My buddy was shot Friday night - Page 2

The_Rifleman · 03-05-2012, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Crawdaddy

legislation brought up to require a gun safety class before someone is allowed to purchase their first firearm. I don't think this infringes on our rights

Yes, it does "infringe."

infringe:

1
: to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another

encroach

: to enter by gradual steps or by stealth into the possessions or rights of another

So no! You'll not infringe upon my rights, because your friend knows stupid people.

Iron Eagle · 03-05-2012, 05:44 PM

Some people assume that they can safely handle guns, and that nothing will happen. If I was going to show a gun to someone, first thing I woul;d do is make sure it is clear, and that they can verify it. Too bad for the guy in the hospital. Hope he gets better soon. No amount of laws or regulations will ever drive the idocy out of us. That's why time spent on a range getting to know a gun is time well spent. Talking to others many times will yield some very helpful people, but not always.

Gun Geezer · 03-05-2012, 07:33 PM

People have to take driver's education classes, driver's license tests and still thousands more are killed in auto accidents every year than gun owners. Driving a car is a privilege not a right and still thousands are killed and injured in accidents. Gun ownership is a right, not a privilege. The Government already has too many rules and regulations against stupidity. When will they ever learn, you can't fix stupid!

76Highboy · 03-05-2012, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Double D

UHHHH,NOT NO, BUT HECK NO. NO FLIPPIN WAY.

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gvw3 · 03-05-2012, 09:21 PM

No amount of training will help if you don't follow the basic rule of not aiming a gun at some one you don't want to shoot. I have seen and know a lot of people that just should not handle a gun. No training would help them. Guns are not toys, they are tools.

Come to think of it I know some people that should not handle tools.

hunter29180 · 03-06-2012, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Crawdaddy

A Friend and coworker was shot Friday night (accidentally) by one of his best friends. The friend was showing off his newly bought shotgun and BAM right in the gut.

not being offensive here but you are overlooking a very important fact here...BOTH your friend and his friend were at fault here! your friend for not insisting that the firearm be handled in a safe manner..(thereby helping "teach" a new gun owner the proper and safe way to handle his purchase) and his friend for WELL just being stupid!

So what I would like to know is would any of you think it a good idea and politically expedient for the NRA or other pro-rights group to take the lead in getting legislation brought up to require a gun safety class before someone is allowed to purchase their first firearm. I don't think this infringes on our rights and would, I believe, place gun owners in a better light, showing that as a group we are responsible citizens.

NO!! its not a good idea! NRA already makes safty classes available to the public..many time for free! What more do you want? While its our right to keep and bear arms its also our responsibilty to learn to handle them properly! we dont need another stupid law to order us to do this! its like the health care bill..requiring me to buy healtcare or face fines?? heck I cant afford to pay for the insurance as it is..and you are going to fine me? next you will give me 3 squares a day and a roof till i can pay...sheesh! whats next?? do you wish to make a law we have to pay for a licence and classes to BREATH FREE AIR??

Paul

al45lc · 03-06-2012, 02:03 PM

This goes to personal responsibility and nothing more. As a gun owner, one has the right to keep and bear, and the obligation to society at large to do so responsibly.
Any 'accident' or negligent discharge (the legal term) should fall on the head of the owner or bearer, as per the 'prudent person' rule.
We are a society of laws and individual rights, and with that are huge and heavy responsibilities to the individual.
That is as it should be, not some Govt. entity deciding who is 'safe' and who isn't.
The problem are those who cry for their rights, but fail others in their obligations.

time2shoot · 03-06-2012, 02:18 PM

UM H**L NO.

Crawdaddy · 03-06-2012, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by al45lc

This goes to personal responsibility and nothing more. As a gun owner, one has the right to keep and bear, and the obligation to society at large to do so responsibly.
Any 'accident' or negligent discharge (the legal term) should fall on the head of the owner or bearer, as per the 'prudent person' rule.
We are a society of laws and individual rights, and with that are huge and heavy responsibilities to the individual.
That is as it should be, not some Govt. entity deciding who is 'safe' and who isn't.
The problem are those who cry for their rights, but fail others in their obligations.

Excellent, thoughtful response, best so far IMO. Thanks.

Ed~ · 03-08-2012, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BETH

i would think anyone in their right mind who did not know anything about guns would go and find out who could show them or if there were classes. In Ct. we have to take an NRA safety course before getting permit and i am very glad i did.

Spoken like a true Woman!

