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hunter29180 · 03-19-2011, 09:57 PM

any one have or had one of these in .45 apc?

sons looking at one, price is right but reliability and durability is a concern.

American Leader · 03-19-2011, 10:00 PM

One of the guy's just had a video about them a couple of days back. The abuse they will take was incredible. Based on that video test reliability & durability looked very very good. But, if my memory serves me right they're kinda heavy? I will look for that test vid and send it to you.

woolleyworm · 03-19-2011, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by hunter29180

any one have or had one of these in .45 apc?

sons looking at one, price is right but reliability and durability is a concern.

Not once you've handled one. They may not be pretty, but they do their job and they do it reliably. I've shot two of them and not that I particularly cared for them, but work they do!

hogger129 · 03-20-2011, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by hunter29180

any one have or had one of these in .45 apc?

sons looking at one, price is right but reliability and durability is a concern.

My co-worker has one. In his opinion, it isn't anything special. Just a little inexpensive pistol. That said, it goes bang every time. And you can't beat their lifetime warranty. From what I understand, if it jams or something else isn't working on the gun, you send it in and they fix it for free.

If you're just looking for something for plinking, you can't beat it for the price.

American Leader · 03-20-2011, 09:08 AM

hunter, here is a post by triplebike awhile back that has the videos I mentioned. Maybe this will help, good luck

really enjoy reading threads about Hi Point firearms. I think this one brand of firearm has the same affect on guns snobs as Sarah Palin has on liberals. It drives them absolutely crazy. Comments like "I would rather have a sharp stick to protect myself or my family than a Hi Point firearm" (which I have seem many times posted in Hi point threads) is beyond me. Or another common comment is I'd rather have no gun at all than own a Hi Point.

It also seems to be the most bashed firearm from NON OWNERS on the market. They blow up, they melt, slides fly off at a hundred miles an hour, are so inaccurate that they almost shoot sideways. Some of the stories that non owners of this firearm come up with are bizarro to say the least. Makes for good entertainment though.

Just wondering if your brand of firearm can take this;

Part 1... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbvvurXmAmg

Part 2... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmt5QB814Tw

Part 3... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FoWpog5KU4

Part 4... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKkQm5TRaWE

ivarr · 03-20-2011, 09:34 AM

i wouldn't buy one, but that's just a personal opinion

hunter29180 · 03-21-2011, 07:52 AM

thanks AL!! the vidios were unbeliveable!! cant think of any gun that would have survived as well. guess son and I will be getting one apiece! he says he wants the 9mm, i think i will stay with the 45.

stresssolutions · 03-25-2011, 02:40 PM

I hate to see a tool misused and abused in any way, esp to the point of distruction, but this pretty much ensures that I'll be buying one.

aryfrosty · 03-25-2011, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by American Leader

Or another common comment is I'd rather have no gun at all than own a Hi Point.

It also seems to be the most bashed firearm from NON OWNERS on the market. They blow up, they melt, slides fly off at a hundred miles an hour, are so inaccurate that they almost shoot sideways. Some of the stories that non owners of this firearm come up with are bizarro to say the least. Makes for good entertainment though.

Without apologies I will say that I would MUCH rather have a rock, stick or anything besides a Hi-Point. I understand that some people like them and I completely support their right to do so. The only part of the situation I disagree with is the notion that people buy them because they can't afford anything else. I am retired and on disability income. My wife is retired and we can't waste money. But I have found many good reliable S&W revolvers and pistols and several Rugers for around $200.00 and if I can then everyone should be able to. I watch for shops which often have police trade-ins and have gotten soem great ones. Recently bought a Beretta 96D Centurion for $300.

TheGunClinger · 03-25-2011, 09:01 PM

If you run out of ammo, it will double as a club.

Seriously though, I never owned one and most highly likely wont.

Jim K · 03-25-2011, 10:04 PM

I am not a Hi-Point fan and don't own one, but I have fired them and found them very reliable. The ones in 9mm and .45 are chunky due to the slide mass required for the blowback action, but if that is acceptable, they are OK.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry when I read a post from someone who says they are no good and he hates them, then says that he has never owned one, never would own one, and has never even seen one. But he just knows he hates them and they must be no good because he hates them even though he has never owned one.... etc. What blithering nonsense!

