.22 ballistic coefficient - The Firearms Forum

BlackEagle · 03-09-2012, 05:09 PM

Got some .22 CCI AR Tactical the other day and like it. My old Jaeger is kind of picky about what ammo it cycles, and seems to like CCI mini-mag, and the CCI AR Tactical. Both shoot about the same precision. I was intrigued by a thread discussing long distance (>100yards) .22 shooting, and thought I'd try to work out the balistics for longer distances.

Does anyone know where I can get the BC for the CCI mini-mag solid point and for the AR Tactical? Both are copper jacketed round nosed 40 gr projectiles.

I can't see it on the CCI website.

Thanks.

JLA · 03-09-2012, 05:23 PM

Boy have I got you covered..

Long Range .22LR is one of my passions.

(.17 HORNADY MACH 2)--24-in.barrel, 1 turn in 16-inch twist)

HORNADY, 17-gr. V-Max Bullet (83177), 2100 MV, 166 ME, 0.125 BC

(.17 HORNADY MAGNUM RIMFIRE)--24-in. barrel, 1 turn in 16-inch twist)

HORNADY, 17-gr. V-Max Bullet (83170), 2550 MV, 245 ME, 0.125 BC

HORNADY, 20-gr. XTP (83172), 2375 MV, 250 ME, 0.1253 BC

REMINGTON, 17-gr. Premier V-Max AccuTip (PR17HM1), 2550 MV, 245 ME, ? BC---(BC, barrel length & rate of twist to be verified w/Remington.)

CCI, 17-gr. TNT HP Hollow Point (0053), 2525 MV, 241 ME, 0.110 BC (Appx.)---(Barrel length: 24 in., rate-of-twist: 1 turn in 9 in., and BC, approximated, as per verification w/ CCI.)

FEDERAL, 17-gr. Speer TNT JHP (P770), 2550 MV, 245 ME, 0.100 BC---(24-inch barrel length, rate-of-twist: 1 turn in 9 inches.)

FEDERAL, 17-gr. Hornady V-Max (P771), 2550 MV, 245 ME, 0.120 BC---(24-inch barrel length, rate-of-twist: 1 turn in 9 inches.)

(.22 SHORT--24-in. barrel, 1 turn in 16-inch twist)

CCI, 29-gr. Short High Speed Solid (0027), 1132 MV, 83 ME, 0.105 BC
CCI, 27-gr. Short HP (0028), 1164 MV, 81 ME, 0.105 BC
SELLIER and BELLOT, 28-gr. Short (SBA02204), 932 MV, 54 ME, 0.065 BC
RWS, 28-gr. Short R25 (213 4267), 560 MV, 20 ME, 0.047 BC
AGUILA, 29-gr. Short High Velocity, 1095 MV, 77 ME, 0.105 BC
REMINGTON, 29-gr. Short Solid (1022), 1095 MV, 77 ME, 0.105 BC

WINCHESTER, 29-gr. Short Standard Vel. Solid (X22S), 1095 MV, 77 ME, 0.105 BC

CCI, 29-gr. Short Target Solid (0037), 830 MV, 44 ME, 0.074 BC
ELEY, 29-gr. Short Rapid Fire Match, 750 MV, 36 ME, 0.050 BC

CCI, 29-gr. Short CB Lead Round Nose Solid (0026), 727 MV, 33 ME, 0.072 BC---(Note: CCI's ballistics do not list a BC. They show MV out of a 6-inch handgun barrel as 706 fps with 32 ME.)

FIOCCHI, 29-gr. Short Round Nose Compensated Solid (22SM200), 650 MV, 27 ME, 0.110 BC

(.22 LONG--24-in. barrel, 1 turn in 16-inch twist)

CCI, 29-gr. Long High Speed (0029), 1180 MV, 90 ME, 0.109 BC

CCI, CB Long Solid (0038), 727 MV, 33 ME, 0.072 BC---(Note: CCI's ballistics do not list a BC. They show MV out of a 6-inch handgun barrel as 706 fps with 32 ME.)

(.22 LONG RIFLE, Standard Vel. & Match Ammo--24-in. barrel, 1 turn in 16-inch twist)

SWARTKLIP, 13-gr. LR SDP Subsonic Diabolo Pellet (SK006), 480 MV, 7 ME ? BC---(BC & rate of twist to be verified w/ArmsCorpUSA. Barrel length: 24 in.)

LAPUA, 36-gr. LR Subsonic HP (4312246), 1033 MV, 85 ME, 0.118 BC
REMINGTON, 38-gr. LR Subsonic HP (SUB22HP), 1050 MV, 93 ME, 0.125 BC
AGUILA, 38-gr. LR Subsonic HP, 1025 MV, 88 MV, 0.111 BC
PMC, 38-gr. LR Modrator Subsonic Vel. (22SS), 1000 MV, 84 ME, 0.107 BC
RWS, 40-gr. R100 (213 4195), 1175 MV, 123 ME, 0.130 BC

REMINGTON, 40-gr. LR Target Solid (6122) (6100), 1150 MV, 117 ME, 0.149 BC

WINCHESTER, 40-gr. T22 LR Std. Vel. Solid (XT22LR), 1150 MV, 117 ME, 0.149 BC

FEDERAL, 40-gr. LR Ultramatch Solid (UM1), 1140 MV, 115 ME, 0.149 BC
FEDERAL, 40-gr. LR Match Solid (900), 1140 MV, 115 ME, 0.149 BC
AGUILA, 40-gr. LR Std. Vel., 1135 MV, 114 ME, 0.158 BC

PMC, 40-gr. Scoremaster LR Std. Vel. Solid (22SM), 1135 MV, 114 ME, 0.111 BC

FIOCCHI, 40-gr. LR Biathlon Match Solid (22SM340), 1120 MV, 111 ME, 0.140 BC=Estimated