Now Beth, when was the last time you heard the joke about the Man who stopped the car to ask for directions when the couple was lost?

No, that's not the way the joke went, right?

What's really funny is that the male ego must appear competent and all-knowing at all-times. It is funny, but not all fun and games and when it comes to firearms. In fact, it's just plain sad because that attitude leads to serious accidents.

Where do most boys learn about guns from first? Rambo. Hands on the trigger and shake it all around... do the hokey-pokey, that's what it's all about, -'till you send your friend into the hospital!

The NRA and other Gun Clubs offer terrific (even entertaining) training classes at very reasonable prices. But when was the last time that was "cool" to take a class on firearms saftey? Was it ever cool to take driver's ed? Not really. But there was a necessity to pass tests to get your license to Be Cool in your own ride... rules & regulations.

That's the way edumacation works with us guys. The ends only sometimes justify the means and when it comes to learning about your new firearm, it's hardly ever the end in itself.

Let me ask this to everyone. How many people have read the instruction manual that came with every new firearm you purchased? -At least skimmed it cover to cover? -And how many never even picked it up but thrashed it along with the cheap lock and cardboard box?

Funny, ain't it?

76Highboy · 03-08-2012, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BETH

i would think anyone in their right mind who did not know anything about guns would go and find out who could show them or if there were classes. In Ct. we have to take an NRA safety course before getting permit and i am very glad i did.

Ditto.

Ed~ · 03-08-2012, 08:07 PM

Hey Paul,

I'm glad you posted this question, even though you got flamed so harshly they made you want to push delete and crawl away. Some boys never learned not to kick a guy when he's down.

I understand what many here are writing anyway -at a gut level. Many on this post react like this to any mention of licensing or registering firearms because it immediately strikes a bell in their heads that has "having our freedom's and rights extinguished" engraved on it. I know the feeling myself. Waiting more than 15 min for the background check is enough for me to start sweating and get shifty on my feet when I'm pawing a new gun with money burning a hole... You know that feeling too, I'm sure.

As Beth and other's wrote, it truly is the responsibility of the individual to learn how NOT to shoot himself in the foot with his new toy (nor his friend in the belly). Yet now many times have we heard that about so many other fun things that could end up killing us or some innocent bystander before we finally made rules and laws to regulate them and the issue kinda just went away? We grew past that challenge as a society.

Examples... let's see, uh, CAR? OK, how about Motorcycle? -Yup. Skydiving? Not yet, but they certainly won't let me take a single-engine Cessna up by myself even if I could afford a new one from the factory.

Fact is, all our fun things are technology and technology is always changing and growing. Society has to grow and catch up with each new revolutionary technology. Smartphones are a great example. Do you know that some crazies actually hold a sandwich in one hand and the cell in the other, and steer going down the freeway with their knees? I've seen it! I was on a motorcycle when I seen it. Scared the living sh#t out of me to know I was sharing the road with that assh*le.

Yes, there is legislation going all over about not driving with your cellphone... hands free only. As if they needed another law alongside the first: No Texting while Driving? Jeeze-louise!

Because we can all say it is the responsibility of the drivers not to rear end someone because they "should" be paying attention to driving rather than "tweeting" --until you are the one rear-ended by someone doing just that. If you survive the accident without life-changing injury, will you still be against more "frivolous" laws being passed regulating our lives?

Me, I ride motorcycles. I cannot wait until such traffic laws are passed in every state. Why? Because I suspect I will not survive even the first such accident with a 2,000lbs car driven by a 180lbs idiot. Maybe, just maybe the guy behind the wheel will think twice if what he is considering to do has a fine attached to it... like wearing seat-belts. That, my friends, is how people really learn: by attaching consequences to their actions.

So that is my heartfelt response to your heartfelt question. What happened between your friends was tragic. Everyone lost in that situation but at what point are we willing to ask how we can help prevent that kind of "accident" from happening again and again? It was not only a courageous act to ask that question, it was a rational one.

Changes in the wind with regard to fun things and personal liberties. What Beth described in CT is what everyone one here fears: mandatory education before being licensed to carry (or own). But I don't know what THE answer is. I would not like to see more regulations limiting my freedoms because, hell, I've got my sh*t together (ha ha). But I also know the value of rules & regs that serve to curb someone else's stupidity or thoughtlessness for my own safety. It is a trade-off, like everything in life: a balance.

Cars, motorcycles, smartphones, and guns. To me they are all fun to play with and not one is holier than another. -So shoot me...