Jim

fleetwood1976 · 03-26-2011, 12:50 PM

I am very confortable carrying one in the truck for protection. they shoot well and are reliable, plus if it gets stolen, I am only out $100. The trigger pull is hard but I look at it as a tool not a $500 to $1000 piece of precision equipment.

Double D · 03-26-2011, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by aryfrosty

Without apologies I will say that I would MUCH rather have a rock, stick or anything besides a Hi-Point. I understand that some people like them and I completely support their right to do so. The only part of the situation I disagree with is the notion that people buy them because they can't afford anything else. I am retired and on disability income. My wife is retired and we can't waste money. But I have found many good reliable S&W revolvers and pistols and several Rugers for around $200.00 and if I can then everyone should be able to. I watch for shops which often have police trade-ins and have gotten soem great ones. Recently bought a Beretta 96D Centurion for $300.

Not really sure of the logic here. I would gladly own a high point before I had to use a rock or a stick. They do shoot bullets you know. Having a rock or a stick wont help you in a gun fight. I dont like the way they look, and I wouldnt try to win a shooting match with one, but by god I would be most happy to have one in my time of need.

shorter260513 · 03-26-2011, 01:29 PM

I have the 9mm carbine have fired the 45 and the 9mm pistols not bad guns at all cant beat the price and lifetime warranty worst problem i have seen with the 9mm pistol is a failure to feed but was fixed with a simple mag replacement

aryfrosty · 03-26-2011, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim K

I don't know whether to laugh or cry when I read a post from someone who says they are no good and he hates them, then says that he has never owned one, never would own one, and has never even seen one. But he just knows he hates them and they must be no good because he hates them even though he has never owned one.... etc. What blithering nonsense!

Jim

Jim; I have not owned one. I have examined several in the confiscated weapons locker at work where my primary job was firearms and EOD education. I don't "hate" them. I guess I could say that I disdain them. There is no reasonable basis for owning or carrying one of them, primarily because the argument that: "That's all some folks can afford" is illogical on its face. I see hundreds of Police trade-ins and used guns, S&Ws, Rugers, HKs, Berettas and occasionally an older Colt in stores for what is often less than you would pay for a new Hi-Point. I don't think of myself as a gun snob...I disdain most HK pistols but my favorite carry gun is an HK P7. I don't judge by brand but rather by the quality, or lack of quality, I find in a particular gun. If a person wants to own a good quality used gun they can avoid going to Hi-Points altogether and choose a gun that fits their budget and which will last for many years without causing alarm if they go to the range and fire it. Truth be told, the materials used to make Hi-Points is less than good for weapons manufacture. Frangible zinc, known as "pot metal" is not a star to hitch your wagon to for a gun. It is more fragile than other metals. It shatters more readily and melts at a rather low temperature. It's called "pot metal" for a good reason. It was once used by travelling tinkers who had a cart or buggy they took with them as they made rounds of the countryside to repair, or "tinker" with cookpots with holes in them, broken watches or clocks, broken bridles or harnesses or what have you. Tinkers could build a small but hot fire and melt the frangible zinc and repair holes in pots with it.
To illustrate how long I have felt this way I say that the first one I ever saw came from under the seat of a stolen car we recovered in the 80s and it was branded "Stallard Arms".
I have no difficulty accepting that some shooters are bound to own and shoot them and I support their right to choose what they spend their money on. However, if you and I were walking on a ridge and I saw a rattlesnake I would warn you about it so that you wouldn't step on it and get bitten. Same thing with "Stallard Arms...Hi-Point" guns. My professional opinion is that one stands a greater risk of experiencing a mishap with them as with some others.
I could well be wrong. I am often wrong. But these thoughts are my opinion.
Respectfully.

And, "Double D"...I agree that they shoot bullets. However where those bullets go is another question altogether. They are not very accurate. Accuracy and dependability are important before you start letting the Genie out of the bottle.

woolleyworm · 03-26-2011, 02:33 PM

[quote=aryfrosty;730531]Jim; I have not owned one. I have examined several in the confiscated weapons locker at work where my primary job was firearms and EOD education. I don't "hate" them. I guess I could say that I disdain them. There is no reasonable basis for owning or carrying one of them, primarily because the argument that: "That's all some folks can afford" is illogical on its face. I see hundreds of Police trade-ins and used guns, S&Ws, Rugers, HKs, Berettas and occasionally an older Colt in stores for what is often less than you would pay for a new Hi-Point.[quote]

Well stated counterpoint, I gotta agree, if you've only got $250, get the most out of it and get a used SW or such, just gotta do a little homework and some bargain hunting.