AGUILA, 40-gr. LR Match Golden Eagle, 1100 MV, 110 ME, 0.109 BC
LAPUA, 40-gr. LR Polar Biathlon Solid (4317023), 1100 MV, 107 ME, 0.108 BC
ELEY, 40-gr. Tenex Ultimate EPS, 1085 MV, 105 ME, 0.150 BC
ELEY, 40-gr. Match EPS, 1085 MV, 105 ME, 0.150 BC
ELEY, 40-gr. Club, 1085 MV, 105 ME, 0.150 BC
ELEY, 40-gr. Target, 1085 MV, 105 ME, 0.105 BC
ELEY, 40-gr. Practice, 1085 MV, 105 ME, 0.150 BC
ELEY, 40-gr. Standard, 1085 MV, 105 ME, 0.150 BC
ELEY, 40-gr. Biathlon Match, 1085 MV, 105 ME, 0.150 BC
ELEY, 40-gr. LR Silhouex, 1085 MV, 105 ME, 0.150 BC
REMINGTON/ELEY,40-gr. Match EPS (RE22EPS), 1085 MV, 105 ME, 0.149 BC
REMINGTON/ELEY, 40-gr. Club Extra (RE22CX), 1085 MV, 105 ME, 0.149 BC
REMINGTON/ELEY, 40-gr. Target Rifle (RE22T), 1085 MV, 105 ME, 0.149 BC
AGUILA, 40-gr. Match Rifle, 1080 MV, 100 ME, 0.197 BC

SELLIER and BELLOT, 40-gr. LR SB Standard (SBA02201), 1084 MV, 104 ME, 0.131 BC

SELLIER and BELLOT, 40-gr. LR SB Standard (SBA02202), 1084 MV, 104 ME, 0.131 BC

FEDERAL, 40-gr. LR Ultramatch Solid (UM1B), 1080 MV, 105 ME, 0.139 BC
FEDERAL, 40-gr. LR Target Solid (711B), 1080 MV, 105 ME, 0.138 BC
FEDERAL, 40-gr. LR Match Solid (900B), 1080 MV, 105 ME, 0.139 BC
RWS, 40-gr. LR Target Rifle (213 2478), 1080 MV, 100 ME, 0.109 BC
CCI, 40-gr. LR Std. Vel. Solid (0032), 1070 MV, 100 ME, 0.105 BC
CCI, 40-gr. LR Green Tag Comp. Solid (0033), 1070 MV, 100 ME, 0.105 BC
CCI, 40-gr. LR Pistol Match Solid (0051), 1070 MV, 100 ME, 0.105 BC
RWS, 40-gr. LR R50 (21304187), 1070 MV, 100 ME, 0.105 BC
LAPUA, 40-gr. LR Master Solid (4317033), 1066 MV, 101 ME, 0.132 BC
LAPUA, 40-gr. LR Midas L Solid (4317022), 1066 MV, 101 ME, 0.132 BC
LAPUA, 40-gr. LR Midas M Solid (4317021), 1066 MV, 101 ME, 0.132 BC
NORMA 1, 40-gr. Lead, Round Nose (15613), 1066 MV, 101 ME, 0.132 BC
NORMA 2, 40-gr. Lead, Round Nose (15614), 1066 MV, 101 ME, 0.132 BC
NORMA 3, 40-gr. Lead, Round Nose (15615), 1066 MV, 101 ME, 0.132 BC
FIOCCHI, 40-gr. LR-Rifle Match Solid (22SM320), 1050 MV, 98 ME, 0.140 BC
FIOCCHI, 40-gr. LR Match Trng. Solid (22M320), 1050 MV, 98 ME, 0.130 BC
LAPUA, 40-gr. LR Super Club Solid (4317066), 1050 MV, 98 ME, 0.114 BC
LAPUA, 40-gr. LR Std. Rifle Club Solid (43122420), 1050 MV, 98 ME, 0.114 BC
WOLF, 40-gr. LR Match Target Solid Round Nose, 1050 MV, 97.91 ME, ? BC*
WOLF, 40-gr. LR Match Extra Solid Round Nose, 1033 MV, 94.77 ME, ? BC*
WOLF, 40-gr. LR Match Gold Solid Round Nose, 1033 MV, 94.77 ME, ? BC*
PMC, 40-gr. Match Rifle (22MR), 1050 MV, 98 ME, 0.110 BC
RWS, 40-gr. LR Rifle Match (213 4225), 1035 MV, 95 ME, 0.096 BC
ELEY, 40-gr. Tenex Ultimate EPS Pistol, 1030 MV, 94 ME, 0.109 BC
ELEY, 40-gr. Pistol Xtra, 1030 MV, 94 ME, 0.109 BC
ELEY, 40-gr. Target Pistol, 1030 MV, 94 ME, 0.109 BC
LAPUA, 40-gr. LR Pistol King Solid (4317031), 1033 MV, 95 ME, 0.130 BC
LAPUA, 40-gr. LR Pistol Trainer Solid (4312260), 1033 MV, 95 ME, 0.130 BC
ELEY, 40-gr. Pistol Match, 1000 MV, 89 ME, 0.140 BC
FIOCCHI, 40-gr. LR Pistol Match Solid (22SM300), 984 MV, 86 ME, 0.130 BC
FIOCCHI, 40-gr. LR Match Trng. Solid (22M300), 984 MV, 86 ME, 0.125 BC
PMC, 40-gr. Match Pistol (22MP), 900 MV, 72 ME, 0.095 BC
WINCHESTER, 40-gr. LR Lead HP (W22LRB), 1150 MV, 117 ME, 0.150 BC
ELEY, 40-gr. LR Subsonic Xtra Plus, 1065 MV, 100 ME, 0.115 BC
RWS, 40-gr. LR Subsonic HP (213 2494), 1000 MV, 90 ME, 0.092 BC
LAPUA, 48-gr. LR Scoremax Solid (4317030), 1033 MV, 114 ME, 0.144 BC
LAPUA, 40-gr. LR Multi Match Solid (4317020), 1100 MV, 129 ME, 0.134 BC
AGUILA, 60-gr. SSS Sniper Subsonic, 950 MV, 120 ME, 0.090 BC

*NOTE: Queried WOLF company directly to verify the above, however, they said they did NOT have available any of the BCs for the above three loads, nor did they list the length of the test barrel or its rate of twist. Will try asking them again for the BCs, test barrel length and rate of twist.)