CD Woods · 03-09-2012, 06:10 AM

Accidents will happen, and stupid is stupid. Sorry, but these two (2) comments are facts of life. We do not need more regulations or permissions granted from Local, State, or Federal Governments. The more we allow someone else to know what is right for us the more rights and responsibilities we forfeit.

45Auto · 03-09-2012, 09:17 AM

It would be a good idea to have hunter safety classes in high school, they did when I was a kid, it was part of physical education, but I'm not sure if there is any such instruction now. The Eddie Eagle program of the NRA is good for younger kids.

At this point, Michigan requires 10 hours of instruction prior to the issue of a concealed weapon permit. NRA instructors do these courses. No one seems to mind these courses of instruction.

I'm not so sure about compulsory education prior to buying a firearm. It might be nice if you got a discount or some other special incentive to take a voluntary gun safety class, people are more likely to pay attention and get something out of the experience.

Ed~ · 03-09-2012, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 45Auto

I'm not so sure about compulsory education prior to buying a firearm. It might be nice if you got a discount or some other special incentive to take a voluntary gun safety class, people are more likely to pay attention and get something out of the experience.

What a great idea 45Auto! That's the kind of discussion I was aiming for... If there were INCENTIVES to pursuing firearms education then it would be "cool" and people would be encouraged to learn rather than dragged like an animal to the water trough.

But as a people we should practice discussing ideas as sport, bat it around and come up with creative solutions to problems, rather than reject certain topics outright as "Wrong Thinking" or "Danger, Will Robinson, Danger!"

MSGT-R · 03-09-2012, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtypacman

I am happy your friend was not injured worse and hope the "friend" that had the negligent discharge learns rule #1 - don't point the gun at anything your not ready to destroy.

Doesn't matter weather it's loaded or not; absolutely NOT a thing to do, I agree!

That being said, I lost a friend in elementary school to just such an incident. Laura Powers. She had a whacko sister that was pulling the trigger; thought it would be funny to scare the little sister. She had a known "mean streak" a mile long. I always avoided her dumb ass.

You can't legislate "STUPID".. and common sense is not common anymore. We are a society of people brought up to fear that which is not understood, and obliviots are not reined in and educated. That frame of mind did not exist a short 50 years ago.

al45lc · 03-09-2012, 03:10 PM

I've taken two safety courses, one was a joke.
Now, consider this. Who taught the first firearms safety course? And who taught that instructor? Who taught Wilbur and Orville how to fly? Who taught Mr. Diesel how to drive?
Not EVERYONE is so stupid and so foolish as to NEED a firearms safety course.
Fact is, MOST of firearms safety is simple and good ol' fashioned common sense. Yes, there are those who don't exhibit that quality, but I don't like being lumped into that group by anyone, and that's what a safety course is out of neccessity, dumbing down to the lowest common denominator.
So what about the person who can't afford one, like a single mother working two jobs because her no-good hubby flew the coop? Time and distance could also be a factor making it next to impossible to take one.
These are situations that those that oppose our right to carry or even buy work to make happen. They figure the harder the better, the hell with the woman who is in danger from a crazed ex-hubby or boyfriend.
This is the biggest reason I'm against it, first a safety course, then what?
In the history of Govt.s, when have those that run them ever been satisfied with a little control?

American Leader · 03-09-2012, 03:13 PM

No to the original question! And as far as government intervention in our lives, no again please. I want as little of all government at all levels as possible!

norahc · 03-09-2012, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CD Woods

Accidents will happen, and stupid is stupid. Sorry, but these two (2) comments are facts of life. We do not need more regulations or permissions granted from Local, State, or Federal Governments. The more we allow someone else to know what is right for us the more rights and responsibilities we forfeit.

Except that accidents imply that it there was no way to prevent it. While this incident was unintended, it was not accidental. I agree with the rest of the post.

The_Rifleman · 03-09-2012, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed~

rather than reject certain topics outright as "Wrong Thinking" or "Danger, Will Robinson, Danger!"

That isn't what happened, if the topic was "reject[ed]," the soapbox you're standing on would not be here.

Why must you be insulting?

Ed~ · 03-10-2012, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Rifleman

That isn't what happened, if the topic was "reject[ed]," the soapbox you're standing on would not be here.
Why must you be insulting?

No Insult implied or meant. If my words came across that way, I do apologize for my poor phrasing.