Having said that, I'd still take a HiPt into a gunfight if that was all that was available and I wouldn't worry about it going bang. I would beg for some help from upstairs in the accuracy dept though!

Double D · 03-26-2011, 03:01 PM

Since I dont own a high point I cant argue their accuracy. There are some folks here that do and they would say they are fairly accurate. I will stand by what I said. If I needed a gun and a high point was available, I would be more than happy to have it.

aryfrosty · 03-26-2011, 04:47 PM

[QUOTE=woolleyworm;730534]

Well stated counterpoint, I gotta agree, if you've only got $250, get the most out of it and get a used SW or such, just gotta do a little homework and some bargain hunting.

Having said that, I'd still take a HiPt into a gunfight if that was all that was available and I wouldn't worry about it going bang. I would beg for some help from upstairs in the accuracy dept though!

]

I understand that and I will agree with you regarding expedient weapons.

Brisk44 · 03-26-2011, 04:54 PM

Was at a gun show today and while filling out my paper work a young fellow sat down to do the same for a Hi-Point in 9MM. the price::::$135.00. They had .45's but I did not see the price. I assume about the same.

CampingJosh · 03-26-2011, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by aryfrosty

There is no reasonable basis for owning or carrying one of them, primarily because the argument that: "That's all some folks can afford" is illogical on its face. I see hundreds of Police trade-ins and used guns, S&Ws, Rugers, HKs, Berettas and occasionally an older Colt in stores for what is often less than you would pay for a new Hi-Point.

I have to disagree with you here. I would LOVE to find an HK, Beretta, or Colt for under $170. Around here, police trade ins are $250 and up. That's even for the older S&W .38 Specials. Shoot, I would love to find a HK, Beretta, or Colt for $300.

A used Hi-Point, though, can be purchased for $125 or less, and it is easily twice the gun of a Jennings, Bryco, Raven, or anything else under $150.

TheGunClinger · 03-26-2011, 09:47 PM

If I ruffled any feathers due to what I posted earlier I am sorry but thats my feelings. That is one butt ugly gun to my eyes and I wouldnt buy one just for that one reason no matter how good they shoot or how reliable they are. I got good shooters and they are reliable AND to my eyes they are beautiful. But thats just me.

hunter29180 · 03-26-2011, 09:56 PM

lol when the SHTF i dont care what it looks like or how ugly it is..as long as i can depend on it to go bang when i need it to! as far as accuracy, that why i practice,and the hi-points do seem to have adjustable sights.

bamashooter · 03-27-2011, 01:45 AM

I have one in 9mm and its reliable and accurate and I paid less than $100 for it. I have shot the crap out of it and it still keeps on going. I dont care what anyone else thinks, they are good guns.

triplebike · 03-27-2011, 01:21 PM

[QUOTE=aryfrosty;730193]Without apologies I will say that I would MUCH rather have a rock, stick or anything besides a Hi-Point.

Don't you realize that you lose all credibility when you make ridiculous statements like the above in bold. I'm glad that I don't have to rely on someone like you to defend my family. Bad guy enters your home putting your family at risk & you would pick a stick over a Hi Point firearm? Pretty sad & gun snobbery at it's finest.

http://movieclips.com/uYSfj-silverad...wear-showdown/

As far as accuracy goes,
http://multigun.wordpress.com/2010/0...own-continues/

fleetwood1976 · 03-27-2011, 02:45 PM

I personally have no use for glocks, I own 2 but never shoot them. I have a very low opinion of them on the basis of style and compasition. I would however prefer any polymer gun over rocks and sticks. I am aware of their good points and know they are great relieable weapons. The only reason I bought mine is they were too cheap and I can use them for trading fodder down the road. On the other hand, I don't go bashing them just because I don't like them.

03-19-2011, 09:57 PM	#1
hunter29180 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: in a motorhome where ever we park! Contributor Posts: 1,627	hi-point firearms any one have or had one of these in .45 apc? sons looking at one, price is right but reliability and durability is a concern. -->

03-19-2011, 10:00 PM	#2
American Leader Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Iowa Contributor Posts: 1,630	Re: hi-point firearms One of the guy's just had a video about them a couple of days back. The abuse they will take was incredible. Based on that video test reliability & durability looked very very good. But, if my memory serves me right they're kinda heavy? I will look for that test vid and send it to you.

