Does any body know this guy ??

[medalguy]

Anybody want to bet he's not in Denver any more? This kind of scumbag moves around the country, makes a score, and quickly moves on. Don't ask me how I know.

[Ed~]

Daniel, I'm sorry that it appears you were scammed of some money.

The FBI is the agency to report this to because they have jurisdiction over Internet related crimes.

You can also call the local Denver CO Police Dept since that is the address you sent the payment to.

It is tough to get the money back however. Sad to say, I know from personal experience. -I'm there with you brother!

All things in life are learning experiences. This kind taught me not how to think like hardened criminals so as not to be taken advantage of again, but to genuinely feel compassion for those poor bastards who believe they can only make a living scamming good and considerate folks in society. They may be drug addicts. They may have a mountain of unresolvable debt. They may be a number of things that I thank God I am not.

But they are certainly cowards who do not fit in regular society and have no true friends because they are always watching their backs or worried about being tipped off.

Hats off to you brother. YOU are showing your true colors by dealing with this challenge so honorably as you are doing.

[Ed~]

Although I'm sure Daniel has more sense than to do so, since the address was posted here, let's not have any illusions about going there and kicking down the door with guns blazing.

Seriously now...

Though a thousand bucks may seem like a lot of money, I'm sure every one of us recognizes our lives and limbs are worth way more than that.

Heck, my own happiness and peace of mind is worth way more than that.

Originally Posted by medalguy

Anybody want to bet he's not in Denver any more? This kind of scumbag moves around the country, makes a score, and quickly moves on. Don't ask me how I know.

Agreed. Proof positive that scammers are desperate individuals. I mean I wouldn't choose to put up with a regular job that required me to pick up and move every 3-6 months. These scammers willingly put themselves in a situation where they are always in pursuit by the law and on the run. They may be smarter than the one's who rob liquor stores and banks because they use a computer, but obviously not by much...

[Double D]

Sorry Ed, if its me I am kicking down the door. I guess I just need to grow up.

[goofy]

I just Google map the address and from a street view it is ether a apartment complex or a business.I could not figure witch side of the road it is.
So it should be easy for local LEO to find out who got your money.
Pick up the phone and call to ask them.
If it is the apartment I think it would have to have a apt.# in the address so it could be the business and that would be easy enough to find out who got your money.
Mike

[Hammerslagger]

Relative to "dhenry132" post #1.

If you paid with a USPS issued Money Order and received nothing in return, the face value of the USPS Money Order may be covered and treated as the theft of the money order by the USPS. Bottom line, after a few months you may get your money back.

From personal knowledge of the experience of a coworker that I counseled and walked through the process, 5 years ago, this is how this kind of mail fraud was being handled 5 years ago by the U S Postal Inspection Service and the USPS; when one used a USPS Money Order purchased at a U S Post Office (as compared to a commercial MO purchased from some place like a Walgreen's or WalMart) to purchase a product via the U S Mail, and you received nothing in return. It mattered not, that the money order had been cashed, as was the case, in the case that I refer to.

Today, things might be different or they may still be the same. I simply do not know. I do know that you need to get online or go to your local post Office and file an accurate detailed complaint for felony mail fraud with the U S Postal Inspection Service, as soon as possible.

Hope this info is of some value.



P. S.-> I notice that the "dhenry132" seems to be a resident of Texas and states that he mailed the money order to a man in Denver, CO. He makes no mention of being a FFL holder, himself; or of having contracted with a FFL Dealer in Texas to receive and transfer this handgun to him as required by federal law. If the foregoing is the case; then I would advise him to consult with an attorney familiar with Federal Firearms Law matters before contacting any law enforcement agency, or just forget the whole matter.

Since the passage of the GCA of 1968, a resident of one state, who SELLS or BUYS a FIREARM from a resident of another state, without having the delivery of the firearm handled by a Federally Licensed Firearms Dealer commits a serious Federal crime, regardless of any ignorance of the Law by either or both parties! Even though no firearm delivery actually took place; if, 'dhenry132" did not employ a FFL Dealer, doing business in Texas, to receive and transfer said revolver to "dhenry132", then he attempted to commit what is a serious crime under federal law. I am unsure of how the Federal Statutes look at attempting to do such; but attempted crimes are usually regarded as crimes, in and of themselves, in most cases.

Proceed with caution, if you did not involve a Texas FFL.

Good luck, and sorry about you problem.

[raven818]

Having a name and address doesn't necessarily mean anything at all. There's always the possibility that someone was able to circumvent the info and make the person who lives at that address look like the BG. Or, maybe it was a friend who used their computer on a frequent enough basis to be trusted while on it.