Maybe I also misunderstood the intention of replies to this post such as "UM H**L NO" or "UHHHH,NOT NO, BUT HECK NO. NO FLIPPIN WAY" as coming down on the OP for his question. It was a tragedy among friends that he experienced and shared with us. That traumatic experience sparked a concern over lack of firearms safety education that I felt was courageously expressed. In fact, I felt he showed tremendous trust in the community to discuss this concern openly.

But if I am all for education of firearms safety and encourage any gun rights organization's efforts to push that "agenda" that leads to greater firearms awareness -I am also wondering, like the OP and others, if there are ways to do this without undue restrictive influence on our right to bear arms.

I simply do not encourage the "protecting Rights at all cost" attitude because that contrary to some beliefs the 2nd Amendment is not always under attack and the Laws of Nature ensure there simply is No Freedom without Responsibility.

Ride any motorcycle fast and you know what I mean by Natural Law as opposed to theoretical rights. Go too fast to make that curve and your body will suffer the consequences regardless of whether you believe in your right to speed. In the motorcycle community, a similarly hot topic is actually Mandatory Helmet Laws. Talk about taking away one's rights! AZ is one of the few (three?) holdout states that do not have a helmet law on the books. And yet, I rarely ride without a helmet myself and appreciate my rider friends' ability to decide for themselves. It really is a different sensation to ride "free" of a helmet.

Yet if you've not seen human brain spilled on asphalt and you've never seen all emergency staff, resources, and ER room procedures consumed in a motorcycle accident, billed even if you can't save the rider, you don't really have all the information necessary to make an informed decision on a issue with very social consequences. Healthcare if never free... we all pay for that bill one way or another.

You see what I am trying to say? I'm trying to keep things practical when discussing a hot-button topic about personal rights vs society's laws. I don't pretend to know what THE RIGHT answers are, but I will not refrain from injecting a strong fact to a good discussion if I feel it would help lead one to reason. I wouldn't imagine anyone here on our forum would want otherwise. Because the alternative is the mindlessly follow like cows and repeatedly suffer the same mistakes/pain over and over again. I am always for finding a better way if it exists, and creating one if it doesn't: the best of the American Spirit.

But truly, Rifleman, I would never think to personally come out just to insult anyone's views; especially not yours if that long-shot in your Avatar was your own...

So, if it is necessary, I am sorry for any of my mis-statements. I am always willing to take responsibility for my words and open to explaining myself if asked to.

The_Rifleman · 03-10-2012, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed~

Maybe I also misunderstood the intention of replies to this post such as "UM H**L NO" or "UHHHH,NOT NO, BUT HECK NO. NO FLIPPIN WAY" as coming down on the OP for his question.

That is a mod, if the mod was "reject[ing] certain topics outright," this discussion would be over!

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Originally Posted by Ed~

But if I am all for education of firearms safety and encourage any gun rights organization's efforts to push that "agenda" that leads to greater firearms awareness -I am also wondering, like the OP and others, if there are ways to do this without undue restrictive influence on our right to bear arms.

Take it upon yourself to educate people! Provide information, discuss actual firearms safety!

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Originally Posted by Ed~

I simply do not encourage the "protecting Rights at all cost" attitude because that contrary to some beliefs the 2nd Amendment is not always under attack and the Laws of Nature ensure there simply is No Freedom without Responsibility.

Indeed, the "Responsibility" is the shooters, I feel he should lose his "Freedom" for gross negligence or worse!

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Originally Posted by Ed~

Ride any motorcycle fast and you know what I mean by Natural Law as opposed to theoretical rights. Go too fast to make that curve and your body will suffer the consequences regardless of whether you believe in your right to speed.

Ridiculous!

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Originally Posted by Ed~

Healthcare if never free... we all pay for that bill one way or another.

Now it is getting surreal!

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Originally Posted by Ed~

You see what I am trying to say?

I'm assuming since you can't address the actual "topic" you're hoping the preponderance of words will make for a compelling argument.

The person that shot his friend should pay monetarily and punitively for his stupidity; he shunned his "Responsibility;" I didn't.

Ed~ · 03-11-2012, 03:08 AM

I concede on all points to The_Rifleman.

gun runner · 03-11-2012, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Juker

I'll have to respectfully disagree.

There is more than enough legislation, child safety warnings, OSHA regulations, etc. etc. to go around. As a society we're choking on it. A lot of gun owners take it upon themselves to get professional training. Some learn in the military. But by and large, I think it's handed down, or learned along the way. The percentage of accidental shootings versus the number of firearms is minute.