(.22 LONG RIFLE, High Velocity & Hyper Velocity)

AGUILA, 30-gr. Super Maximum Solid P., 1750 MV, 204 ME, 0.102 BC
AGUILA, 30-gr. Super Maximim Hollow P., 1750 MV, 204 ME, 0.102 BC

FEDERAL, 31-gr. LR Hyper Vel. HP Copper Pltd. (724), 1550 MV, 165 ME, 0.107 BC

CCI, 32-gr. LR Stinger HP (0050), 1640 MV, 191 ME, 0.103 BC
CCI, 32-gr. Quik-Shok (0064), 1640 MV, 191 ME, 0.103 BC
REMINGTON, 33-gr. LR Yellow Jacket HP (1722), 1500 MV, 165 ME, 0.107 BC

SWARTKLIP, 35-gr. LR SLD Spitzer Low Drag (SK001), 1410 MV, 157 ME, ? BC---(BC & rate of twist to be verified w/ArmsCorpUSA. Barrel length: 24 in.)

REMINGTON, 36-gr. LR Viper Solid (1922), 1410 MV, 159 ME, 0.117 BC
SELLIER and BELLOT, 36-gr. LR HV (SBA02206), 1330 MV, 141 ME, 0.091 BC

LAPUA, 36-gr. LR HP (4312245), 1345 MV, 145 ME, 0.122 BC
CCI, 36-gr. LR Mini-Mag HP (0031), 1280 MV, 135 ME, 0.126 BC
REMINGTON, 36-gr. LR Cyclone HP (CY22HP), 1280 MV, 131 ME, 0.124 BC
REMINGTON, 36-gr. LR HP (1622), 1280 MV, 131 ME, 0.124 BC
FEDERAL, 36-gr. LR HP (730), 1255 MV, 125 ME, 0.125 BC
WINCHESTER, 36-gr. LR HP (XPERT22), 1220 MV, 122 ME, 0.105 BC
WINCHESTER, 37-gr. LR HP (X22LRH), 1280 MV, 135 ME, 0.128 BC
ELEY, 37.5-gr. LR HV Hollow, 1312 MV, 143, ME, 0.193 BC
SELLIER and BELLOT, 38-gr. HV HP (SBA02203), 1281 MV, 138 ME, 0.102 BC
AGUILA, 38-gr. LR High Vel. HP, 1280 MV, 138 ME, 0.124 BC

SWARTKLIP, 38-gr. LR SXHP Super Hollow Point (SK002), 1340 MV, 156 ME, ? BC---(BC & rate of twist to be verified w/ArmsCorpUSA. Barrel length: 24 in.)

AMERICAN EAGLE (Federal) 38-gr. LR Hollow Point Copper-Plated (AE22), 1280 MV, 140 ME, 0.132 BC

FEDERAL, 38-gr. LR HP Copper-Plated (712), 1280 MV, 140 ME, 0.132 BC
PMC, 38-gr. Zapper LR High Vel. HP CC (22D), 1280 MV, 138 ME, 0.109 BC

SWARTKLIP, 39-gr. STB Sabre Tip Bullet (SK004), 1340 MV, 150 ME, ? BC---(BC & rate of twist to be verified w/ArmsCorpUSA. Barrel length: 24 in.)

LAPUA, 40-gr. LR Speed Ace Solid (4312243), 1345 MV, 161 ME, 0.120 BC
ELEY, 40-gr. LR HV Solid, 1312 MV, 153 ME, 0.193 BC

AMERICAN EAGLE (Federal) 40-gr. LR Solid (AE5022), 1260 MV, 140 ME, 0.138 BC

FEDERAL, 40-gr. LR Solid, Copper Plated (710) (810), 1260 MV, 140 ME, 0.138 BC

FEDERAL, 40-gr. LR Solid (510), 1260 MV, 140 ME, 0.138 BC
CCI, 40-gr. LR Silhouette (0065), 1255 MV, 140 ME, 0.138 BC
CCI, 40-gr. LR HS Mini-Mag Solid (0030), 1255 MV, 140 ME, 0.138 BC
PMC, 40-gr. Zapper LR High Vel. Solid CC (22CC), 1255 MV, 140 ME, 0.121 BC
REMINGTON, 40-gr. LR Solid (1522), 1255 MV, 140 ME, 0.138 BC
REMINGTON, 40-gr. LR Thunderbolt Solid (TB22A), 1255 MV, 140 ME, 0.139 BC
WINCHESTER, 40-gr. LR Wildcat Solid (WW22LR), 1255 MV, 140 ME, 0.139 BC
WINCHESTER, 40-gr. LR Solid (X22LR), 1255 MV, 140 ME, 0.139 BC
AGUILA 40-gr. LR High Velocity, 1250 MV, 139 ME, 0.141 BC
PMC, 40-gr. Sidewinder LR High Vel. Solid (22SC), 1250 MV, 139 ME, 0.121 BC
CCI, 40-gr. Velocitor HP (0047), 1435 MV, 183 ME, 0.132 BC
RWS, 40-gr. High Velocity HP (213 2494), 1310 MV, 150 ME, 0.104 BC

WINCHESTER, 40-gr. LR Power-Point HP (X22LRPP), 1280 MV, 146 ME, 0.118 BC

SWARTKLIP, 45-gr. SHP Solid Heavyweight Bullet (SK003), 1225 MV, 156 ME, ? BC---(BC & rate of twist to be verified w/ArmsCorpUSA. Barrel length: 24 in.)