03-20-2011, 09:08 AM	#5
American Leader Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Iowa Contributor Posts: 1,630	Re: hi-point firearms hunter, here is a post by triplebike awhile back that has the videos I mentioned. Maybe this will help, good luck really enjoy reading threads about Hi Point firearms. I think this one brand of firearm has the same affect on guns snobs as Sarah Palin has on liberals. It drives them absolutely crazy. Comments like "I would rather have a sharp stick to protect myself or my family than a Hi Point firearm" (which I have seem many times posted in Hi point threads) is beyond me. Or another common comment is I'd rather have no gun at all than own a Hi Point. It also seems to be the most bashed firearm from NON OWNERS on the market. They blow up, they melt, slides fly off at a hundred miles an hour, are so inaccurate that they almost shoot sideways. Some of the stories that non owners of this firearm come up with are bizarro to say the least. Makes for good entertainment though. Just wondering if your brand of firearm can take this; Part 1... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbvvurXmAmg Part 2... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmt5QB814Tw Part 3... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FoWpog5KU4 Part 4... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKkQm5TRaWE

03-20-2011, 09:34 AM	#6
ivarr V.I.P. Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Great Barrington, Massachusetts Posts: 90	Re: hi-point firearms i wouldn't buy one, but that's just a personal opinion __________________ DEFENDING AMERICA IN THE COMMUNIST OCCUPIED TERRITORIES OF MASSACHUSETTS

03-21-2011, 07:52 AM	#7
hunter29180 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: in a motorhome where ever we park! Contributor Posts: 1,627	Re: hi-point firearms thanks AL!! the vidios were unbeliveable!! cant think of any gun that would have survived as well. guess son and I will be getting one apiece! he says he wants the 9mm, i think i will stay with the 45.

03-25-2011, 02:40 PM	#8
stresssolutions Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 6	Re: hi-point firearms I hate to see a tool misused and abused in any way, esp to the point of distruction, but this pretty much ensures that I'll be buying one.

03-25-2011, 09:01 PM	#10
TheGunClinger Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: SW Florida Contributor Posts: 2,382	Re: hi-point firearms If you run out of ammo, it will double as a club. Seriously though, I never owned one and most highly likely wont. __________________ New England Patriots Rule Next year.

03-25-2011, 10:04 PM	#11
Jim K Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,408	Re: hi-point firearms I am not a Hi-Point fan and don't own one, but I have fired them and found them very reliable. The ones in 9mm and .45 are chunky due to the slide mass required for the blowback action, but if that is acceptable, they are OK. I don't know whether to laugh or cry when I read a post from someone who says they are no good and he hates them, then says that he has never owned one, never would own one, and has never even seen one. But he just knows he hates them and they must be no good because he hates them even though he has never owned one.... etc. What blithering nonsense! Jim

03-26-2011, 12:50 PM	#12
fleetwood1976 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Southern Indiana Contributor Posts: 1,333	Re: hi-point firearms I am very confortable carrying one in the truck for protection. they shoot well and are reliable, plus if it gets stolen, I am only out $100. The trigger pull is hard but I look at it as a tool not a $500 to $1000 piece of precision equipment.

03-26-2011, 01:29 PM	#14
shorter260513 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 262	Re: hi-point firearms I have the 9mm carbine have fired the 45 and the 9mm pistols not bad guns at all cant beat the price and lifetime warranty worst problem i have seen with the 9mm pistol is a failure to feed but was fixed with a simple mag replacement

03-26-2011, 02:33 PM	#16
woolleyworm TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SW Fort Worth Contributor Posts: 4,883	Re: hi-point firearms [quote=aryfrosty;730531]Jim; I have not owned one. I have examined several in the confiscated weapons locker at work where my primary job was firearms and EOD education. I don't "hate" them. I guess I could say that I disdain them. There is no reasonable basis for owning or carrying one of them, primarily because the argument that: "That's all some folks can afford" is illogical on its face. I see hundreds of Police trade-ins and used guns, S&Ws, Rugers, HKs, Berettas and occasionally an older Colt in stores for what is often less than you would pay for a new Hi-Point.[quote] Well stated counterpoint, I gotta agree, if you've only got $250, get the most out of it and get a used SW or such, just gotta do a little homework and some bargain hunting. Having said that, I'd still take a HiPt into a gunfight if that was all that was available and I wouldn't worry about it going bang. I would beg for some help from upstairs in the accuracy dept though! __________________ . What are you gonna do, talk the alien to death? -- (on Sigourney Weaver's worry about Guns in Aliens) "Safety is something that happens between your ears, not something you hold in your hands." "I carry a small gun to compensate for my huge Blue press." .

