Obama warns 'unelected' Supreme Court

[nffritos]

President Obama, employing his strongest language to date on the Supreme Court review of the federal health care overhaul, cautioned the court Monday against overturning the law -- while repeatedly saying he's "confident" it will be upheld.



http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...alth-care-law/

[flintlock]

Judicial activism, what a bizzare thing for a very left, liberal president to worry about. One would think that the judiciary making laws would please him almost as much as his ability to executive order them. Of course at the moment it does not appear to be a decision he agrees with.

[56Python]

It appears that our Anti-Gun President has fired the first shot at the Supreme Court since his first State of The Union Speech.

Did just one of the four Liberal Justices leak or all 4?

[musclehead]

you can't always read the writing on the wall from the 3 days of oral arguements, but it really didn't seem to go well at all for the prez.

June is a long ways off, we'll find out then.

[armoredman]

I would hazard a guess that Sotomayor and Kagan were in Dear Leaders private chambers delivering a report. I worry about the conservative justices health. Seriously, I don't put anything past them.

[56Python]

He could issue an Executive Order and increase the size of the Court to 12 members.
Let’s see … Rohm Emanuel, Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright and Hilary Clinton.

Roosevelt pondered it.

How's that for a nightmare?

[CampingJosh]

Originally Posted by 56Python

He could issue an Executive Order and increase the size of the Court to 12 members.
Let’s see … Rohm Emanuel, Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright and Hilary Clinton.

Roosevelt pondered it.

How's that for a nightmare?

Executive orders pertain only to the Executive Branch of the government. They are an administrative thing, the same as when I tell one of my employees to go clean the bathroom.

Now, the Executive Branch has enough power that these orders can cause huge damage to the liberties of the people, but changing the makeup of the Supreme Court requires an act of Congress.

[norahc]

But does he REALLY want to take on the Supreme Court? How hard would it be for them to revisit his birth certificate issue and declare him ineligible for office?

[Jim K]

Just remembering that at one time, the Joint Chiefs sent a reminder to all military commands that valid orders would come through the military chain of command and that no offical, regardless of title, could issue orders directly to a military unit.

No names or titles were mentioned.

Jim

[56Python]

Originally Posted by norahc

But does he REALLY want to take on the Supreme Court? How hard would it be for them to revisit his birth certificate issue and declare him ineligible for office?

How many men under arms does The Supreme Court Command? What Division of Federal Law Enforcement is not controlled by the WH? Who is the Commander in Chief of the Military. How many members of the Federal Police Force, Obama promised while campaigning, have already been hired? Why has Homeland Security placed orders for 450 Million rnds of 40 cal in addition to the millions of rnds of .223?

He scares me and I’m not afraid of anything.

[56Python]

Originally Posted by CampingJosh

Executive orders pertain only to the Executive Branch of the government. They are an administrative thing, the same as when I tell one of my employees to go clean the bathroom.

Now, the Executive Branch has enough power that these orders can cause huge damage to the liberties of the people, but changing the makeup of the Supreme Court requires an act of Congress.

When has he been stopped by the restrains of the Constitution?

I just hope that the Military and LE have more respect for their Oath of Office and The Constitution than Obama has.

[norahc]

Originally Posted by 56Python

How many men under arms does The Supreme Court Command? What Division of Federal Law Enforcement is not controlled by the WH? Who is the Commander in Chief of the Military. How many members of the Federal Police Force, Obama promised while campaigning, have already been hired? Why has Homeland Security placed orders for 450 Million rnds of 40 cal in addition to the millions of rnds of .223?

He scares me and I’m not afraid of anything.

How many of those took an oath of allegiance to him or his office? How many of them took an oath of allegiance to the Constitution?

The checks and balances in our Constitution work, just not right away.

[armoredman]

but changing the makeup of the Supreme Court requires an act of Congress.

So do appointments, but he demonstrated he doesn't care about limitations. Don't forget his own words, "I can't wait for Congress!" Whatever he will do, it will be soon.

[trespoe]

And don't forget the willing accomplices in the media, who will act like it is his right and duty to do whatever he feels fit to do.

[steve4102]

Originally Posted by norahc

How many of those took an oath of allegiance to him or his office? How many of them took an oath of allegiance to the Constitution?

The checks and balances in our Constitution work, just not right away.