(.22 WINCHESTER MAGNUM RIMFIRE--WMR)

CCI, 30-gr. WMR Maxi-Mag + V HP (0059), 2200 MV, 322 ME, 0.084 BC
CCI, 30-gr. WMR TNT HP (0063), 2200 MV, 322 ME, 0.084 BC
FEDERAL, 30-gr. WMR Jacketed HP (767), 2200 MV, 325 ME, 0.088 BC
FEDERAL, 30-gr. WMR TNT JHP (P765), 2200 MV, 325 ME, 0.079 BC

REMINGTON, 33-gr. WMR Premier V-Max Boat Tail (R22M1), 2000 MV, 293 ME, 0.137 BC

WINCHESTER 34-gr. WMR Jacketed HP (S22WM), 2120 MV, 338 ME, 0.102 BC
CCI, 40-gr. WMR Maxi-Mag Solid (0023), 1910 MV, 324 ME, 0.110 BC
FEDERAL, 40-gr. WMR FMJ Solid (737), 1910 MV, 325 ME, 0.111 BC

PMC, 40-gr. WMR Predator Magnum Jacketed Soft Point (22WMA), 1910 MV, 324 ME, 0.183 BC

PMC, 40-gr. WMR Predator Magnum Jacketed Hollow Point (22WMB), 1910 MV, 324 ME, 0.183 BC

REMINGTON, 40-gr. WMR Pointed Soft Point Solid (R22M2), 1910 MV, 324 ME, 0.114 BC

WINCHESTER, 40-gr. WMR FMJ Solid (X22M), 1910 MV, 324 ME, 0.110 BC
CCI, 40-gr. WMR Maxi-Mag HP (0024), 1910 MV, 324 ME, 0.110 BC
REMINGTON, 40-gr. WMR Jacketed HP (R22M2), 1910 MV, 324 ME, 0.116 BC
WINCHESTER, 40-gr. WMR Jacketed HP (X22MH), 1910 MV, 324 ME, 0.110 BC
FEDERAL, 50-gr. WMR Jacketed HP (757), 1650 MV, 302 ME, 0.158 BC

JLA · 03-09-2012, 05:25 PM

I highlighted your request in red. The CCI AR ammo should have pretty darn close to the same figures for calculating long range shots. I think it runs close to the same velocity too.

BlackEagle · 03-10-2012, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JLA

I highlighted your request in red. The CCI AR ammo should have pretty darn close to the same figures for calculating long range shots. I think it runs close to the same velocity too.

Wow!! It's like hitting the jackpot on one of those one-armed bandits!! The info just keeps coming. Thanks, JLA.

The AR Tactical has a quoted speed on the box of 1200 fps. I tried it out at the range today. At 25 yards I got this (bench rest) out of my Jaeger, which is not really a tack driver, but is fun to shoot.

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JLA · 03-10-2012, 06:01 PM

Shoot thats good enough! Nice shootn!

BlackEagle · 03-10-2012, 07:34 PM

Thanks. I like it when a group comes together.

JLA · 03-10-2012, 08:57 PM

you and me both. Heres a couple bug holes i shot at 50 yds with my rem 5 and aguila GE match rifle ammo, right after I stumbled across this solid gold rimfire ballistic info.

BlackEagle · 03-10-2012, 09:21 PM

That's a tack driver. Excellent shooting.

JLA · 03-10-2012, 11:23 PM

Love it. Its my 200 yd beer can buster.

The_Rifleman · 03-11-2012, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by JLA

Boy have I got you covered..

I was going to ask that question myself when the wind drift seemed to be a lot less than I thought it should have been.

Thanks for the info!

BlackEagle · 03-12-2012, 01:20 PM

Just got this info from the CCI people in reply to their web-based contact form:

Each bullet for the Mini-Mag 40 grain and AR-Tactical have a .124 BC.

Austin @ CCI/Speer

The AR round has a slightly different shape to the mini-mag. Not sure how they can both have the same BC. Any hints? Have they changed the shape of the mini-mag head?

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JLA · 03-12-2012, 07:57 PM

Dunno. Usually a different Ogive profile means a different BC. Test them at 200 yds using the BC known for the CCI minimag and see if they share a common POI. If the BCs and velocities match then they should have the same POI.

Im thinkin the changed the nose profile a bit to facilitate better feeding in the AR.

BlackEagle · 03-13-2012, 12:56 PM

Thanks. Will do. It'll have to be 100 yards--that's all our club range will do. The club goes out to the military range on certain days where we can get longer range shooting--up to 600 yards, but only with center fire rifles. We're under militay rules there.

JLA · 03-13-2012, 07:19 PM

100 should be enough. The results will be less profound, but you should be able to tell if theyre gonna hit the same POI.

BlackEagle · 03-28-2012, 07:08 AM

Finally got to the range to do some testing at 100 yards. 10 rounds of each type of CCI minimag. The POI's are different, but so are the velocities. These are shot from a Jaeger AR-15 look-alike which is fun to shoot, but not a tack driver. Maybe I'll get one of those some day.

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CCI AR Tactical: 1200 fps
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CCI Minimag HP is a little more scattered:
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Just for what it's worth.

carver · 03-28-2012, 08:26 AM

Josh, have you looked at this site? http://www.shootingsoftware.com/

JLA · 03-28-2012, 05:56 PM

sweet!

ryan42 · 03-28-2012, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JLA

I highlighted your request in red. The CCI AR ammo should have pretty darn close to the same figures for calculating long range shots. I think it runs close to the same velocity too.

you got some mad typing skills

BETH · 03-28-2012, 06:39 PM

nice shooting

JLA · 03-28-2012, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ryan42

you got some mad typing skills

I didnt type it. I just borrowed it from another site a good long while back. Its been saved in my favs ever since.

BlackEagle · 03-29-2012, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JLA

I didnt type it. I just borrowed it from another site a good long while back. Its been saved in my favs ever since.