The government is obsessed with telling people what they can and can't do for their own good, because "they" know best. I'm for liberty and freedom. I'm truly sorry your friend got shot, and delighted he'll recover - but I don't want anyone telling me I have to go through more B.S. to buy a gun, or a chainsaw, or a car, or a steak knife. I'll bet more people are injured with yard tools each year than guns.

I cant agree with you more Juker.

gun runner · 03-11-2012, 03:33 AM

A firearm safety class before buying your first gun? Thats pathetic to even think like that.

03-05-2012, 05:44 PM	#27
Iron Eagle Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Louisiana Posts: 652	Re: My buddy was shot Friday night Some people assume that they can safely handle guns, and that nothing will happen. If I was going to show a gun to someone, first thing I woul;d do is make sure it is clear, and that they can verify it. Too bad for the guy in the hospital. Hope he gets better soon. No amount of laws or regulations will ever drive the idocy out of us. That's why time spent on a range getting to know a gun is time well spent. Talking to others many times will yield some very helpful people, but not always.

03-05-2012, 07:33 PM	#28
Gun Geezer Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,710	Re: My buddy was shot Friday night People have to take driver's education classes, driver's license tests and still thousands more are killed in auto accidents every year than gun owners. Driving a car is a privilege not a right and still thousands are killed and injured in accidents. Gun ownership is a right, not a privilege. The Government already has too many rules and regulations against stupidity. When will they ever learn, you can't fix stupid!

03-05-2012, 09:21 PM	#30
gvw3 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Chicago IL Area Contributor Posts: 3,241	Re: My buddy was shot Friday night No amount of training will help if you don't follow the basic rule of not aiming a gun at some one you don't want to shoot. I have seen and know a lot of people that just should not handle a gun. No training would help them. Guns are not toys, they are tools. Come to think of it I know some people that should not handle tools. __________________ Criminals advocate stronger gun laws to foster a safer work environment. This limits their exposure to risk.

03-06-2012, 02:03 PM	#32
al45lc Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: colorful colorado Posts: 1,016	Re: My buddy was shot Friday night This goes to personal responsibility and nothing more. As a gun owner, one has the right to keep and bear, and the obligation to society at large to do so responsibly. Any 'accident' or negligent discharge (the legal term) should fall on the head of the owner or bearer, as per the 'prudent person' rule. We are a society of laws and individual rights, and with that are huge and heavy responsibilities to the individual. That is as it should be, not some Govt. entity deciding who is 'safe' and who isn't. The problem are those who cry for their rights, but fail others in their obligations. __________________ You are what you do, when it counts.

03-06-2012, 02:18 PM	#33
time2shoot Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Brandon SD Contributor Posts: 2,599	Re: My buddy was shot Friday night UM H**L NO. __________________ I AM A VETERAN MY OATH OF ENLISTMENT HAS NO EXPIRATION DATE!

