Australian families in the dark on real cost of carbon tax - The Firearms Forum

jack404 · 03-28-2012, 07:52 PM

ELECTRICITY companies are refusing to tell struggling families and businesses exactly how much the carbon tax will add to their power bills.
They have rejected New South Wales State Government demands for transparency on power prices, claiming it is impossible to provide accurate itemised billing to every home and that it would put them squarely in the sights of the ACCC.
However, the O'Farrell Government will this week announce its intention to force all energy retailers to provide an "averaged" carbon tax liability on every consumer's bill starting from July 1.
Federal Treasury estimated electricity prices will increase by up to 10 per cent when the tax kicks in on July 1.
It has emerged taxpayers will be forced to bankroll the Gillard Government's own $45 million carbon tax bill.
The Federal Government's power bills, which cover the majority of departments and agencies, totalled more than $450 million in the last financial year, according to documents obtained by The Daily Telegraph. The expected carbon tax bill for next year for the government sector is estimated to total $45,655,915.
Premier Barry O'Farrell and newly elected Queensland Premier Campbell Newman have both called for greater transparency on the impact of the carbon tax on power bills.
The Gillard Government, concerned about a public backlash to the tax, is also negotiating with energy companies to provide households with a glossy pamphlet as part of their monthly bill.
But none of the three largest energy companies - AGL, Origin and TRUenergy - will commit to itemised billing for customers after July 1.
The power companies fear that itemised power bills, based on estimates of the affect of the carbon tax, may inadvertently inflate bills and lead to action from the ACCC.
ACCC chairman Rod Sims has warned any price gouging from the carbon tax will attract heavy fines. Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has threatened to introduce legislation into Parliament if power bills do not show the full cost of a carbon tax.
Mr Abbott has written to Ms Gillard demanding the Government "ensure the carbon tax's impact is fully transparent". "The Coalition is concerned that the government is trying to hide the true costs of the carbon tax from Australian households and business," Mr Abbott wrote.
Mr Abbott said total transparency "can only be achieved by itemising the carbon tax as a separate charge in the customer's account - thereby showing the impact that the carbon tax has on the total amount payable."
Acting Greens leader Christine Milne said greater transparency on energy bills "can only be a good thing".
But she said it was important that energy bills "set out how much the community is getting back through lower taxes, higher support payments and, of course, cleaner air and a safer climate".
Businesses are also demanding their bills be itemised.
Energy Users Association of Australia executive director Roman Domanski said: "We would welcome a requirement that the carbon tax has to be itemised so that customers can see how much is being passed on to them."
But he said the EUAA "would prefer that companies do it themselves" rather than have it forced on them by government. "There is so much uncertainty (about the effects of the carbon tax) out there that needs to be resolved," Mr Domanski said.
Major energy companies last night would not commit to itemised billing. Origin Energy said it was "committed to clearly advising our customers about the reasons for any price increase to help them better understand and ultimately manage their energy costs."
AGL said it was working on processes to ensure "the uplift in prices is fair and reasonable for our customers".

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/money/austral...#ixzz1qSy8S2az

here now ..

how long before its in the USA ?

a tax on what you breath out

what plants eat ..

will we tax tree's next ?

BETH · 03-28-2012, 07:54 PM

carbon?

jack404 · 03-28-2012, 08:02 PM

yep we signed onto the UN BS and got a tax on carbon dioxide

get out of the UN folks , this climate change BS despite being proven to be BS , is law here now and we are all being billed as we speak , we just dont know how much ..

we aint entitled to know now , thats in part thanks to obama and his backers covering his but here by screwing with our laws on freedom of information

now anyone can hide stuff and providing they have money , we'll never know

they can cause your costs of discovery to become millions very quickly and you dont get the info until its paid for ...

now the power companies wont tell us what they'll charge us because the gov wont tell them what the damn tax is , but we are all being billed and waiting to see what it'll be and bracing for the hit ...

and why i got off the system ...

Marlin T · 03-28-2012, 10:00 PM

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here now ..

how long before its in the USA ?

The libs here are working very hard to do the same. They WANT prices to skyrocket.

jack404 · 03-28-2012, 10:54 PM

DONT LET EM !!!

raven818 · 03-29-2012, 04:58 PM

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jack404
The Gillard Government, concerned about a public backlash to the tax, is also negotiating with energy companies to provide households with a glossy pamphlet as part of their monthly bill.

Now isn't that freekin special. A glossy pamphlet. I get one in every bill that hits my mailbox. The first thing I do, even before looking at the bill, is to throw the glossy in the trash mail pile. Good grief.

BlackEagle · 03-29-2012, 05:08 PM

Australia is not the only country. Occasionally something comes up in the Daily Mail about the cost of "going green" but the people here have been brainwashed so thoroughly by the rest of the media they won't see the truth even if it hits them over the head with a 2X4. The BBC leads the way. They have swallowed junk science hook line and sinker, and now we all have to pay. But people just don't seem to make the connection between junk science green energy and winter heating bills so high they have to choose between eating and keeping warm.