I'm copying it and putting it into my shooting folder. Great info. And Thanks. I suppose the difference in POI is due to the difference in muzzle velocities--55 fps?

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Originally Posted by carver

Josh, have you looked at this site? http://www.shootingsoftware.com/

Looks like a good program. I have the CED chronograph and like it; I have trouble getting it to see the bullet sometimes--wrong light angle or something; otherwise a very nice setup.

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Originally Posted by BETH

nice shooting

Thanks, Beth; I'm spoiled with my .223 though. It knocks the center out of the target at 100 yards.

03-09-2012, 05:09 PM	#1
BlackEagle Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: UK Posts: 3,172	.22 ballistic coefficient Got some .22 CCI AR Tactical the other day and like it. My old Jaeger is kind of picky about what ammo it cycles, and seems to like CCI mini-mag, and the CCI AR Tactical. Both shoot about the same precision. I was intrigued by a thread discussing long distance (>100yards) .22 shooting, and thought I'd try to work out the balistics for longer distances. Does anyone know where I can get the BC for the CCI mini-mag solid point and for the AR Tactical? Both are copper jacketed round nosed 40 gr projectiles. I can't see it on the CCI website. Thanks. -->

03-09-2012, 05:23 PM	#2
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,319	Re: .22 ballistic coefficient Boy have I got you covered.. Long Range .22LR is one of my passions. (.17 HORNADY MACH 2)--24-in.barrel, 1 turn in 16-inch twist) HORNADY, 17-gr. V-Max Bullet (83177), 2100 MV, 166 ME, 0.125 BC (.17 HORNADY MAGNUM RIMFIRE)--24-in. barrel, 1 turn in 16-inch twist) HORNADY, 17-gr. V-Max Bullet (83170), 2550 MV, 245 ME, 0.125 BC HORNADY, 20-gr. XTP (83172), 2375 MV, 250 ME, 0.1253 BC REMINGTON, 17-gr. Premier V-Max AccuTip (PR17HM1), 2550 MV, 245 ME, ? BC---(BC, barrel length & rate of twist to be verified w/Remington.) CCI, 17-gr. TNT HP Hollow Point (0053), 2525 MV, 241 ME, 0.110 BC (Appx.)---(Barrel length: 24 in., rate-of-twist: 1 turn in 9 in., and BC, approximated, as per verification w/ CCI.) FEDERAL, 17-gr. Speer TNT JHP (P770), 2550 MV, 245 ME, 0.100 BC---(24-inch barrel length, rate-of-twist: 1 turn in 9 inches.) FEDERAL, 17-gr. Hornady V-Max (P771), 2550 MV, 245 ME, 0.120 BC---(24-inch barrel length, rate-of-twist: 1 turn in 9 inches.) (.22 SHORT--24-in. barrel, 1 turn in 16-inch twist) CCI, 29-gr. Short High Speed Solid (0027), 1132 MV, 83 ME, 0.105 BC CCI, 27-gr. Short HP (0028), 1164 MV, 81 ME, 0.105 BC SELLIER and BELLOT, 28-gr. Short (SBA02204), 932 MV, 54 ME, 0.065 BC RWS, 28-gr. Short R25 (213 4267), 560 MV, 20 ME, 0.047 BC AGUILA, 29-gr. Short High Velocity, 1095 MV, 77 ME, 0.105 BC REMINGTON, 29-gr. Short Solid (1022), 1095 MV, 77 ME, 0.105 BC WINCHESTER, 29-gr. Short Standard Vel. Solid (X22S), 1095 MV, 77 ME, 0.105 BC CCI, 29-gr. Short Target Solid (0037), 830 MV, 44 ME, 0.074 BC ELEY, 29-gr. Short Rapid Fire Match, 750 MV, 36 ME, 0.050 BC CCI, 29-gr. Short CB Lead Round Nose Solid (0026), 727 MV, 33 ME, 0.072 BC---(Note: CCI's ballistics do not list a BC. They show MV out of a 6-inch handgun barrel as 706 fps with 32 ME.) FIOCCHI, 29-gr. Short Round Nose Compensated Solid (22SM200), 650 MV, 27 ME, 0.110 BC (.22 LONG--24-in. barrel, 1 turn in 16-inch twist) CCI, 29-gr. Long High Speed (0029), 1180 MV, 90 ME, 0.109 BC CCI, CB Long Solid (0038), 727 MV, 33 ME, 0.072 BC---(Note: CCI's ballistics do not list a BC. They show MV out of a 6-inch handgun barrel as 706 fps with 32 ME.) (.22 LONG RIFLE, Standard Vel. & Match Ammo--24-in. barrel, 1 turn in 16-inch twist) SWARTKLIP, 13-gr. LR SDP Subsonic Diabolo Pellet (SK006), 480 MV, 7 ME ? BC---(BC & rate of twist to be verified w/ArmsCorpUSA. Barrel length: 24 in.) LAPUA, 36-gr. LR Subsonic HP (4312246), 1033 MV, 85 ME, 0.118 BC REMINGTON, 38-gr. LR Subsonic HP (SUB22HP), 1050 MV, 93 ME, 0.125 BC AGUILA, 38-gr. LR Subsonic HP, 1025 MV, 88 MV, 0.111 BC PMC, 38-gr. LR Modrator Subsonic Vel. (22SS), 1000 MV, 84 ME, 0.107 BC RWS, 40-gr. R100 (213 4195), 1175 MV, 123 ME, 0.130 BC REMINGTON, 40-gr. LR Target Solid (6122) (6100), 1150 MV, 117 ME, 0.149 BC WINCHESTER, 40-gr. T22 LR