03-08-2012, 08:07 PM	#37
Ed~ V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: AridZona Posts: 171	Re: My buddy was shot Friday night Hey Paul, I'm glad you posted this question, even though you got flamed so harshly they made you want to push delete and crawl away. Some boys never learned not to kick a guy when he's down. I understand what many here are writing anyway -at a gut level. Many on this post react like this to any mention of licensing or registering firearms because it immediately strikes a bell in their heads that has "having our freedom's and rights extinguished" engraved on it. I know the feeling myself. Waiting more than 15 min for the background check is enough for me to start sweating and get shifty on my feet when I'm pawing a new gun with money burning a hole... You know that feeling too, I'm sure. As Beth and other's wrote, it truly is the responsibility of the individual to learn how NOT to shoot himself in the foot with his new toy (nor his friend in the belly). Yet now many times have we heard that about so many other fun things that could end up killing us or some innocent bystander before we finally made rules and laws to regulate them and the issue kinda just went away? We grew past that challenge as a society. Examples... let's see, uh, CAR? OK, how about Motorcycle? -Yup. Skydiving? Not yet, but they certainly won't let me take a single-engine Cessna up by myself even if I could afford a new one from the factory. Fact is, all our fun things are technology and technology is always changing and growing. Society has to grow and catch up with each new revolutionary technology. Smartphones are a great example. Do you know that some crazies actually hold a sandwich in one hand and the cell in the other, and steer going down the freeway with their knees? I've seen it! I was on a motorcycle when I seen it. Scared the living sh#t out of me to know I was sharing the road with that asshle. Yes, there is legislation going all over about not driving with your cellphone... hands free only. As if they needed another law alongside the first: No Texting while Driving? Jeeze-louise! Because we can all say it is the responsibility of the drivers not to rear end someone because they "should" be paying attention to driving rather than "tweeting" --until you are the one rear-ended by someone doing just that. If you survive the accident without life-changing injury, will you still be against more "frivolous" laws being passed regulating our lives? Me, I ride motorcycles. I cannot wait until such traffic laws are passed in every state. Why? Because I suspect I will not survive even the first such accident with a 2,000lbs car driven by a 180lbs idiot. Maybe, just maybe the guy behind the wheel will think twice if what he is considering to do has a fine attached to it... like wearing seat-belts. That, my friends, is how people really learn: by attaching consequences to their actions. So that is my heartfelt response to your heartfelt question. What happened between your friends was tragic. Everyone lost in that situation but at what point are we willing to ask how we can help prevent that kind of "accident" from happening again and again? It was not only a courageous act to ask that question, it was a rational one. Changes in the wind with regard to fun things and personal liberties. What Beth described in CT is what everyone one here fears: mandatory education before being licensed to carry (or own). But I don't know what THE answer is. I would not like to see more regulations limiting my freedoms because, hell, I've got my sht together (ha ha). But I also know the value of rules & regs that serve to curb someone else's stupidity or thoughtlessness for my own safety. It is a trade-off, like everything in life: a balance. Cars, motorcycles, smartphones, and guns. To me they are all fun to play with and not one is holier than another. -So shoot me... Last edited by Ed~; 03-09-2012 at 02:38 PM..

03-09-2012, 06:10 AM	#38
CD Woods Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 40	Re: My buddy was shot Friday night Accidents will happen, and stupid is stupid. Sorry, but these two (2) comments are facts of life. We do not need more regulations or permissions granted from Local, State, or Federal Governments. The more we allow someone else to know what is right for us the more rights and responsibilities we forfeit.

03-09-2012, 09:17 AM	#39
45Auto Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,116	Re: My buddy was shot Friday night It would be a good idea to have hunter safety classes in high school, they did when I was a kid, it was part of physical education, but I'm not sure if there is any such instruction now. The Eddie Eagle program of the NRA is good for younger kids. At this point, Michigan requires 10 hours of instruction prior to the issue of a concealed weapon permit. NRA instructors do these courses. No one seems to mind these courses of instruction. I'm not so sure about compulsory education prior to buying a firearm. It might be nice if you got a discount or some other special incentive to take a voluntary gun safety class, people are more likely to pay attention and get something out of the experience.

03-09-2012, 03:10 PM	#42
al45lc Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: colorful colorado Posts: 1,016	Re: My buddy was shot Friday night I've taken two safety courses, one was a joke. Now, consider this. Who taught the first firearms safety course? And who taught that instructor? Who taught Wilbur and Orville how to fly? Who taught Mr. Diesel how to drive? Not EVERYONE is so stupid and so foolish as to NEED a firearms safety course. Fact is, MOST of firearms safety is simple and good ol' fashioned common sense. Yes, there are those who don't exhibit that quality, but I don't like being lumped into that group by anyone, and that's what a safety course is out of neccessity, dumbing down to the lowest common denominator. So what about the person who can't afford one, like a single mother working two jobs because her no-good hubby flew the coop? Time and distance could also be a factor making it next to impossible to take one. These are situations that those that oppose our right to carry or even buy work to make happen. They figure the harder the better, the hell with the woman who is in danger from a crazed ex-hubby or boyfriend. This is the biggest reason I'm against it, first a safety course, then what? In the history of Govt.s, when have those that run them ever been satisfied with a little control? __________________ You are what you do, when it counts.

03-09-2012, 03:13 PM	#43
American Leader Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Iowa Contributor Posts: 1,630	Re: My buddy was shot Friday night No to the original question! And as far as government intervention in our lives, no again please. I want as little of all government at all levels as possible!

03-11-2012, 03:08 AM	#48
Ed~ V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: AridZona Posts: 171	Re: My buddy was shot Friday night I concede on all points to The_Rifleman. __________________

03-11-2012, 03:33 AM	#50
gun runner Former Guest Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: South Texas Contributor Posts: 1,871	Re: My buddy was shot Friday night A firearm safety class before buying your first gun? Thats pathetic to even think like that.