Don't kid yourself. If he gives and order to the LEO Community or the Military it WILL be followed. Constitutional or not.
I have a few friends and acquaintances that are LEO and Military. I have asked them if they would follow an Unconstitutional order or risk their careers and pensions and refuse that order. Most of them said they are not Lawyers and do not make the Law, just enforce it. Yes, they will follow orders until they are ordered not to.

[flintlock]

WHat about all the unelected czsars that are dropping "regulation" all over the place? Isn't that just another sort of activism?

[al45lc]

Originally Posted by steve4102

Don't kid yourself. If he gives and order to the LEO Community or the Military it WILL be followed. Constitutional or not.
I have a few friends and acquaintances that are LEO and Military. I have asked them if they would follow an Unconstitutional order or risk their careers and pensions and refuse that order. Most of them said they are not Lawyers and do not make the Law, just enforce it. Yes, they will follow orders until they are ordered not to.

That's interesting, because MY friends in the Military (USMC) have stated clearly that they are NOT bound by ANY unconstitutional order, and would NOT follow one.
To the contrary, their oath is TO the Constitution,and NOT the administration currently in power.
Perhaps my friends are far more American?
I do not fear our Military, for the most part, they are US, not THEM.(the career politicos)
I think it an injustice to those who serve to 'carpet' charactorize them as them as blindly following orders.
In fact, if this were true, it would have happened already.

[musclehead]

did you hear the faux pas? he said "I'm sure the mandate will be struck... upheld" not an exact quote but close.

[Jerryboy]

Originally Posted by steve4102

Don't kid yourself. If he gives and order to the LEO Community or the Military it WILL be followed. Constitutional or not.
I have a few friends and acquaintances that are LEO and Military. I have asked them if they would follow an Unconstitutional order or risk their careers and pensions and refuse that order. Most of them said they are not Lawyers and do not make the Law, just enforce it. Yes, they will follow orders until they are ordered not to.

perhaps you should find different friends...

[raven818]

He's such an arrogant POS. I say all of the things I can't say here to my wife

Who am I???

I was born in one country, raised in another.

My father was born in another country.

I was not his only child.

He fathered several children with numerous women.

I became very close to my mother, as my father showed no interest in
me.

My mother died at an early age from cancer.

Although my father deserted me and my mother raised me, I later wrote a
book idolizing my father not my mother.

Later in life, questions arose over my real name.

My birth records were sketchy.

No one was able to produce a legitimate, reliable birth certificate.

I grew up practicing one faith but converted to Christianity, as it was
widely accepted in my new country, but I practiced non-traditional
beliefs and didn't follow Christianity, except in the public eye under
scrutiny.

I worked and lived among lower-class people as a young adult,
disguising myself as someone who really cared about them.

That was before I decided it was time to get serious about my life and
embarked on a new career.

I wrote a book about my struggles growing up.

It was clear to those who read my memoirs, that I had difficulties
accepting that my father abandoned me as a child.

I became active in local politics in my 30's then, with help behind the
scenes.

I literally burst onto the scene as a candidate for national office in
my 40's.

They said I had a golden tongue and could talk anyone into anything.

I had a virtually non-existent resume, little work history, and no
experience in leading a single organization.

Yet I was a powerful speaker and citizens were drawn to me, as though I
were a magnet and they were small roofing tacks.

I drew incredibly large crowds during my public appearances.

This bolstered my ego.

At first, my political campaign focused on my country's foreign
policy...

I was very critical of my country in the last war, and seized every
opportunity to bash my country.

But what launched my rise to national prominence were my views on the
country's economy.

I pretended to have a really good plan on how we could do better, and
every poor person would be fed and housed for free .

I knew which group was responsible for getting us into this mess.

It was the free market, banks and corporations .

I decided to start making citizens hate them and, if they became
envious of others who did well, the plan was clinched tight.

I called mine "A People's Campaign."

That sounded good to all people.

I was the surprise candidate because I emerged from outside the
traditional path of politics and was able to gain widespread popular
support.

I knew that, if I merely offered the people 'hope', together we could
change our country and the world..

So, I started to make my speeches sound like they were on behalf of the
downtrodden, poor, ignorant to include "persecuted minorities".

My true views were not widely known and I kept them unknown, until
after I became my nation's leader.

I had to carefully guard reality, as anybody could have easily found
out what I really believed, if they had simply read my writings and
examined those people I associated with. I'm glad they didn't.

Then I became the most powerful man in the world.

And then the world learned the truth.

Who am I?