Std. Vel. Solid (XT22LR), 1150 MV, 117 ME, 0.149 BC FEDERAL, 40-gr. LR Ultramatch Solid (UM1), 1140 MV, 115 ME, 0.149 BC FEDERAL, 40-gr. LR Match Solid (900), 1140 MV, 115 ME, 0.149 BC AGUILA, 40-gr. LR Std. Vel., 1135 MV, 114 ME, 0.158 BC PMC, 40-gr. Scoremaster LR Std. Vel. Solid (22SM), 1135 MV, 114 ME, 0.111 BC FIOCCHI, 40-gr. LR Biathlon Match Solid (22SM340), 1120 MV, 111 ME, 0.140 BC=Estimated AGUILA, 40-gr. LR Match Golden Eagle, 1100 MV, 110 ME, 0.109 BC LAPUA, 40-gr. LR Polar Biathlon Solid (4317023), 1100 MV, 107 ME, 0.108 BC ELEY, 40-gr. Tenex Ultimate EPS, 1085 MV, 105 ME, 0.150 BC ELEY, 40-gr. Match EPS, 1085 MV, 105 ME, 0.150 BC ELEY, 40-gr. Club, 1085 MV, 105 ME, 0.150 BC ELEY, 40-gr. Target, 1085 MV, 105 ME, 0.105 BC ELEY, 40-gr. Practice, 1085 MV, 105 ME, 0.150 BC ELEY, 40-gr. Standard, 1085 MV, 105 ME, 0.150 BC ELEY, 40-gr. Biathlon Match, 1085 MV, 105 ME, 0.150 BC ELEY, 40-gr. LR Silhouex, 1085 MV, 105 ME, 0.150 BC REMINGTON/ELEY,40-gr. Match EPS (RE22EPS), 1085 MV, 105 ME, 0.149 BC REMINGTON/ELEY, 40-gr. Club Extra (RE22CX), 1085 MV, 105 ME, 0.149 BC REMINGTON/ELEY, 40-gr. Target Rifle (RE22T), 1085 MV, 105 ME, 0.149 BC AGUILA, 40-gr. Match Rifle, 1080 MV, 100 ME, 0.197 BC SELLIER and BELLOT, 40-gr. LR SB Standard (SBA02201), 1084 MV, 104 ME, 0.131 BC SELLIER and BELLOT, 40-gr. LR SB Standard (SBA02202), 1084 MV, 104 ME, 0.131 BC FEDERAL, 40-gr. LR Ultramatch Solid (UM1B), 1080 MV, 105 ME, 0.139 BC FEDERAL, 40-gr. LR Target Solid (711B), 1080 MV, 105 ME, 0.138 BC FEDERAL, 40-gr. LR Match Solid (900B), 1080 MV, 105 ME, 0.139 BC RWS, 40-gr. LR Target Rifle (213 2478), 1080 MV, 100 ME, 0.109 BC CCI, 40-gr. LR Std. Vel. Solid (0032), 1070 MV, 100 ME, 0.105 BC CCI, 40-gr. LR Green Tag Comp. Solid (0033), 1070 MV, 100 ME, 0.105 BC CCI, 40-gr. LR Pistol Match Solid (0051), 1070 MV, 100 ME, 0.105 BC RWS, 40-gr. LR R50 (21304187), 1070 MV, 100 ME, 0.105 BC LAPUA, 40-gr. LR Master Solid (4317033), 1066 MV, 101 ME, 0.132 BC LAPUA, 40-gr. LR Midas L Solid (4317022), 1066 MV, 101 ME, 0.132 BC LAPUA, 40-gr. LR Midas M Solid (4317021), 1066 MV, 101 ME, 0.132 BC NORMA 1, 40-gr. Lead, Round Nose (15613), 1066 MV, 101 ME, 0.132 BC NORMA 2, 40-gr. Lead, Round Nose (15614), 1066 MV, 101 ME, 0.132 BC NORMA 3, 40-gr. Lead, Round Nose (15615), 1066 MV, 101 ME, 0.132 BC FIOCCHI, 40-gr. LR-Rifle Match Solid (22SM320), 1050 MV, 98 ME, 0.140 BC FIOCCHI, 40-gr. LR Match Trng. Solid (22M320), 1050 MV, 98 ME, 0.130 BC LAPUA, 40-gr. LR Super Club Solid (4317066), 1050 MV, 98 ME, 0.114 BC LAPUA, 40-gr. LR Std. Rifle Club Solid (43122420), 1050 MV, 98 ME, 0.114 BC WOLF, 40-gr. LR Match Target Solid Round Nose, 1050 MV, 97.91 ME, ? BC* WOLF, 40-gr. LR Match Extra Solid Round Nose, 1033 MV, 94.77 ME, ? BC* WOLF, 40-gr. LR Match Gold Solid Round Nose, 1033 MV, 94.77 ME, ? BC* PMC, 40-gr. Match Rifle (22MR), 1050 MV, 98 ME, 0.110 BC RWS, 40-gr. LR Rifle Match (213 4225), 1035 MV, 95 ME, 0.096 BC ELEY, 40-gr. Tenex Ultimate EPS Pistol, 1030 MV, 94 ME, 0.109 BC ELEY, 40-gr. Pistol Xtra, 1030 MV, 94 ME, 0.109 BC ELEY, 40-gr. Target Pistol, 1030 MV, 94 ME, 0.109 BC LAPUA, 40-gr. LR Pistol King Solid (4317031), 1033 MV, 95 ME, 0.130 BC LAPUA, 40-gr. LR Pistol Trainer Solid (4312260), 1033 MV, 95 ME, 0.130 BC ELEY, 40-gr. Pistol Match, 1000 MV, 89 ME, 0.140 BC FIOCCHI, 40-gr. LR Pistol Match Solid (22SM300), 984 MV, 86 ME, 0.130 BC FIOCCHI, 40-gr. LR Match Trng. Solid (22M300), 984 MV, 86 ME, 0.125 BC PMC, 40-gr. Match Pistol (22MP), 900 MV, 72 ME, 0.095 BC WINCHESTER, 40-gr. LR Lead HP (W22LRB), 1150 MV, 117 ME, 0.150 BC ELEY, 40-gr. LR Subsonic Xtra Plus, 1065 MV, 100 ME, 0.115 BC RWS, 40-gr. LR Subsonic HP (213 2494), 1000 MV, 90 ME, 0.092 BC LAPUA, 48-gr. LR Scoremax Solid (4317030), 1033 MV, 114 ME, 0.144 BC LAPUA, 40-gr. LR Multi Match Solid (4317020), 1100 MV, 129 ME, 0.134 BC AGUILA, 60-gr. SSS Sniper Subsonic, 950 MV, 120 ME, 0.090 BC *NOTE: Queried WOLF company directly to verify the above, however, they said they did NOT have available any of the BCs for the above three loads, nor did they list the length of the test barrel or its rate of twist. Will try asking them again for the BCs, test barrel length and rate of twist.) (.22 LONG RIFLE, High Velocity & Hyper Velocity) AGUILA, 30-gr. Super Maximum Solid P., 1750 