House passes Cyberintelligence Sharing and Protection Act.

[whymememe]

Is the era of internet freedom coming to an end. Your internet information can be shared with the government in the name of cybersecurity. H.R. 3523 is near passing.

http://www.opencongress.org/articles...hed-to-Passage

[raven818]

IMO, it ain't going nowhere. The socialcrats in the senate would have to say yes, then bHo would have to sign it. Nope.

[RunningOnMT]

??? I'm confused.

In a snap vote last night, the House of Representatives passed the controversial Cyberintelligence Sharing and Protection Act, more commonly known as CISPA. The final roll call was 248-168, with most of the Republicans voting in favor and most of the Democrats voting against.

Am I reading this right? The bill would allow more snooping into our private business??? Then why would republicans vote in favor of it, and the dems against? Someone explain please.

[Haligan]

Originally Posted by RunningOnMT

??? I'm confused.

Someone explain please.

It's a big hoax, my friend. For decades we, the american people, have been hoodwinked into thinking that there is a difference between the two main parties.

The plan has always been to keep the masses fueding about token issues, while in the background and behind closed doors, the LEADERSHIP in both the Republican party and the Democrate party make deals and follow a plan laid out by the globalist bankers. I know I've posted the video before but I can't recommend it enough.

If you can watch at least the first 10 minutes, that's where alittle of this issue is discussed. But the whole video is definately worth your time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw

[raven818]

Originally Posted by RunningOnMT

??? I'm confused.

In a snap vote last night, the House of Representatives passed the controversial Cyberintelligence Sharing and Protection Act, more commonly known as CISPA. The final roll call was 248-168, with most of the Republicans voting in favor and most of the Democrats voting against.

Am I reading this right? The bill would allow more snooping into our private business??? Then why would republicans vote in favor of it, and the dems against? Someone explain please.

You would agree, I assume, that " something " has to be done to protect us from the chinese, other enemies and home grown nuts who would shut us down? I think everyone agrees on it. The possibility to do great harm to us has been referred to as a " Digital Pearl Harbor, and the resulting chaos and deaths will be much greater.

The latest report I could find ( 6 months into 2009 ) indicated:

The number of instances significantly increased in the first half of 2009, when there were 43,785 cyber incidents targeting the DoD, the report states. If this volume is maintained for the rest of the year, it will represent a 60 percent increase over 2008.

These cyberattacks are both damaging and costly, the report states. The military has spent more than $100 million in the first six months of 2009 repairing damage to its networks caused by cyberattacks, Army Brig. Gen. John Davis, deputy commander for network operations, revealed this April.

“The PRC [People's Republic of China] is also recruiting from its growing population of technically skilled people, including those from the private sector, to increase its cybercapabilities,” the report states. “It is recruiting skilled cyberoperators from information technology firms and computer science programs into the ranks of [the] Information Warfare Militia unit."

I also think we can agree that technology over the last 3-4 years has improved dramatically. The information above relates to china, only!

The chinese, or whom ever, only have to get one thing right to completely shut this country down, and destroy it completely in the process. Bring down the grid. No one knows for sure what time frame is involved in restoring it. The educated guesses range from six months, to ten years.

Power cut to businesses and hospitals. The inability to heat homes in winter or cool them in summer. Debilitating blackouts. Signs of Armageddon? Maybe. But they're also the potential results of a incapacitating cyber-attack on the nation's power grids, an act that experts say could happen at any time.

"The U.S. government and the American people should be more concerned about this," Rep. Jim Langevin (D., R.I), co-chair of the congressional cyber-security caucus, told TheStreet. "I don't feel that the electric grid is nearly as secure as it needs to be."

Despite new attempts to deliver cyber-security standards for power plants, legislators and security experts are warning of gaping holes that exist for hackers to exploit, further fueling concerns that critical U.S. infrastructures are at risk.

Langevin explained that a successful assault on the electric grid would dwarf recent attacks on corporations like Sony, Lockheed Martin and Sega, which resulted in compromised customer data, among other things.

Langevin says the the nightmare scenario resulting from parts of the grid knocked out could be devastating and wide-reaching. "It would affect the economy, and potentially, even cause loss of life," he said. "Imagine, god forbid, that part of the country was without power in the middle of winter."

As to private businesses/corporations, here's a couple quotes that are attention getting. It seems the feds don't care:

Cyber attacks on businesses have risen in frequency and sophistication and the monetary damages that accompany these incidents are rising as well. America’s corporations are under constant attack from cyber criminals, terrorists and rogue nation states. The devastating consequences of a cyber attack on our business community have now risen to a level where it must be considered a threat to our nation’s security.

So why has the U.S. Military and Homeland Security not moved to address this threat head on? The answer is easy – it is the private sector! There are regulations that come into play as well as the availability of resources to help; but the biggest reason is the private sector has not asked for help. Many in the private sector believe they “know more” or are “better at defending” themselves than the government entities. Those beliefs are no longer true.

