Relics or Antiques? - The Firearms Forum

Sylk206 · 04-12-2012, 05:10 PM

Hello!
I'm new to guns so forgive me if this is a very naive question..I'm trying to determine when these guns were manufactured? I think they might be WWII relics, but are they antiques (made before 1898)?

1-Nambo or Nambu Chinese Luger 8mm Pistol
2-Samcn M-1935A 7.65L Pistol
3-Glisenti 1910 9mm Pistol
4-Bodeo Bernardella Guardia di Finanza 9mm Revolver
5-Bodeo Midi 1880 10.35 Revolver

Thank you very much for your help.

Sylvia

Alpo · 04-12-2012, 05:32 PM

#1, Nambu, is Japanese, not Chinese. They were all made after 1898.

#2, based on the model number - Model 1935A - I suspect was designed in 1935, although your particular gun could have been made any time after that.

#3, same thing. First made in 1910, and yours could have been made any time after that.

The last two I can't find any reference to.

jack404 · 04-12-2012, 05:37 PM

The Guardia Di Finanza ( Finance Guards, ie, the Tax and Customs Service) have existed in Italy since Napoleonic Times

they were issued with Bernardelli made "Glisenti (or Bodeo, to give the proper name, as Glisenti was the original manufacturer of the Design back in Black powder days, (the M1874..Bodeo developed the later (M1889) shorter, lighter version for use with smokeless powder; Glisenti Siderurgica (Gl. Steel Works) were still the major maker right up through the First World War.
Bernardelli and also SFARE G Vt ( Army Assembly section, Gardone) made or assembled M1889s for all the Services in Italy during the 1920s ( Army, Carabinieri, Colonial Services, Finanza, and Regie Guardie ( State Police); Bernardelli was also able to sell these on the civilian market for Municipal Guards, prisons, etc.

Ammunition was produced by all the major Italian makers, (Gov't Factories, as well as SMI, Fiocchi, BPD, Leon Beaux of Milan, and Martignoni) in the "modern" M89/99 Gilded lead smokeless loading.

There is a little handbook in Italian, by the Editors of "Diana Armi" an Italian Monthly on Firearms, called "Le Pistole Bodeo" ( or similar title published som 20 years ago...a good analysis of all types of 10,4mm revolvers, both Bodeo system ( folding trigger,(Trooper's Model) and "officers Model" with trigger guard) and some of the other WW I substitues from Spain ( on the break-top S&W system) of which several tens of thousands were acquired, also in 10,4mm.

By the end of the 1930s, all front line officers and NCOs in all the services had been issued with Beretta M934 Autos, the "Glisenti" revolvers were relegated to Country Carabinieri and Local Police, and Non-essential services where the "Pistol" was more a ceremonial appendage than a tool of trade. Many were also shipped to the Colonies, where the heavy .42 calibre slug was more efficient than the small, 93 grain 9mm Corto projectile in dispatching animals and the occasional recalcitrant native. They were also simpler for the untrained native levies to start off on ( although by the time a native trooper reached Non-commissioned Rank, he usually had already upwards of Ten years service, and was quite well experienced with All types of Italian and Foreign Firearms, given the hotch-potch of equipment in the AOI.

Alpo · 04-12-2012, 05:42 PM

Re-read your question. Thought you were just trying to figger out if they were old enough to be "non-guns by virtue of age".

The Nambu is most likely WW2. Depends on which one you have.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nambu_pistol

The French 1935 - WW2 up through Viet Nam, or as the French called it, Indo-China.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le_1935_pistol

The Italian 1910 was WW1 and WW2.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glisenti_Model_1910

And I see from the Glisenti article that it replaced the Bodeo 1889, which it tells about here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodeo_Model_1889
So I'm guessing you either misread the model, or mistyped it in your post.

I found this about your other one. Not quite the same gun, as it is not 9mm.
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthre...-from-Glisenti

jack404 · 04-12-2012, 05:44 PM

there is a reference to a 1880 model but mainly in 10.4 mm not 9 mm

got no data other than a reference to it , no numbers made just that they made very few 9mm's in the 1880 model

and that that model did not stay in production long ..