MV, 204 ME, 0.102 BC AGUILA, 30-gr. Super Maximim Hollow P., 1750 MV, 204 ME, 0.102 BC FEDERAL, 31-gr. LR Hyper Vel. HP Copper Pltd. (724), 1550 MV, 165 ME, 0.107 BC CCI, 32-gr. LR Stinger HP (0050), 1640 MV, 191 ME, 0.103 BC CCI, 32-gr. Quik-Shok (0064), 1640 MV, 191 ME, 0.103 BC REMINGTON, 33-gr. LR Yellow Jacket HP (1722), 1500 MV, 165 ME, 0.107 BC SWARTKLIP, 35-gr. LR SLD Spitzer Low Drag (SK001), 1410 MV, 157 ME, ? BC---(BC & rate of twist to be verified w/ArmsCorpUSA. Barrel length: 24 in.) REMINGTON, 36-gr. LR Viper Solid (1922), 1410 MV, 159 ME, 0.117 BC SELLIER and BELLOT, 36-gr. LR HV (SBA02206), 1330 MV, 141 ME, 0.091 BC LAPUA, 36-gr. LR HP (4312245), 1345 MV, 145 ME, 0.122 BC CCI, 36-gr. LR Mini-Mag HP (0031), 1280 MV, 135 ME, 0.126 BC REMINGTON, 36-gr. LR Cyclone HP (CY22HP), 1280 MV, 131 ME, 0.124 BC REMINGTON, 36-gr. LR HP (1622), 1280 MV, 131 ME, 0.124 BC FEDERAL, 36-gr. LR HP (730), 1255 MV, 125 ME, 0.125 BC WINCHESTER, 36-gr. LR HP (XPERT22), 1220 MV, 122 ME, 0.105 BC WINCHESTER, 37-gr. LR HP (X22LRH), 1280 MV, 135 ME, 0.128 BC ELEY, 37.5-gr. LR HV Hollow, 1312 MV, 143, ME, 0.193 BC SELLIER and BELLOT, 38-gr. HV HP (SBA02203), 1281 MV, 138 ME, 0.102 BC AGUILA, 38-gr. LR High Vel. HP, 1280 MV, 138 ME, 0.124 BC SWARTKLIP, 38-gr. LR SXHP Super Hollow Point (SK002), 1340 MV, 156 ME, ? BC---(BC & rate of twist to be verified w/ArmsCorpUSA. Barrel length: 24 in.) AMERICAN EAGLE (Federal) 38-gr. LR Hollow Point Copper-Plated (AE22), 1280 MV, 140 ME, 0.132 BC FEDERAL, 38-gr. LR HP Copper-Plated (712), 1280 MV, 140 ME, 0.132 BC PMC, 38-gr. Zapper LR High Vel. HP CC (22D), 1280 MV, 138 ME, 0.109 BC SWARTKLIP, 39-gr. STB Sabre Tip Bullet (SK004), 1340 MV, 150 ME, ? BC---(BC & rate of twist to be verified w/ArmsCorpUSA. Barrel length: 24 in.) LAPUA, 40-gr. LR Speed Ace Solid (4312243), 1345 MV, 161 ME, 0.120 BC ELEY, 40-gr. LR HV Solid, 1312 MV, 153 ME, 0.193 BC AMERICAN EAGLE (Federal) 40-gr. LR Solid (AE5022), 1260 MV, 140 ME, 0.138 BC FEDERAL, 40-gr. LR Solid, Copper Plated (710) (810), 1260 MV, 140 ME, 0.138 BC FEDERAL, 40-gr. LR Solid (510), 1260 MV, 140 ME, 0.138 BC CCI, 40-gr. LR Silhouette (0065), 1255 MV, 140 ME, 0.138 BC CCI, 40-gr. LR HS Mini-Mag Solid (0030), 1255 MV, 140 ME, 0.138 BC PMC, 40-gr. Zapper LR High Vel. Solid CC (22CC), 1255 MV, 140 ME, 0.121 BC REMINGTON, 40-gr. LR Solid (1522), 1255 MV, 140 ME, 0.138 BC REMINGTON, 40-gr. LR Thunderbolt Solid (TB22A), 1255 MV, 140 ME, 0.139 BC WINCHESTER, 40-gr. LR Wildcat Solid (WW22LR), 1255 MV, 140 ME, 0.139 BC WINCHESTER, 40-gr. LR Solid (X22LR), 1255 MV, 140 ME, 0.139 BC AGUILA 40-gr. LR High Velocity, 1250 MV, 139 ME, 0.141 BC PMC, 40-gr. Sidewinder LR High Vel. Solid (22SC), 1250 MV, 139 ME, 0.121 BC CCI, 40-gr. Velocitor HP (0047), 1435 MV, 183 ME, 0.132 BC RWS, 40-gr. High Velocity HP (213 2494), 1310 MV, 150 ME, 0.104 BC WINCHESTER, 40-gr. LR Power-Point HP (X22LRPP), 1280 MV, 146 ME, 0.118 BC SWARTKLIP, 45-gr. SHP Solid Heavyweight Bullet (SK003), 1225 MV, 156 ME, ? BC---(BC & rate of twist to be verified w/ArmsCorpUSA. Barrel length: 24 in.) (.22 WINCHESTER MAGNUM RIMFIRE--WMR) CCI, 30-gr. WMR Maxi-Mag + V HP (0059), 2200 MV, 322 ME, 0.084 BC CCI, 30-gr. WMR TNT HP (0063), 2200 MV, 322 ME, 0.084 BC FEDERAL, 30-gr. WMR Jacketed HP (767), 2200 MV, 325 ME, 0.088 BC FEDERAL, 30-gr. WMR TNT JHP (P765), 2200 MV, 325 ME, 0.079 BC REMINGTON, 33-gr. WMR Premier V-Max Boat Tail (R22M1), 2000 MV, 293 ME, 0.137 BC WINCHESTER 34-gr. WMR Jacketed HP (S22WM), 2120 MV, 338 ME, 0.102 BC CCI, 40-gr. WMR Maxi-Mag Solid (0023), 1910 MV, 324 ME, 0.110 BC FEDERAL, 40-gr. WMR FMJ Solid (737), 1910 MV, 325 ME, 0.111 BC PMC, 40-gr. WMR Predator Magnum Jacketed Soft Point (22WMA), 1910 MV, 324 ME, 0.183 BC PMC, 40-gr. WMR Predator Magnum Jacketed Hollow Point (22WMB), 1910 MV, 324 ME, 0.183 BC REMINGTON, 40-gr. WMR Pointed Soft Point Solid (R22M2), 1910 MV, 324 ME, 0.114 BC WINCHESTER, 40-gr. WMR FMJ Solid (X22M), 1910 MV, 324 ME, 0.110 BC CCI, 40-gr. WMR Maxi-Mag HP (0024), 1910 MV, 324 ME, 0.110 BC REMINGTON, 40-gr. WMR Jacketed HP (R22M2), 1910 MV, 324 ME, 0.116 BC WINCHESTER, 40-gr. WMR Jacketed HP (X22MH), 1910 MV, 324 ME, 0.110 BC FEDERAL, 50-gr. WMR Jacketed HP (757), 1650 MV, 302 ME, 0.158 BC __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

