Springfield 1911 A-1 45 Cal - The Firearms Forum

jopa · 06-03-2012, 12:53 PM

I have a Para Ordance 1911 A1 made at the Springfield Armory .
left side of slide says Model 1911 A-1 Cal 45.
right side of slide has Springfield stamp and words-- Springfield Armory
and on the frame has PARA ORDANCE PAT Canada
Does anyone know where I can find out just what the Ser# means ( PG011769 )
I picked it up in a trade and want to rework the gun with the right parts

Semper Fi
jopa

Hammerslagger · 06-03-2012, 01:20 PM

Welcome to the forum.

It would appear that you have a 1911 type slide made by (or for in Brazil) a US company in Genesco Illinois that was founded in 1974. The Illinois company usurped the name of the US Government armory in Springfield, MA that closed in 1968. That being said, the current SA Inc. produces some very good 1911 type pistols.

Your frame (thus the pistol) seems to have been made by another company called Para Ordinance that was formed in Canada in 1985, then opened a USA branch in NC which was sold to the same company that owns Remington, in January 2012. Para pioneered the high capacity 1911 type pistols, and also has a reputation for very good quality products.

You appear to have purchased a "pistol assembled from mixed parts". Since neither SA in Illinois, or Para are considered to be collector items; it really does not likely matter from a functional viewpoint.

hogger129 · 06-03-2012, 01:29 PM

Looks like a Springfield Mil-Spec slide on a Para high cap frame. Somebody's Frankengun. Looks like it's been fitted with a bull barrel too.

jopa · 06-03-2012, 01:37 PM

thank you guys , I'll just try until something works then,,, doesn't even have a visiable barrel bushing like the 45's I remember .

3/2 STA SS · 06-03-2012, 04:10 PM

I used to have a "franken gun" with no serial # and was a .45 built during WWII. They called them lunch box guns because the workers would gather parts,place them in the lunch box and take them home and assemble them. It was a great shooting pistol,I wished I still had it.

JLA · 06-03-2012, 05:08 PM

Yep thats a P14 frame. uses 14 rod .45ACP mags. Feels like holding the wrong end of a baseball bat. The Slide is definitely SA. Somebodys parts gun indeed.

hogger129 · 06-03-2012, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jopa

thank you guys , I'll just try until something works then,,, doesn't even have a visiable barrel bushing like the 45's I remember .

Yup, bull barrels don't have bushing in them... Whether or not it's "better" than a bushing barrel, idk... Perhaps the pros in the 1911 section could shed some light on that... I would think that it's just another way of making the barrel heavier to reduce recoil...

JLA · 06-04-2012, 07:36 PM

IMO, a properly fit bushed barrel will outshoot a Bull. But there are those that will swear the opposite. And extensive research has been done to prove that in a production gun, they bear equal performance to one another.

06-03-2012, 12:53 PM	#1
jopa Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Fl. Posts: 2	Springfield 1911 A-1 45 Cal I have a Para Ordance 1911 A1 made at the Springfield Armory . left side of slide says Model 1911 A-1 Cal 45. right side of slide has Springfield stamp and words-- Springfield Armory and on the frame has PARA ORDANCE PAT Canada Does anyone know where I can find out just what the Ser# means ( PG011769 ) I picked it up in a trade and want to rework the gun with the right parts Semper Fi jopa Attached Images -->

06-03-2012, 01:20 PM	#2
Hammerslagger Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,099	Re: Springfield 1911 A-1 45 Cal Welcome to the forum. It would appear that you have a 1911 type slide made by (or for in Brazil) a US company in Genesco Illinois that was founded in 1974. The Illinois company usurped the name of the US Government armory in Springfield, MA that closed in 1968. That being said, the current SA Inc. produces some very good 1911 type pistols. Your frame (thus the pistol) seems to have been made by another company called Para Ordinance that was formed in Canada in 1985, then opened a USA branch in NC which was sold to the same company that owns Remington, in January 2012. Para pioneered the high capacity 1911 type pistols, and also has a reputation for very good quality products. You appear to have purchased a "pistol assembled from mixed parts". Since neither SA in Illinois, or Para are considered to be collector items; it really does not likely matter from a functional viewpoint. Last edited by Hammerslagger; 06-03-2012 at 01:23 PM.. Reason: add line

06-03-2012, 01:29 PM	#3
hogger129 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,069	Re: Springfield 1911 A-1 45 Cal Looks like a Springfield Mil-Spec slide on a Para high cap frame. Somebody's Frankengun. Looks like it's been fitted with a bull barrel too. __________________ Samuel Adams once said, "among the natural rights of the colonists are these: first, a right to life, secondly to liberty, thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can." Last edited by hogger129; 06-03-2012 at 01:31 PM..

06-03-2012, 01:37 PM	#4
jopa Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Fl. Posts: 2	Re: Springfield 1911 A-1 45 Cal thank you guys , I'll just try until something works then,,, doesn't even have a visiable barrel bushing like the 45's I remember .

06-03-2012, 04:10 PM	#5
3/2 STA SS Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Tampa Bay Area, FL Posts: 1,440	Re: Springfield 1911 A-1 45 Cal I used to have a "franken gun" with no serial # and was a .45 built during WWII. They called them lunch box guns because the workers would gather parts,place them in the lunch box and take them home and assemble them. It was a great shooting pistol,I wished I still had it. __________________ MORS DE CONTACTUS-DEATH ON CONTACT

06-03-2012, 05:08 PM	#6
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,319	Re: Springfield 1911 A-1 45 Cal Yep thats a P14 frame. uses 14 rod .45ACP mags. Feels like holding the wrong end of a baseball bat. The Slide is definitely SA. Somebodys parts gun indeed. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

06-04-2012, 07:36 PM	#8
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,319	Re: Springfield 1911 A-1 45 Cal IMO, a properly fit bushed barrel will outshoot a Bull. But there are those that will swear the opposite. And extensive research has been done to prove that in a production gun, they bear equal performance to one another. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!