03-28-2012, 07:52 PM	#1
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Australian families in the dark on real cost of carbon tax ELECTRICITY companies are refusing to tell struggling families and businesses exactly how much the carbon tax will add to their power bills. They have rejected New South Wales State Government demands for transparency on power prices, claiming it is impossible to provide accurate itemised billing to every home and that it would put them squarely in the sights of the ACCC. However, the O'Farrell Government will this week announce its intention to force all energy retailers to provide an "averaged" carbon tax liability on every consumer's bill starting from July 1. Federal Treasury estimated electricity prices will increase by up to 10 per cent when the tax kicks in on July 1. It has emerged taxpayers will be forced to bankroll the Gillard Government's own $45 million carbon tax bill. The Federal Government's power bills, which cover the majority of departments and agencies, totalled more than $450 million in the last financial year, according to documents obtained by The Daily Telegraph. The expected carbon tax bill for next year for the government sector is estimated to total $45,655,915. Premier Barry O'Farrell and newly elected Queensland Premier Campbell Newman have both called for greater transparency on the impact of the carbon tax on power bills. The Gillard Government, concerned about a public backlash to the tax, is also negotiating with energy companies to provide households with a glossy pamphlet as part of their monthly bill. But none of the three largest energy companies - AGL, Origin and TRUenergy - will commit to itemised billing for customers after July 1. The power companies fear that itemised power bills, based on estimates of the affect of the carbon tax, may inadvertently inflate bills and lead to action from the ACCC. ACCC chairman Rod Sims has warned any price gouging from the carbon tax will attract heavy fines. Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has threatened to introduce legislation into Parliament if power bills do not show the full cost of a carbon tax. Mr Abbott has written to Ms Gillard demanding the Government "ensure the carbon tax's impact is fully transparent". "The Coalition is concerned that the government is trying to hide the true costs of the carbon tax from Australian households and business," Mr Abbott wrote. Mr Abbott said total transparency "can only be achieved by itemising the carbon tax as a separate charge in the customer's account - thereby showing the impact that the carbon tax has on the total amount payable." Acting Greens leader Christine Milne said greater transparency on energy bills "can only be a good thing". But she said it was important that energy bills "set out how much the community is getting back through lower taxes, higher support payments and, of course, cleaner air and a safer climate". Businesses are also demanding their bills be itemised. Energy Users Association of Australia executive director Roman Domanski said: "We would welcome a requirement that the carbon tax has to be itemised so that customers can see how much is being passed on to them." But he said the EUAA "would prefer that companies do it themselves" rather than have it forced on them by government. "There is so much uncertainty (about the effects of the carbon tax) out there that needs to be resolved," Mr Domanski said. Major energy companies last night would not commit to itemised billing. Origin Energy said it was "committed to clearly advising our customers about the reasons for any price increase to help them better understand and ultimately manage their energy costs." AGL said it was working on processes to ensure "the uplift in prices is fair and reasonable for our customers". Read more: http://www.news.com.au/money/austral...#ixzz1qSy8S2az here now .. how long before its in the USA ? a tax on what you breath out what plants eat .. will we tax tree's next ? -->

03-28-2012, 07:54 PM	#2
BETH Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: naugatuck,Ct. Contributor Posts: 6,676	Re: Australian families in the dark on real cost of carbon tax carbon?

03-28-2012, 08:02 PM	#3
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Australian families in the dark on real cost of carbon tax yep we signed onto the UN BS and got a tax on carbon dioxide get out of the UN folks , this climate change BS despite being proven to be BS , is law here now and we are all being billed as we speak , we just dont know how much .. we aint entitled to know now , thats in part thanks to obama and his backers covering his but here by screwing with our laws on freedom of information now anyone can hide stuff and providing they have money , we'll never know they can cause your costs of discovery to become millions very quickly and you dont get the info until its paid for ... now the power companies wont tell us what they'll charge us because the gov wont tell them what the damn tax is , but we are all being billed and waiting to see what it'll be and bracing for the hit ... and why i got off the system ...

03-28-2012, 10:54 PM	#5
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Australian families in the dark on real cost of carbon tax DONT LET EM !!!

03-29-2012, 05:08 PM	#7
BlackEagle Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: UK Posts: 3,171	Re: Australian families in the dark on real cost of carbon tax Australia is not the only country. Occasionally something comes up in the Daily Mail about the cost of "going green" but the people here have been brainwashed so thoroughly by the rest of the media they won't see the truth even if it hits them over the head with a 2X4. The BBC leads the way. They have swallowed junk science hook line and sinker, and now we all have to pay. But people just don't seem to make the connection between junk science green energy and winter heating bills so high they have to choose between eating and keeping warm.