Posting an address of someone who has not been positively identified as the BG, wasn't thought out too well. JMHO.

No need to chance the possibility of someone, who may be innocent, being harmed.

[ozo]

But pursue every avenue you can legally....and keep us all posted
with your progress.
Be diligent [stay on his ass!!!]
He will make a mistake sooner or later, fools like him always do.
Don't let it slide, keep this thread alive.....and if nothing else 'gets his ass'
maybe another will see this thread and you will have saved them.
Keep it fresh here, you never know who will see it.

[joncutt87]

Originally Posted by dhenry132

7535 E Harvard Ave
Denver, CO 80231

Looks like a business

[Double D]

Originally Posted by Hammerslagger

Relative to "dhenry132" post #1.

If you paid with a USPS issued Money Order and received nothing in return, the face value of the USPS Money Order may be covered and treated as the theft of the money order by the USPS. Bottom line, after a few months you may get your money back.

From personal knowledge of the experience of a coworker that I counseled and walked through the process, 5 years ago, this is how this kind of mail fraud was being handled 5 years ago by the U S Postal Inspection Service and the USPS; when one used a USPS Money Order purchased at a U S Post Office (as compared to a commercial MO purchased from some place like a Walgreen's or WalMart) to purchase a product via the U S Mail, and you received nothing in return. It mattered not, that the money order had been cashed, as was the case, in the case that I refer to.

Today, things might be different or they may still be the same. I simply do not know. I do know that you need to get online or go to your local post Office and file an accurate detailed complaint for felony mail fraud with the U S Postal Inspection Service, as soon as possible.

Hope this info is of some value.



P. S.-> I notice that the "dhenry132" seems to be a resident of Texas and states that he mailed the money order to a man in Denver, CO. He makes no mention of being a FFL holder, himself; or of having contracted with a FFL Dealer in Texas to receive and transfer this handgun to him as required by federal law. If the foregoing is the case; then I would advise him to consult with an attorney familiar with Federal Firearms Law matters before contacting any law enforcement agency, or just forget the whole matter.

Since the passage of the GCA of 1968, a resident of one state, who SELLS or BUYS a FIREARM from a resident of another state, without having the delivery of the firearm handled by a Federally Licensed Firearms Dealer commits a serious Federal crime, regardless of any ignorance of the Law by either or both parties! Even though no firearm delivery actually took place; if, 'dhenry132" did not employ a FFL Dealer, doing business in Texas, to receive and transfer said revolver to "dhenry132", then he attempted to commit what is a serious crime under federal law. I am unsure of how the Federal Statutes look at attempting to do such; but attempted crimes are usually regarded as crimes, in and of themselves, in most cases.

Proceed with caution, if you did not involve a Texas FFL.

Good luck, and sorry about you problem.

Really? You can do a deal with anyone you want and exchange money and close the deal prior to making the FFL arrangements. Granted, nothing was mentioned about the FFL but it didnt have to be. The guy was most likely suppose to be taking the gun to a FFL for shipment or shipping to an FFL but just never responded back once he collected the cash. I highly doubt the buyer thought he could receive the gun himself.

[gvw3]

Thats bad. I hope you get him! Don't give up. Go to the FBI...

[JLA]

I missed that part.. If you dont mind me asking, how much money did he swipe?

[76Highboy]

Originally Posted by Double D

Sorry Ed, if its me I am kicking down the door. I guess I just need to grow up.

I'm with that Dan.

[dhenry132]

Just so everyone knows, I'm not an FFL, but I had a copy of the FFL the pistol was to be sent to was in with the USPS money order sent to the seller.

[Hammerslagger]

Relative to post #34 (joncutt87); very good idea in using something like Google Maps to check out the address; but it looks like an apartment building in a large area zoned for such buildings to me, in the satellite view of G. Maps.

Post #32 (raven818) makes a good and likely valid point about an address like this likely being "used" by a Bad Guy. THAT IS WHY IT IS ALWAYS A GOOD IDEA TO USE "GOOGLE MAPS SATELLITE" TO CHECK OUT THE ADDRESS AND SEND YOUR PAYMENT AS A USPS MONEY ORDER via "Certified Mail" or "Priority Mail" with a return receipt so that your payment has to be signed for. When it gets to be a $1K transaction, using a US Mail service like "Restricted Delivery" to the person addressed to can be wise.

As to post #35, I did not expect a FFL like "DoubleD" to beat up on me relative to my Post Script.

