawk73 · 01-23-2012, 04:43 PM

More than a million produced. How many have had issues due to the factory pin? I'd think if it was such a major issue, the R&D folks at Ruger would've done something by now.

tymbrewolf · 01-23-2012, 06:23 PM

I have a charger pistol. I am enjoying it alot. However, I plan to do some trigger work for quick off hand shooting. For $10, if I can reduce the noise a little all the while reducing recoil a hair, why not. As for R&D, the steel pin I am sure is cheaper to mass produce I suppose. Why did it take them 20 years to put a decent mag release? Why don't they have an easy bolt release? Why have a hard creeping trigger? Why have barrel band? Safety and bottom line would likely be the answers here. In any case, promag, yellowjacket, tufferbuffer and VQ seem to be likely candidates. I just wondered if there was a consensus on the best one for reliablility, shear strength, and cycle functioning. Or even better, is there any one to avoid? I have had a few 22 pistols and a 1/2 dozen 22 rifles now. Just messing with a winter project. I think ruger missed the boat with the charger marketing for bench shooting only. The blackhawk knoxx stock and no bipod is a hoot.

Albtraum · 01-23-2012, 06:28 PM

Exactly, there are no issues with the gun, it just works. 1911s work and AR15s work, people just like a improve and tinker with things. If Ruger took the time and effort to make an out-of-the-box-tack-driver, it would cost as much as the Remington and Browning .22s.

BETH · 01-23-2012, 06:49 PM

ok can someone show a picture of a factory buffer compared to recoil buffer?

tymbrewolf · 01-23-2012, 07:25 PM

I have looked for a video as well that shows a before and after. However, here is a vid install

http://vimeo.com/8553665

tymbrewolf · 01-23-2012, 07:33 PM

On the other side of cost, if you were mass producing these improved parts, they would likely add very little to the cost of the gun. In some ways, I like having the goofy bolt release as a safety feature for a child. I also like the long hard trigger for little jumpy hands. As an adult that has been in the business of carrying a duty weapon for 25 years, there are some things that I have been accustomed to in a Glock pistol that I would like to have in my charger. I akin the bolt release to the slide release which should be easier to operate. I want a lighter smoother trigger as well.

Now back to the original question... Is there a best buffer or any to avoid?

Snakedriver · 01-23-2012, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BETH

ok can someone show a picture of a factory buffer compared to recoil buffer?

Beth no picture handy, but the factory bolt buffer is a smooth round steel pin about 1/4" in diameter and about 1 1/4" long. It's fairly unremarkable.

The aftermarket recoil buffer replacement has the same dimensions, but is made of a hard rubber-like material. Each manufacturer has there own proprietary formulae.

Tymbrewolf, my VQ buffer has been through years of use with thousands of rounds fired without any sign of wear. The truth is all of the brands mentioned will work fine. I think the only ones that haven't worked well for people are the homemade ones.

dampoo · 01-23-2012, 08:35 PM

I use these:

http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums...do=ad&id=40828

Dampoo

Snakedriver · 01-23-2012, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tymbrewolf

On the other side of cost, if you were mass producing these improved parts, they would likely add very little to the cost of the gun. In some ways, I like having the goofy bolt release as a safety feature for a child. I also like the long hard trigger for little jumpy hands. As an adult that has been in the business of carrying a duty weapon for 25 years, there are some things that I have been accustomed to in a Glock pistol that I would like to have in my charger. I akin the bolt release to the slide release which should be easier to operate. I want a lighter smoother trigger as well.
Now back to the original question... Is there a best buffer or any to avoid?

Wolf, the Volquartsen Target Hammer is a drop-in item that costs about $35 and takes maybe 15-minutes to install. It will take your gritty & heavy factory 10/22 trigger down to about 3 lbs. and will be smooth as silk. It's well worth the effort. Power Custom and Kidd have similar items as well, but VQ is one of the most popular.

BETH · 01-23-2012, 08:43 PM

Thanks snake, can u get them for any firearm?

Snakedriver · 01-23-2012, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BETH

Thanks snake, can u get them for any firearm?

No, they are something that is unique to the 10/22 design. There are other types of buffers for things like the 1911 .45 auto. pistol and Mini-14 rifles for instance, but the type used in 10/22's are one of a kind.