03-09-2012, 05:25 PM	#3
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,319	Re: .22 ballistic coefficient I highlighted your request in red. The CCI AR ammo should have pretty darn close to the same figures for calculating long range shots. I think it runs close to the same velocity too. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

03-10-2012, 06:01 PM	#5
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,319	Re: .22 ballistic coefficient Shoot thats good enough! Nice shootn! __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

03-10-2012, 07:34 PM	#6
BlackEagle Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: UK Posts: 3,172	Re: .22 ballistic coefficient Thanks. I like it when a group comes together.

03-10-2012, 08:57 PM	#7
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,319	Re: .22 ballistic coefficient you and me both. Heres a couple bug holes i shot at 50 yds with my rem 5 and aguila GE match rifle ammo, right after I stumbled across this solid gold rimfire ballistic info. Attached Images __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

03-10-2012, 09:21 PM	#8
BlackEagle Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: UK Posts: 3,172	Re: .22 ballistic coefficient That's a tack driver. Excellent shooting.

03-10-2012, 11:23 PM	#9
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,319	Re: .22 ballistic coefficient Love it. Its my 200 yd beer can buster. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

03-12-2012, 01:20 PM	#11
BlackEagle Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: UK Posts: 3,172	Re: .22 ballistic coefficient Just got this info from the CCI people in reply to their web-based contact form: Each bullet for the Mini-Mag 40 grain and AR-Tactical have a .124 BC. Austin @ CCI/Speer The AR round has a slightly different shape to the mini-mag. Not sure how they can both have the same BC. Any hints? Have they changed the shape of the mini-mag head? The Mini Mag is on the left, the AR Tactical is on the right.

03-12-2012, 07:57 PM	#12
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,319	Re: .22 ballistic coefficient Dunno. Usually a different Ogive profile means a different BC. Test them at 200 yds using the BC known for the CCI minimag and see if they share a common POI. If the BCs and velocities match then they should have the same POI. Im thinkin the changed the nose profile a bit to facilitate better feeding in the AR. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

03-13-2012, 12:56 PM	#13
BlackEagle Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: UK Posts: 3,172	Re: .22 ballistic coefficient Thanks. Will do. It'll have to be 100 yards--that's all our club range will do. The club goes out to the military range on certain days where we can get longer range shooting--up to 600 yards, but only with center fire rifles. We're under militay rules there.

03-13-2012, 07:19 PM	#14
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,319	Re: .22 ballistic coefficient 100 should be enough. The results will be less profound, but you should be able to tell if theyre gonna hit the same POI. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

03-28-2012, 07:08 AM	#15
BlackEagle Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: UK Posts: 3,172	Re: .22 ballistic coefficient Finally got to the range to do some testing at 100 yards. 10 rounds of each type of CCI minimag. The POI's are different, but so are the velocities. These are shot from a Jaeger AR-15 look-alike which is fun to shoot, but not a tack driver. Maybe I'll get one of those some day. Solid point, CCI Minimag: 1255 fps CCI AR Tactical: 1200 fps CCI Minimag HP is a little more scattered: Just for what it's worth.

03-28-2012, 08:26 AM	#16
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,290	Re: .22 ballistic coefficient Josh, have you looked at this site? http://www.shootingsoftware.com/ __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

03-28-2012, 05:56 PM	#17
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,319	Re: .22 ballistic coefficient sweet! __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

03-28-2012, 06:39 PM	#19
BETH Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: naugatuck,Ct. Contributor Posts: 6,676	Re: .22 ballistic coefficient nice shooting