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ADOLPH HITLER


If you were thinking of SOMEONE ELSE, you should be scared, very scared!

[steve4102]

Originally Posted by al45lc

That's interesting, because MY friends in the Military (USMC) have stated clearly that they are NOT bound by ANY unconstitutional order, and would NOT follow one.
To the contrary, their oath is TO the Constitution,and NOT the administration currently in power.
Perhaps my friends are far more American?
I do not fear our Military, for the most part, they are US, not THEM.(the career politicos)
I think it an injustice to those who serve to 'carpet' charactorize them as them as blindly following orders.
In fact, if this were true, it would have happened already.

I am not going to question anyone's patriotism or whether they are less American than you or I. I am just telling you what the people around me will do.

Lets not forget our history on matters like this either.
Lets talk The Massacre at Ruby Ridge. How many LEO/Military refused to obey these orders.?
http://www.stormfront.org/ruby.htm

The Waco Massacre. anyone refuse to obey here?
http://www.constitution.org/waco/mtcarmel.htm

How about the Unconstitutional Gun Confiscation during Katrina?? Any of your LEO/Military friends head down there and stop this unlawful confiscation? I didn't think so.
http://www.rightofanation.com/2010/0...icane-katrina/

It has happened before and with Obama at the helm it will happen again. And the results will be the same.

They will follow orders.

[norahc]

Originally Posted by steve4102

I am not going to question anyone's patriotism or whether they are less American than you or I. I am just telling you what the people around me will do.

Lets not forget our history on matters like this either.
Lets talk The Massacre at Ruby Ridge. How many LEO/Military refused to obey these orders.?
http://www.stormfront.org/ruby.htm

What part of the Constitution was violated, and what made those orders unconstitutional?

Originally Posted by steve4102

The Waco Massacre. anyone refuse to obey here?
http://www.constitution.org/waco/mtcarmel.htm

What part of the Constitution was violated, and what made those orders unconstitutional?

Originally Posted by steve4102

How about the Unconstitutional Gun Confiscation during Katrina?? Any of your LEO/Military friends head down there and stop this unlawful confiscation? I didn't think so.
http://www.rightofanation.com/2010/0...icane-katrina/

And it wasn't until after Katrina that the Second Amendment was ruled an individual right. So what made it unlawful? There are actually laws on the books that allow those actions during a declared emergency. And if they are found to have violated the laws, the courts will sort it out later.

[steve4102]

There are actually laws on the books that allow those actions during a declared emergency. And if they are found to have violated the laws, the courts will sort it out later.

Thank you, you made my point.
Obama's new/updated Executive order gives him the Legal right to confiscate, redistribute and ration everything from Energy to Food to Property to People.
All he has to do is "Declare an Emergency" and his orders will be followed. Period. When the smoke clears, if it ever does, the courts can sort it out later.
Those LEO and Military that refuse to act on his Executive order will find themselves in the Brig or worse. Ain't gunna happen.

[raven818]

A federal appeals court is striking back after President Obama cautioned the Supreme Court against overturning the health care overhaul and warned that such an act would be "unprecedented."

A three-judge panel for the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals on Tuesday ordered the Justice Department to explain by Thursday whether the administration believes judges have the power to strike down a federal law. A source inside the courtroom, who did not want to be identified, confirmed the incident to Fox News. The testy exchange played out during a hearing over a separate challenge to the health care law. It was apparent, however, that the justice who questioned the government attorney present was referring to Obama's recent comments about the Supreme Court's review of that law.

The source said the justice, Judge Jerry Smith, was pointed in his questioning of the government attorney, asking whether Attorney General Eric Holder believes judges can strike down federal laws.

Smith then ordered a response from the department within 48 hours. The related letter from the court, obtained by Fox News, instructed the Justice Department to provide an explanation of "no less than three pages, single spaced" by noon on Thursday.

All three judges on the panel are Republican appointees.

The Justice Department had no comment when asked about the exchange.

http://tinyurl.com/bl57h76

[raven818]

I'd like to add...just for a moment, think about the possibility of one of the liberal judges on the SCOTUS leaking the vote to bHo. And the vote WAS NOT against him. They said obozocare would be held up as constitutional.

ohboy gets on the tube, as he did, and in his own words threatens the court. The liberal crowd goes wild....atta boy, you go obozo. All the while knowing the vote went his way.

The decision is released in late June...obozo wins.

Now his subjects really believe he is their savior reincarnate.

Hows that sound as a for real possibility?