03-26-2011, 03:01 PM	#17
Double D TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North Florida Contributor Posts: 8,070	Re: hi-point firearms Since I dont own a high point I cant argue their accuracy. There are some folks here that do and they would say they are fairly accurate. I will stand by what I said. If I needed a gun and a high point was available, I would be more than happy to have it. __________________ I own a bunch of scary guns. You want em? Come and take em..... Liberalism is a serious, non curable, mental disorder... NRA LIFE MEMBER Oath Keepers Member NRA Certified Instructor 30 Yr CC permit holder.

03-26-2011, 04:47 PM	#18
aryfrosty Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 46	Re: hi-point firearms [QUOTE=woolleyworm;730534] Well stated counterpoint, I gotta agree, if you've only got $250, get the most out of it and get a used SW or such, just gotta do a little homework and some bargain hunting. Having said that, I'd still take a HiPt into a gunfight if that was all that was available and I wouldn't worry about it going bang. I would beg for some help from upstairs in the accuracy dept though! ] I understand that and I will agree with you regarding expedient weapons. __________________ At the end of the fight is a tombstone white with the name of the late deceased. And the epitaph drear, a fool lies here who tried to hustle the east. Kipling

03-26-2011, 04:54 PM	#19
Brisk44 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Iowa Contributor Posts: 1,747	Re: hi-point firearms Was at a gun show today and while filling out my paper work a young fellow sat down to do the same for a Hi-Point in 9MM. the price::::$135.00. They had .45's but I did not see the price. I assume about the same.

03-26-2011, 09:47 PM	#21
TheGunClinger Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: SW Florida Contributor Posts: 2,382	Re: hi-point firearms If I ruffled any feathers due to what I posted earlier I am sorry but thats my feelings. That is one butt ugly gun to my eyes and I wouldnt buy one just for that one reason no matter how good they shoot or how reliable they are. I got good shooters and they are reliable AND to my eyes they are beautiful. But thats just me. __________________ New England Patriots Rule Next year.

03-26-2011, 09:56 PM	#22
hunter29180 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: in a motorhome where ever we park! Contributor Posts: 1,627	Re: hi-point firearms lol when the SHTF i dont care what it looks like or how ugly it is..as long as i can depend on it to go bang when i need it to! as far as accuracy, that why i practice,and the hi-points do seem to have adjustable sights.

03-27-2011, 01:45 AM	#23
bamashooter V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: north alabama Posts: 55	Re: hi-point firearms I have one in 9mm and its reliable and accurate and I paid less than $100 for it. I have shot the crap out of it and it still keeps on going. I dont care what anyone else thinks, they are good guns.

03-27-2011, 01:21 PM	#24
triplebike V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Eastern , Pa Posts: 51	Re: hi-point firearms [QUOTE=aryfrosty;730193]Without apologies I will say that I would MUCH rather have a rock, stick or anything besides a Hi-Point. Don't you realize that you lose all credibility when you make ridiculous statements like the above in bold. I'm glad that I don't have to rely on someone like you to defend my family. Bad guy enters your home putting your family at risk & you would pick a stick over a Hi Point firearm? Pretty sad & gun snobbery at it's finest. http://movieclips.com/uYSfj-silverad...wear-showdown/ As far as accuracy goes, http://multigun.wordpress.com/2010/0...own-continues/ Last edited by triplebike; 03-27-2011 at 02:16 PM..

03-27-2011, 02:45 PM	#25
fleetwood1976 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Southern Indiana Contributor Posts: 1,333	Re: hi-point firearms I personally have no use for glocks, I own 2 but never shoot them. I have a very low opinion of them on the basis of style and compasition. I would however prefer any polymer gun over rocks and sticks. I am aware of their good points and know they are great relieable weapons. The only reason I bought mine is they were too cheap and I can use them for trading fodder down the road. On the other hand, I don't go bashing them just because I don't like them.