Hearings On "Stand Your Ground" ...

[JohnHenry]

I, really, had hope that the Fla. Gov. wouldn't let something like this
get started.
If this goes anywhere we'll be seeing this sort of trash all over the country.


http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/f...-Investigation

[rcairflr]

It doesn't benefit criminals and as we all well know, liberalism is all about protecting the criminals and controlling the law abiding citizens.

[raven818]

Got to remember Scott refused to disarm folks with CCW's, just to appease those who think we'll all go nuts when the convention hits here.

And, all these folks are tasked with is giving opinions. Yes, some will be biased, but, this is the South.

[Caneman]

states like NY have "retreat" requirements in their self defense laws... you gotta runaway before you can shoot in self defense, even in your own home...

[armoredman]

Smith says there's plenty of evidence that the law needs clarification.

"You have prostitutes shooting their johns and availing themselves to this law. You have gang members having shootouts and availing themselves of this law. You have people chasing someone a block down the street stabbing someone to death and availing themselves of this law. I think those points need to be clarified."

That's a hell of a claim, anyone heard of this happening with this law?

Originally Posted by caneman

states like NY have "retreat" requirements in their self defense laws... you gotta runaway before you can shoot in self defense, even in your own home...

Mr Caneman, that's one more reason I love living in AZ, SYG and Castle Doctrine. I need not retreat from any place I have a right to be.

[Caneman]

Originally Posted by armoredman

Mr Caneman, that's one more reason I love living in AZ, SYG and Castle Doctrine. I need not retreat from any place I have a right to be.

good for AZ... what happened to your neighbor NM, why is that state so liberal?

believe it or not, here in CA we have a pretty good Castle Doctrine law (they rammed it thru in the 80's while CA was still a mostly conservative state), and SYG is incorporated in to the self-defense laws...

[Hammerslagger]

The USA has 50 states and several more territories that have their own laws and court precedents on the use of potentially lethal force, in defense of oneself, others, and property.

These laws and court rulings are usually similar; but can be and often are significantly different; and are frequently changing over time. Reactions to situations that would have been deemed justifiable, some years ago, are now crimes; and in a few states, reactions to situations that would have been crimes, several years ago, are now justified under statutory law.

At least one state (Texas, if it has not very recently changed) seems to still allows the use of lethal force to stop some property crimes. In other some states a situation that would have been a "stand your ground" justifiable homicide, becomes second degree murder if the person who is compelled to use potentially lethal force is found to have behaved in an overt manner that provoked the situation that put the killer in a "likely kill or likely be killed " situation.

Things are as they are. What we, as individuals, think is right or just, simply does not matter.

One would be wise to know the laws and court precedents on the use of potentially lethal force in all states where one spends much time.

MORE IMPORTANTLY, ONE IS WISE NOT TO GET INTO ARGUMENTS (OR EVEN VERBAL DISCUSSIONS) WITH PERSONS WHO ARE POTENTIALLY LIKELY TO TURN VIOLENT. If a discussion becomes heated, one is well advised to say "Your are right" and get away. Otherwise, you could be facing second degree murder charges if the enraged fool draws a gun and you have to shoot him/her.

I once worked for a native of Sicily in Detroit, named Vincent, who had a number of interesting, useful, and wise axioms that he lived by. They included: "SILENCE MAKES FEW, IF ANY, MISTAKES"; "TEACH YOUR TONGUE TO SAY: ""I DO NOT KNOW"" (OR REMEMBER). "OPEN YOUR WALLET AND YOUR MOUTH WITH CAUTION".

All of the above are especially good advice when dealing with persons who might turn violent.

[Caneman]

hammer, great advice i agree... add in situational awareness and avoidance along with "silence makes few, if any, mistakes" and i think these three could keep you out of a lot of trouble...