The Chinese Want Your Guns - The Firearms Forum

RunningOnMT · 06-17-2012, 10:32 AM

http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/chinese-p...s-of-firearms/

Chinese plot to strip Americans of firearms

Jeff Knox explains how communist ideals converge in both Asia and U.S.Published: 3 days ago
by Jeff KnoxEmail

On May 25, the State Council Information Office of the People’s Republic of China published a report titled “The Human Rights Record of the United States in 2011″ as a counterattack response to a U.S. human rights report that was critical of China. The first thing on China’s list of U.S. human rights failures was our failure to adequately protect our citizens from crime and, specifically, the easy availability of firearms.

The report laments that, “The United States prioritizes the right to keep and bear arms over the protection of citizens’ lives and personal security and exercises lax firearm possession control, causing rampant gun ownership. The U.S. people hold between 35 percent and 50 percent of the world’s civilian-owned guns, with every 100 people having 90 guns.”
The same idiotic complaint we have heard from propaganda groups like the Brady Bunch and the Violence Policy Center for decades as firearms ownership has climbed sharply, while crime has simultaneously gone down to record lows.
As a matter of fact, the firearms portion of the Chinese report could have been written by Brady staffers, as it pulled up one bogus cliché after another, generally supported only by some isolated statistic or anecdotal example.
The report went on to attack the U.S. over our failures regarding freedom of speech and freedom of assembly. To support these assertions, they used select tidbits from reports about the way various governments shut down the “Occupy” protests (without mentioning the intentional civil disruption and unsanitary conditions associated with those protests) and critical essays from rights advocates like the Electronic Frontier Foundation complaining about government interference with the Internet. Columnists warning about potential dangers in the Patriot Act and erosion of rights in the name of the “War on Terror” were presented as proof of the nations flagging commitment to individual rights of privacy and due process, as were examples of wrongful imprisonment, police abuses and our overall prison statistics.
It’s not that these accusations are totally false or of no concern. We have our issues, and we certainly don’t always live up to our principles.
But a lecture on human rights from the people who committed the Tiananmen Square atrocity and are even now waging a long-running genocide against women and the unborn is the ultimate in hypocrisy. The fact that virtually all of the criticisms of our failings in the areas of privacy, freedom of speech, due process and economic justice are a direct result of misguided political leaders following down the path of socialist/communist government control and micro-management adds irony to the hypocrisy.
Certainly there are corrections needed in the laws and enforcement policies of our nation, but they are corrections that would move us away from the communist ideal and toward personal responsibility and individual liberty – things that the Chinese government abhors.
What is left unsaid in the Chinese critique of U.S. policies is the fact that we the people have the authority and duty – morally and legally – to change things any time we find the government headed down the wrong path. While there are issues, we retain the right and power of free speech and assembly, a free press and the power of the vote. As a last resort, we also retain the right, as expressed in the Declaration of Independence, to “throw off” an unjust government and “provide new Guards” for our future security.
I find it interesting that the first attack of the Communist Chinese against U.S. social policy targets the means by which we secure our other rights. Yes, the U.S. is awash in firearms of every conceivable design and capability, but the very numbers of those firearms belies the suggestion that it is the guns that cause the crimes. If this were true, we would have all killed each other long ago.
The fact is, that like cars or pharmaceuticals, firearms can be abused, misused and do great harm, but like cars and pharmaceuticals, they also serve the greater good. Only a tiny fraction of firearms are ever involved in criminal or accidental harm. The most common abuse being their use in suicides, which evidence strongly suggests would be carried out regardless of the availability of a firearm. Firearms are safely and responsibly possessed by over half the population and are used in defensive situations more than twice as often as they are used in offensive actions.
More importantly, the U.S. recognizes the right of the individual to be in control of their own security for self-defense and for the defense of families, communities, states and the nation.
To date, no gun-control scheme of any sort has ever been proven to deliver even minor reductions in crime, accidents or suicides in any nation. Even if restrictions were to reduce some aspect of crime, they could not be justified because they undermine both the individual right to self-defense and the collective right to political self-determination.
Some scoff at suggestions that hunters and target shooters could successfully challenge the power and technology of a modern army, and there is no doubt that a civil war would be an ugly and terrible thing, would even Chinese troops have dared to move against the protesters in Tiananmen Square if there were guns and ammunition in over half of Chinese homes?
It is telling that the Chinese report “The Human Rights Record of the United States in 2011″ should point an accusing finger toward numerous instances of the U.S. emulating Chinese political philosophy and practices (in minor ways) and also decry the core principle of liberty that guarantees against those policies and practices being advanced or expanded upon. The right to arms is a fundamental individual right that serves to protect not only the individual, but the nation as well. Tyranny cannot coexist with the individual right to arms.
Si vis pacem, para bellum: “If you seek peace, prepare for war.” This is true of citizens as well as nations – and the Chinese know it.

armoredman · 06-17-2012, 11:20 AM

They got hit with a bad report of human rights abuses, so naturally they fired back with whatever they could find under the heading of "Yeah? Well, so there!!"
If the Chinese were truly so worried about our firearms, they wouldn't have SOLD them to us for years, until Bush shut them down. If we were still importing Norinco, that wouldn't have even made it on the list.