04-12-2012, 05:42 PM	#4
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,659	Re: Relics or Antiques? Re-read your question. Thought you were just trying to figger out if they were old enough to be "non-guns by virtue of age". The Nambu is most likely WW2. Depends on which one you have. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nambu_pistol The French 1935 - WW2 up through Viet Nam, or as the French called it, Indo-China. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le_1935_pistol The Italian 1910 was WW1 and WW2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glisenti_Model_1910 And I see from the Glisenti article that it replaced the Bodeo 1889, which it tells about here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodeo_Model_1889 So I'm guessing you either misread the model, or mistyped it in your post. I found this about your other one. Not quite the same gun, as it is not 9mm. http://forums.gunboards.com/showthre...-from-Glisenti __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies.

04-12-2012, 05:44 PM	#5
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Relics or Antiques? there is a reference to a 1880 model but mainly in 10.4 mm not 9 mm got no data other than a reference to it , no numbers made just that they made very few 9mm's in the 1880 model and that that model did not stay in production long ..

04-12-2012, 05:10 PM	#1
Sylk206 Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 1	Relics or Antiques? Hello! I'm new to guns so forgive me if this is a very naive question..I'm trying to determine when these guns were manufactured? I think they might be WWII relics, but are they antiques (made before 1898)? 1-Nambo or Nambu Chinese Luger 8mm Pistol 2-Samcn M-1935A 7.65L Pistol 3-Glisenti 1910 9mm Pistol 4-Bodeo Bernardella Guardia di Finanza 9mm Revolver 5-Bodeo Midi 1880 10.35 Revolver Thank you very much for your help. Sylvia -->

04-12-2012, 05:32 PM	#2
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,659	Re: Relics or Antiques? #1, Nambu, is Japanese, not Chinese. They were all made after 1898. #2, based on the model number - Model 1935A - I suspect was designed in 1935, although your particular gun could have been made any time after that. #3, same thing. First made in 1910, and yours could have been made any time after that. The last two I can't find any reference to. __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies.

04-12-2012, 05:37 PM	#3
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Relics or Antiques? The Guardia Di Finanza ( Finance Guards, ie, the Tax and Customs Service) have existed in Italy since Napoleonic Times they were issued with Bernardelli made "Glisenti (or Bodeo, to give the proper name, as Glisenti was the original manufacturer of the Design back in Black powder days, (the M1874..Bodeo developed the later (M1889) shorter, lighter version for use with smokeless powder; Glisenti Siderurgica (Gl. Steel Works) were still the major maker right up through the First World War. Bernardelli and also SFARE G Vt ( Army Assembly section, Gardone) made or assembled M1889s for all the Services in Italy during the 1920s ( Army, Carabinieri, Colonial Services, Finanza, and Regie Guardie ( State Police); Bernardelli was also able to sell these on the civilian market for Municipal Guards, prisons, etc. Ammunition was produced by all the major Italian makers, (Gov't Factories, as well as SMI, Fiocchi, BPD, Leon Beaux of Milan, and Martignoni) in the "modern" M89/99 Gilded lead smokeless loading. There is a little handbook in Italian, by the Editors of "Diana Armi" an Italian Monthly on Firearms, called "Le Pistole Bodeo" ( or similar title published som 20 years ago...a good analysis of all types of 10,4mm revolvers, both Bodeo system ( folding trigger,(Trooper's Model) and "officers Model" with trigger guard) and some of the other WW I substitues from Spain ( on the break-top S&W system) of which several tens of thousands were acquired, also in 10,4mm. By the end of the 1930s, all front line officers and NCOs in all the services had been issued with Beretta M934 Autos, the "Glisenti" revolvers were relegated to Country Carabinieri and Local Police, and Non-essential services where the "Pistol" was more a ceremonial appendage than a tool of trade. Many were also shipped to the Colonies, where the heavy .42 calibre slug was more efficient than the small, 93 grain 9mm Corto projectile in dispatching animals and the occasional recalcitrant native. They were also simpler for the untrained native levies to start off on ( although by the time a native trooper reached Non-commissioned Rank, he usually had already upwards of Ten years service, and was quite well experienced with All types of Italian and Foreign Firearms, given the hotch-potch of equipment in the AOI.