BETH · 01-23-2012, 08:59 PM

thanks snake

tymbrewolf · 01-23-2012, 09:44 PM

Snake, I have been looking at clark and VQ for trigger/hammer kits. got a preference on a good dealer? promag seems to have about the best price on buffers. I also think I will just do the dyi filing on the bolt release when I buy a buffer. thanks

tymbrewolf · 01-23-2012, 09:49 PM

this one?

http://www.midwayusa.com/Product/163...gs-ruger-10-22

tymbrewolf · 01-23-2012, 10:18 PM

All ready to buy a buffer until I read this one. Poly or delrin best.

http://www.mo-rod.com/Mo-Buff_Website_Text_083109.pdf

Snakedriver · 01-24-2012, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by tymbrewolf

this one?

http://www.midwayusa.com/Product/163...gs-ruger-10-22

Yep, that's the one I ordered from Midway too! GunKings.com has the same part with free shipping. I've used them before and they are GTG.

http://gunkings.com/index.php?main_p...roducts_id=448

Snakedriver · 01-24-2012, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by tymbrewolf

All ready to buy a buffer until I read this one. Poly or delrin best.

http://www.mo-rod.com/Mo-Buff_Website_Text_083109.pdf

I've dealt with Mo-Rod since they started and can give them my wholehearted endorsement 100%. Kelly who runs Mo-Rod is a first-rate standup guy. If you have a Mini-14, the Mo-Rod he sells is just what the Mini needs for the best accuracy possible.

tymbrewolf · 01-24-2012, 11:22 AM

Thanks. I had bookmarked gunkings last night google shopping for free shipping. I might try the mobuffer.

Snakedriver · 01-24-2012, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by tymbrewolf

Thanks. I had bookmarked gunkings last night google shopping for free shipping. I might try the mobuffer.

The delrin material that the MoBuff is made of is the same as VQ, Tufferbuffer and others use in their product, so I don't see how you can go wrong. I know for sure that if you ever had an issue with the MoBuff, Kelly at MoRod would take care of it with no questions asked.

For the VQ Target Hammer Gunkings will do you right. They were out of the product when I went to get mine, so I used Midway. Midway is good, but sometimes they go nuts on their freight charges.

01-23-2012, 07:33 AM	#1
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01-23-2012, 07:46 AM	#2
Snakedriver Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: SW. Florida Posts: 1,219	Re: 10 / 22 recoil buffer I use the Volquartsen buffer because it came with a bunch of other VQ parts that I put in my 10/22 like the Target Hammer, Auto. Bolt release, Extended Mag. Release and Exact Edge Extractor. The buffer makes the 10/22 shoot so much more smoothly than with the factory steel one. I don't know that it really does anything to enhance the accuracy or performance of the rifle, but it sure makes it shoot nice. Along with the VQ buffer, look at the "Tuffer Buffer" as well. There are other good brands, but I can't think of them off hand. __________________ Fear is a reaction..........Courage is a decision Last edited by Snakedriver; 01-23-2012 at 12:54 PM..

01-23-2012, 09:48 AM	#3
jim brady Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,073	Re: 10 / 22 recoil buffer Please pardon my ignorance, but WHY did anyone bother to design a 'recoil buffer' for a .22 semi auto rifle? In all honesty, I've never fired a .22 rimfire rifle with a 'recoil buffer', so maybe there is something positive to be said for such a thing. I've fired numerous .22 rifles in competition, and recoil was never an even a remote issue with accuracy or shooting sessions. Snake, those other parts you mentioned all seem to have merrit for the 10-22. The factory mag release - at least on the earlier models - is pathetic. I never understood why Ruger didn't improve that on factory models. Also, the auto bolt release should have been a factory part.

01-23-2012, 12:17 PM	#5
jim brady Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,073	Re: 10 / 22 recoil buffer Thanks - this makes a little more sense. I suppose that in the end that a recoil buffer might enhance the performance of the Ruger's bolt cycleing. Some of the after-market things that people come up with for the Ruger 10-22 amaze me that anyone would want to either make or buy them. Sort of like someone coming up with a bayonet mount for a 10-22. I'm sure that somewhere out there somebody makes one - but why?

01-23-2012, 12:36 PM	#6
Albtraum Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 635	Re: 10 / 22 recoil buffer 10/22s are like Honda Civics. They're not the best performers out of the factory, but theres a certain niche that likes to put a little money in them and make them perform.