The Chinese communist government would love to confiscate our firearms, right after they took over management.

Bobitis · 06-17-2012, 01:38 PM

Oh yeah?

carver · 06-17-2012, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by armoredman

They got hit with a bad report of human rights abuses, so naturally they fired back with whatever they could find under the heading of "Yeah? Well, so there!!"
If the Chinese were truly so worried about our firearms, they wouldn't have SOLD them to us for years, until Bush shut them down. If we were still importing Norinco, that wouldn't have even made it on the list.

The Chinese communist government would love to confiscate our firearms, right after they took over management.

They take our guns first! Otherwise, we fight back! Then they can safely take over management!

Bobitis · 06-17-2012, 02:23 PM

Hey China...

Load up that awesome Navy and Air Force ya got with all that will fit, and come get 'em.

Go ahead and be the 1st. I dare ya!

While the US was busy in Europe, the Japanese snuck up on Hawaii and bombed the crap out of it. Where did it get them? It's a handfull of islands in the mid Pacific and they couldn't get the job done.

You made my SKS. If ya want it back just say so. Bring yer Army with ya. Best of luck.

cycloneman · 06-17-2012, 02:24 PM

they can have the guns, bullets first tho.

Bobitis · 06-17-2012, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by cycloneman

they can have the guns, bullets first tho.

hogger129 · 06-17-2012, 02:59 PM

Idk everybody seems to hate guns that I run into... Lots of women won't date a guy who's into guns. Maybe Wisconsin just sucks. I'm tired of being lonely and I think a big reason for it is cause I'm politically conservative and I like guns.

FlashBang · 06-17-2012, 04:06 PM

Hogger.... Just tell those women that you are a "collector of historical artifacts" and that they are one of the best investments there is with a guaranteed increase in value. If they think they are a good investment that will appreciate in value they will be okay with it.

I don't "buy guns".. I collect "unique and valuable historical military artifacts of the world".

beebz · 06-17-2012, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by hogger129

Idk everybody seems to hate guns that I run into... Lots of women won't date a guy who's into guns. Maybe Wisconsin just sucks. I'm tired of being lonely and I think a big reason for it is cause I'm politically conservative and I like guns.

your problem is you live in Madison,you got to find a less liberal environment.

raven818 · 06-17-2012, 06:45 PM

It came to mind just now. If I were playing tourist in China, leisurely floating down a beautiful river, would it be OK to ask one of their politicians to have a seat on my Junk?

jedwil · 06-17-2012, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by raven818

It came to mind just now. If I were playing tourist in China, leisurely floating down a beautiful river, would it be OK to ask one of their politicians to have a seat on my Junk?

I'd be hoping it's a female politician.

jacksonco · 06-17-2012, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobitis

Hey China...

Load up that awesome Navy and Air Force ya got with all that will fit, and come get 'em.

Go ahead and be the 1st. I dare ya!

While the US was busy in Europe, the Japanese snuck up on Hawaii and bombed the crap out of it. Where did it get them? It's a handfull of islands in the mid Pacific and they couldn't get the job done.

You made my SKS. If ya want it back just say so. Bring yer Army with ya. Best of luck.

regarding the hi-lited text we were not involved in Europe at the time of the Pearl Harbour attack. We did not enter into the European War until after the Japs hit us at pearl. The US was unprepared for war at the out break of the hostilities in Europe and used the time to start building up our military capabilities. We were still not ready for war when the Japs attacked but it did put a big burr under the governments ass and we quickly closed the gap and surpassed that of the Japs.

raven818 · 06-17-2012, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jedwil

I'd be hoping it's a female politician.

Junk by any other name.

hogger129 · 06-17-2012, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by beebz

your problem is you live in Madison,you got to find a less liberal environment.

true

gvw3 · 06-17-2012, 10:02 PM

The girls around here seem to like guns. At our range there is always a lot of girls.

ryan42 · 06-17-2012, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jacksonco

regarding the hi-lited text we were not involved in Europe at the time of the Pearl Harbour attack. We did not enter into the European War until after the Japs hit us at pearl. The US was unprepared for war at the out break of the hostilities in Europe and used the time to start building up our military capabilities. We were still not ready for war when the Japs attacked but it did put a big burr under the governments ass and we quickly closed the gap and surpassed that of the Japs.