How is this possible, we're the United States?

Cyber attacks are now expected to cause maximum damage because of the professional tools being used by the attackers. According to the cyber threat report released by Intelomics, the following list identifies the cyber attack techniques that have seen a significant increase in their level of sophistication.

* Internet social engineering attacks
* Wireless and wired network sniffers
* Packet spoofing
* Hijacking sessions
* Automated probes and scans
* GUI intruder tools
* Automated widespread attacks
* Widespread denial-of-service attacks
* Executable code attacks (against browsers)
* Techniques to analyze code to identify vulnerabilities
* Widespread attacks on DNS infrastructure
* Widespread attacks using NNTP to distribute attack
* “Stealth” and other advanced scanning techniques
* Windows-based remote controllable Trojans (Back Orifice)
* Email propagation of malicious code
* Wide-scale Trojan distribution
* Distributed attack tools
* Distributed denial of service attacks
* BotNets and Zombies
* Anti-forensic techniques
* Wide-scale use of worms
* Man-in-the Middle plus Man-in-the-Browser exploitation

Am I espousing an invasion of our privacy? Absolutely not!!

But, imagine us without electricity for just the minimum " guess " of six months. Since no one, anywhere, can correctly guesstimate what the time frame will be, we'll just be told that the Grid is down ( hmmm, wonder how we'll be told, no way to tell us? ).

There has never been any riots anywhere in history, that will compare once the populace finally figures what happened.

Generators? Nope. No place to buy gas. And all the places we know of to steal gas, will more than likely be empty once we shoot our way to them.

The law that bHo WILL NOT sign off on, to most, sounds like a great thing. It'll protect us all from snoopy government MIB's.

Refusing to sign off on it, could just as easily be the magic bullet that kills millions of people.

Most of the folks on the survivor shows have a plan that would, in their mind, protect them for a few months to a year. No it won't. They'll die trying to protect it because they're telling their neighbors about their stash. Soooo stupid.

Sure, in a short time scenario, wanting to help others makes us feel giddy allover.

There has been ongoing conversations here about Armageddon. IMO, if the chinese, or anybody, gets their act together, Armageddon arrives overnight.

It's like social security, medicare, medicaid, 401's and all of the other safety nets...it has to be addressed, like it or not.

BTW, all of those safety nets...if the grid does go down, they go down with it.

None of the above are fictitious stories being spread by the internet. They're real. With that in mind, what are you willing to give up to save yourselves?

Nothing at all? Best of luck.

[Haligan]

raven818,
I can see you did your homework on this issue and that is very commendable.

(here it comes)
HOWEVER,
this is a CLASSIC example of the Hegalian dialectic. Create a problem, let the people react, and low and behold here's the solution.

So time will tell if you are correct. But the way I see this is; "be very afraid, you WILL be attacked if you don't let us make this itsi-bitzy change to the free and unrestricted internet."

I'm tellin' ya the free and unrestricted internet is killin' them. They can't control the information right now. Maybe if they clamp down on the free information on the internet they can stop the awakening that is taking place all around the world. I don't think they will succeed. But like I said, maybe your right or maybe I'm right. Time will tell.

[RunningOnMT]

I made the mistake of supporting the Patriot act and am not inclined to make the same mistake again. I prefer liberty over safety. Haligan you are spot on.

[raven818]

Originally Posted by RunningOnMT

I made the mistake of supporting the Patriot act and am not inclined to make the same mistake again. I prefer liberty over safety. Haligan you are spot on.

There again, it's subjective.

Perfect Citizen could rightfully fall into the bucket of responsibilities of NSA’s defensive mission, but as argued recently, you cannot convince most people that the left and right hands of the agency are not working together, and that’s a problem if you are into things like liberty and freedom from unnecessary government intrusion and such. Having worked at the NSA and for related organizations, I know perfectly well how seriously agency employees take their responsibility to not “spy on Americans,” but I also know that in a panic, real or contrived, people will cave with the best of intentions.

What would any of us do, if we were told to do X, because it is a matter of National Security? Hard to say.

[millwright]

IMNSHO:

1. All of our activities - phone calls, letters, and more recently, E-maiil and/or forum posts have long been "tracked" by various agencies of the USG s o what's a a "secret" ! >MW

[raven818]

Originally Posted by millwright

IMNSHO:

1. All of our activities - phone calls, letters, and more recently, E-maiil and/or forum posts have long been "tracked" by various agencies of the USG s o what's a a "secret" ! >MW

Ultra Secret Google

[45Auto]

Big Corporate cash funds the elections. So, Big Corporations got what they wanted; immunity from responsibility to the American people. They can give our data to the govt and there is nothing we can do about it, no legal action, nothing.