01-23-2012, 04:43 PM	#7
BlkHawk73 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Maine Posts: 292	Re: 10 / 22 recoil buffer More than a million produced. How many have had issues due to the factory pin? I'd think if it was such a major issue, the R&D folks at Ruger would've done something by now. __________________ "All you martyrs and saviours go through the same door" - G.S.

01-23-2012, 06:23 PM	#8
tymbrewolf Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 30	Re: 10 / 22 recoil buffer I have a charger pistol. I am enjoying it alot. However, I plan to do some trigger work for quick off hand shooting. For $10, if I can reduce the noise a little all the while reducing recoil a hair, why not. As for R&D, the steel pin I am sure is cheaper to mass produce I suppose. Why did it take them 20 years to put a decent mag release? Why don't they have an easy bolt release? Why have a hard creeping trigger? Why have barrel band? Safety and bottom line would likely be the answers here. In any case, promag, yellowjacket, tufferbuffer and VQ seem to be likely candidates. I just wondered if there was a consensus on the best one for reliablility, shear strength, and cycle functioning. Or even better, is there any one to avoid? I have had a few 22 pistols and a 1/2 dozen 22 rifles now. Just messing with a winter project. I think ruger missed the boat with the charger marketing for bench shooting only. The blackhawk knoxx stock and no bipod is a hoot.

01-23-2012, 06:28 PM	#9
Albtraum Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 635	Re: 10 / 22 recoil buffer Exactly, there are no issues with the gun, it just works. 1911s work and AR15s work, people just like a improve and tinker with things. If Ruger took the time and effort to make an out-of-the-box-tack-driver, it would cost as much as the Remington and Browning .22s.

01-23-2012, 06:49 PM	#10
BETH Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: naugatuck,Ct. Contributor Posts: 6,676	Re: 10 / 22 recoil buffer ok can someone show a picture of a factory buffer compared to recoil buffer?

01-23-2012, 07:25 PM	#11
tymbrewolf Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 30	Re: 10 / 22 recoil buffer I have looked for a video as well that shows a before and after. However, here is a vid install http://vimeo.com/8553665

01-23-2012, 07:33 PM	#12
tymbrewolf Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 30	Re: 10 / 22 recoil buffer On the other side of cost, if you were mass producing these improved parts, they would likely add very little to the cost of the gun. In some ways, I like having the goofy bolt release as a safety feature for a child. I also like the long hard trigger for little jumpy hands. As an adult that has been in the business of carrying a duty weapon for 25 years, there are some things that I have been accustomed to in a Glock pistol that I would like to have in my charger. I akin the bolt release to the slide release which should be easier to operate. I want a lighter smoother trigger as well. Now back to the original question... Is there a best buffer or any to avoid?

01-23-2012, 08:35 PM	#14
dampoo Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: omaha Posts: 3	Re: 10 / 22 recoil buffer I use these: http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums...do=ad&id=40828 Dampoo

01-23-2012, 08:43 PM	#16
BETH Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: naugatuck,Ct. Contributor Posts: 6,676	Re: 10 / 22 recoil buffer Thanks snake, can u get them for any firearm?

01-23-2012, 08:59 PM	#18
BETH Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: naugatuck,Ct. Contributor Posts: 6,676	Re: 10 / 22 recoil buffer thanks snake

01-23-2012, 09:44 PM	#19
tymbrewolf Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 30	Re: 10 / 22 recoil buffer Snake, I have been looking at clark and VQ for trigger/hammer kits. got a preference on a good dealer? promag seems to have about the best price on buffers. I also think I will just do the dyi filing on the bolt release when I buy a buffer. thanks

01-23-2012, 09:49 PM	#20
tymbrewolf Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 30	Re: 10 / 22 recoil buffer this one? http://www.midwayusa.com/Product/163...gs-ruger-10-22

01-23-2012, 10:18 PM	#21
tymbrewolf Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 30	Re: 10 / 22 recoil buffer All ready to buy a buffer until I read this one. Poly or delrin best. http://www.mo-rod.com/Mo-Buff_Website_Text_083109.pdf

01-24-2012, 11:22 AM	#24
tymbrewolf Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 30	Re: 10 / 22 recoil buffer Thanks. I had bookmarked gunkings last night google shopping for free shipping. I might try the mobuffer.