Thats not entirely correct,the war in europe didnt officially start for us in europe until pearl harbor was attacked but we were very much involved in the war.We secretly supplied England with military planes and bombs and even War ships.Roosevelt had to sneak around congress and the senate so he wouldnt be seen as wanting to go to war.As a matter of fact the Commander of the Japanese Navy was asked why they didnt put boots on the ground in the US and he said theres no way they would be successful when about 70% of the people had guns.He also was quoted in saying we just woke up a sleeping Giant.

Silencer · 06-21-2012, 06:08 AM

They want to disarm us because they want to invade us. Most likely because they now know we're never going to give them the money we owe them.

06-17-2012, 10:32 AM	#1
RunningOnMT Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Akron, Ohio Contributor Posts: 4,720	The Chinese Want Your Guns http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/chinese-p...s-of-firearms/ Chinese plot to strip Americans of firearms Jeff Knox explains how communist ideals converge in both Asia and U.S.Published: 3 days ago by Jeff KnoxEmail On May 25, the State Council Information Office of the People’s Republic of China published a report titled “The Human Rights Record of the United States in 2011″ as a counterattack response to a U.S. human rights report that was critical of China. The first thing on China’s list of U.S. human rights failures was our failure to adequately protect our citizens from crime and, specifically, the easy availability of firearms. The report laments that, “The United States prioritizes the right to keep and bear arms over the protection of citizens’ lives and personal security and exercises lax firearm possession control, causing rampant gun ownership. The U.S. people hold between 35 percent and 50 percent of the world’s civilian-owned guns, with every 100 people having 90 guns.” The same idiotic complaint we have heard from propaganda groups like the Brady Bunch and the Violence Policy Center for decades as firearms ownership has climbed sharply, while crime has simultaneously gone down to record lows. As a matter of fact, the firearms portion of the Chinese report could have been written by Brady staffers, as it pulled up one bogus cliché after another, generally supported only by some isolated statistic or anecdotal example. The report went on to attack the U.S. over our failures regarding freedom of speech and freedom of assembly. To support these assertions, they used select tidbits from reports about the way various governments shut down the “Occupy” protests (without mentioning the intentional civil disruption and unsanitary conditions associated with those protests) and critical essays from rights advocates like the Electronic Frontier Foundation complaining about government interference with the Internet. Columnists warning about potential dangers in the Patriot Act and erosion of rights in the name of the “War on Terror” were presented as proof of the nations flagging commitment to individual rights of privacy and due process, as were examples of wrongful imprisonment, police abuses and our overall prison statistics. It’s not that these accusations are totally false or of no concern. We have our issues, and we certainly don’t always live up to our principles. But a lecture on human rights from the people who committed the Tiananmen Square atrocity and are even now waging a long-running genocide against women and the unborn is the ultimate in hypocrisy. The fact that virtually all of the criticisms of our failings in the areas of privacy, freedom of speech, due process and economic justice are a direct result of misguided political leaders following down the path of socialist/communist government control and micro-management adds irony to the hypocrisy. Certainly there are corrections needed in the laws and enforcement policies of our nation, but they are corrections that would move us away from the communist ideal and toward personal responsibility and individual liberty – things that the Chinese government abhors. What is left unsaid in the Chinese critique of U.S. policies is the fact that we the people have the authority and duty – morally and legally – to change things any time we find the government headed down the wrong path. While there are issues, we retain the right and power of free speech and assembly, a free press and the power of the vote. As a last resort, we also retain the right, as expressed in the Declaration of Independence, to “throw off” an unjust government and “provide new Guards” for our future security. I find it interesting that the first attack of the Communist Chinese against U.S. social policy targets the means by which we secure our other rights. Yes, the U.S. is awash in firearms of every conceivable design and capability, but the very numbers of those firearms belies the suggestion that it is the guns that cause the crimes. If this were true, we would have all killed each other long ago. The fact is, that like cars or pharmaceuticals, firearms can be abused, misused and do great harm, but like cars and pharmaceuticals, they also serve the greater good. Only a tiny fraction of firearms are ever involved in criminal or accidental harm. The most common abuse being their use in suicides, which evidence strongly suggests would be carried out regardless of the availability of a firearm. Firearms are safely and responsibly possessed by over half the population and are used in defensive situations more than twice as often as they are used in offensive actions. More importantly, the U.S. recognizes the right of the individual to be in control of their own security for self-defense and for the defense of families, communities, states and the nation. To date, no gun-control scheme of any sort has ever been proven to deliver even minor reductions in crime, accidents or suicides in any nation. Even if restrictions were to reduce some aspect of crime, they could not be justified because they undermine both the individual right to self-defense and the collective right to political self-determination. Some scoff at suggestions that hunters and target shooters could successfully challenge the power and technology of a modern army, and there is no doubt that a civil war would be an ugly and terrible thing, would even Chinese troops have dared to move against the protesters in Tiananmen Square if there were guns and ammunition in over half of Chinese homes? It is telling that the Chinese report “The Human Rights Record of the United States in 2011″ should point an accusing finger toward numerous instances of the U.S. emulating Chinese political philosophy and practices (in minor ways) and also decry the core principle of liberty that guarantees against those policies and practices being advanced or expanded upon. The right to arms is a fundamental individual right that serves to protect not only the individual, but the nation as well. Tyranny cannot coexist with the individual right to arms. Si vis pacem, para bellum: “If you seek peace, prepare for war.” This is true of citizens as well as nations – and the Chinese know it. __________________ "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!" -->