All that "DoubleD" says is true. However as to his last sentence: "I highly doubt the buyer thought he could receive the gun himself". Such is a reasonable inference for a man with an FFL, but I do not know what the buyer thought; and have long ceased to be surprised by almost anything people do relative to guns. I did (do) not want "dhenry132" to take my first advice and have possible legal problems of his own. Facts are that many persons are almost totally ignorant of Federal gun laws and often unknowingly violate them. A private person buyer certainly would not want to tell a U S Postal Inspector that the deal was for another private person to mail a handgun directly to the buyer, as such is illegal.

I will comment further, in hope of saving someone else a lot of grief in mail order gun deals. Yes, when dealing with an individual, do pay with a USPO Money Order, made payable to the person that you are dealing with, and briefly describe what you are paying for on the MO's "For" line, including the gun's model and serial number.

USPO MO's can instantly be converted into U S Currency at most Post Offices and checked for validity on line. My experiences have been that you DO have to show state issued ID or a US Passport to cash one at a PO in recent times.

When you are buying a gun from someone who is not a FFL Dealer, and who is a resident of another state, a FFL dealer in your state of residence has to be involved. Everyone should know this; some persons actually do not.

The FFL in your state can (but does not have to) accept a gun shipment from a non FFL. Many dealers simply will not; and such is their right.

When I had a FFL, the only way I would accept a gun shipment from a non FFL, for any reason, was if I had received a Xerox copy of his/her current Driver's License that had been certified to be a "true copy" and had been "Notarized under Seal". Otherwise, I declined to become involved, as was my right.

{I have long taken the position that it is easier to do more than the law demands, and to thus avoid possible ATF problems than it is to get out of them. Not doing so once cost a friend of mine over a year of worrying about going to federal prison and over $150,000.00 in today's dollars in lawyer bills.}

It has been my experience, over time, that common carriers like UPS (especially) and FedEx can be unpredictable from service center to service center and even month to month at the same service center in receiving firearms shipments from those who are not FFL's. {The fact, that it is legal to do so, does not mean that the clerk you are dealing with will know how to handle the shipment, and do so.} Therefore, when a firearm ownership change is involved, I advise all to have to have the transfer set up, using a FFL dealer on each end, in advance of sending any money (other than a "Good Faith Deposit" to the seller. Even better, send the "Paid in Full" payment to the seller care of the business and address of the FFL that the seller will have handle the shipment on his/her end. Doing so will cost a little extra; but makes scams, like appears to have happened here, almost impossible.

Hope this is useful.

P.S.-> I was typing when post #39 was posted. Good for you Daniel. I think that you will be able to get a refund from the USPO, as this money order was clearly stolen when it was cashed and nothing was sent to you for it. I sincerely hope it still works that way. Please let us know how it works out.

[Little Rooster]

Originally Posted by Bobitis

I seriously doubt anyone here has ever heard of the guy.
If you sent him a Postal Money Order, contact your Post Office.
Your seller could easily be breaking bricks in a Federal Pen if he/she gets caught.

Call the post office and let them do thier job. It's one of the great things about paying taxes.

It maybe where the ad originated.

Good luck, I can tell you the USPS will help track the money order there is a form though you have to fill out.

[hjsmith00843]

It sucks that people will scam others. Makes me sick.

[cpttango30]

I'm showing the ip in Torrence ca.

[Double D]

Originally Posted by dhenry132

Just so everyone knows, I'm not an FFL, but I had a copy of the FFL the pistol was to be sent to was in with the USPS money order sent to the seller.

Doesnt matter, you could have decided on the FFL a week after the deal was made. No need to have an FFL lined up at the time of the purchase.

[Country101]

I saw this guys post on Tacoma World a while back. I've been forum whoring over there for a while since I have been upgrading my truck lately. Luckily they got him shut down pretty quick. Hate to hear somebody got scammed.

Best of luck getting this resolved.

[oneoldsap]

Since you spoke with your thief on the phone and paid with a P.M.O. he has comitted at least two federal felonies . Contact the FBI about the wire fraud (phone calls related to the fictisous sale) , and the USPS about the Mail fraud ! Caveat Emptor ! That deal would fit into the Too good to be true category wouldn't it ?

[JLA]

Id make an offer to trade all the federal punishment hes facing for 10 minutes alone with the guy strapped to a chair and a toolbox full of common hand tools at my disposal. I promise you 3 minutes in hed be begging for life in the federal pen.

[shorter260513]

from google earth it looks to be an apartment complex but without an apartment number it probably never made that far before it was swiped

[ozo]

The post office should be able to trace the cashing of the MO
and tell you who-when-where it was cashed

[Ed~]

Originally Posted by Double D

Sorry Ed, if its me I am kicking down the door. I guess I just need to grow up.

If it was you kicking the door down, DD, then at least we can be sure the job'll get done right!

Ed~