06-17-2012, 11:20 AM	#2
armoredman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Proud to be in Arizona Posts: 1,367	Re: The Chinese Want Your Guns They got hit with a bad report of human rights abuses, so naturally they fired back with whatever they could find under the heading of "Yeah? Well, so there!!" If the Chinese were truly so worried about our firearms, they wouldn't have SOLD them to us for years, until Bush shut them down. If we were still importing Norinco, that wouldn't have even made it on the list. The Chinese communist government would love to confiscate our firearms, right after they took over management.

06-17-2012, 01:38 PM	#3
Bobitis Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,612	Re: The Chinese Want Your Guns Oh yeah? Attached Images __________________ ^.^ A point in every direction is the same as having no point at all

06-17-2012, 02:23 PM	#5
Bobitis Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 6,612	Re: The Chinese Want Your Guns Hey China... Load up that awesome Navy and Air Force ya got with all that will fit, and come get 'em. Go ahead and be the 1st. I dare ya! While the US was busy in Europe, the Japanese snuck up on Hawaii and bombed the crap out of it. Where did it get them? It's a handfull of islands in the mid Pacific and they couldn't get the job done. You made my SKS. If ya want it back just say so. Bring yer Army with ya. Best of luck. __________________ ^.^ A point in every direction is the same as having no point at all

06-17-2012, 02:24 PM	#6
cycloneman Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Louisiana Posts: 7,402	Re: The Chinese Want Your Guns they can have the guns, bullets first tho. __________________ Who are you going to serve today?

06-17-2012, 02:59 PM	#8
hogger129 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4,064	Re: The Chinese Want Your Guns Idk everybody seems to hate guns that I run into... Lots of women won't date a guy who's into guns. Maybe Wisconsin just sucks. I'm tired of being lonely and I think a big reason for it is cause I'm politically conservative and I like guns. __________________ Samuel Adams once said, "among the natural rights of the colonists are these: first, a right to life, secondly to liberty, thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can."

06-17-2012, 04:06 PM	#9
FlashBang V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 200	Re: The Chinese Want Your Guns Hogger.... Just tell those women that you are a "collector of historical artifacts" and that they are one of the best investments there is with a guaranteed increase in value. If they think they are a good investment that will appreciate in value they will be okay with it. I don't "buy guns".. I collect "unique and valuable historical military artifacts of the world".

06-17-2012, 06:45 PM	#11
raven818 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Jax, Fl. Contributor Posts: 4,423	Re: The Chinese Want Your Guns It came to mind just now. If I were playing tourist in China, leisurely floating down a beautiful river, would it be OK to ask one of their politicians to have a seat on my Junk? __________________ Firearms and Salt Water Fishing Retired 42 Years LEO

06-17-2012, 10:02 PM	#16
gvw3 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Chicago IL Area Contributor Posts: 3,287	Re: The Chinese Want Your Guns The girls around here seem to like guns. At our range there is always a lot of girls. __________________ Criminals advocate stronger gun laws to foster a safer work environment. This limits their exposure to risk.

06-21-2012, 06:08 AM	#18
Silencer Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Southern California: Inland Empire Posts: 1,297	Re: The Chinese Want Your Guns They want to disarm us because they want to invade us. Most likely because they now know we're never going to give them the money we owe them. __________________ War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. Skeet Shooting Game! Don't Shoot Your Eye Out!