14 dead, 50 wounded in shooting at Colorado - The Firearms Forum

gvw3 · 07-20-2012, 06:14 AM

Look for new gun control after this.

http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn

Killcreek · 07-20-2012, 06:58 AM

So far this morning, 15 dead and 50 injured as gunman bursts into a packed movie theater and begins shooting at a packed midnight showing of Batman.

The UN Arms treaty is hanging, and Obama and Clinton want it signed so they can disarm the US. I find this incident too much of a coincidence so soon before this Treaty is coming up for signing. Will there be a connection between this shooter and the Administration?

22WRF · 07-20-2012, 07:04 AM

Food for thought

carver · 07-20-2012, 07:11 AM

If only half of these folks had been armed!

22WRF · 07-20-2012, 07:17 AM

Watch for the Executive Order it will be coming soon

Bacon Buddy1 · 07-20-2012, 07:21 AM

It just show it takes one guy to make guns sound bad but you never hear about the guy that used a gun to save lives only the bad stores

Killcreek · 07-20-2012, 07:21 AM

10 deceased remain inside the theatre 6 hours later.

24 year old James Holmes is in custody, he was caught outside wearing a gas mask and bullet proof vest.

The feds seem to be in control of things there, will he be whisked off to a federal holding facility so that he cannot talk then executed quickly like McVey was?

Killcreek · 07-20-2012, 07:23 AM

KRDO revises the numbers to 12 dead and 38 wounded.

carver · 07-20-2012, 07:29 AM

What would have happened if the folks at the movie had been armed?

flintlock · 07-20-2012, 07:35 AM

I din't know Colorado's laws on ccw, but if the had been an armed citizen in the theater, this might have had a different ending. My heart goes out to all those that lost family to this lunatic.

buildit · 07-20-2012, 07:48 AM

A dark night for sure.

Prayers for the families and those involved.

gun-nut · 07-20-2012, 07:52 AM

Just what we need before the UN meeting!!! My payrs to all them familys

Zane71464 · 07-20-2012, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carver

If only half of these folks had been armed!

my thoughts exactly....
Maybe there would have been a chance for someone to have stopped a part of it.

oldman45 · 07-20-2012, 08:07 AM

To those wondering what would have happened if others had been armed in the theater:

There would have been more innocent victims.

The man tossed a couple of smoke grenades. That covered him from the sight of others.

The man was wearing a vest. People could have shot him and it would have not been successful.

The theater was fully occupied. Bullets go through people and hit other things. People get in the live of fire. People cannot tell where the fire is coming from.

It is easy to do armchair evaluations. This is especially so when you have never been shot at. I have been shot at by shotguns and handguns. The emotions get high, the fear comes in and you think more of getting cover and concealment before you do pulling a gun.

buildit · 07-20-2012, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldman45

To those wondering what would have happened if others had been armed in the theater:

There would have been more innocent victims.

The man tossed a couple of smoke grenades. That covered him from the sight of others.

The man was wearing a vest. People could have shot him and it would have not been successful.

The theater was fully occupied. Bullets go through people and hit other things. People get in the live of fire. People cannot tell where the fire is coming from.

It is easy to do armchair evaluations. This is especially so when you have never been shot at. I have been shot at by shotguns and handguns. The emotions get high, the fear comes in and you think more of getting cover and concealment before you do pulling a gun.

You make a valid point. I also wonder how many of those at the theater were 18 or older and could even have a CC permit?

wv hillbilly · 07-20-2012, 08:23 AM

such a tragedy.

MSGT-R · 07-20-2012, 08:34 AM

Colorado is a pro gun state, dispite Colombine and last night's tragity. Most of the theater was packed with young people, those most likely not to have guns, let alone CCW. This very same group may now be very anti-gun opinionated in the shock of the aftermath. Not a good political situation indeed.

In this forum, I always read retoric and "what ifs" about CCW in the presence of something like this. Now that something like this has happened again, there was no return fire. Was someone carrying in a theater full of people? We'll probably never know.

The gunman probably knew they were all Sheep to slaughter.

45nut · 07-20-2012, 08:50 AM

So very sad. My thoughts range from sympathy for the families of those killed and injured, to fa.lse fla.g operations, to the treaty, to more A/G legislation to rage that no one could kill this bastard.

Looking at the tactical situation, it would have been very difficult to take him out because of the smoke, bedlam, confusion and fear, plus people running and falling down, getting hit by a pass through bullet (which must have happened quite a bit).

My reaction would have been to get my wife on the floor, me over her with .45 ACP in hand looking for a safe way out. Laying low may have been the best option with all the sheep up and running, making themselves good targets.

Don't know what I would have really done after donning my brown pants.

Killcreek · 07-20-2012, 08:53 AM

Reported now that the guy had on a bullet proof vest and a Kevlar riot helmet with Black BDU's. He did not intend to accept incoming fire.

oldman45 · 07-20-2012, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buildit

You make a valid point. I also wonder how many of those at the theater were 18 or older and could even have a CC permit?

If one notices, most of such incidents take place where the shooter is under 30 yrs old. Sadly most have a history of being a fan of firearms.

If this had taken place in a smaller venue with fewer people, it might have been easier for someone to have had a chance at hitting the perp. Pulling a weapon in places like a theater can get the innocent gun owner shot by a police officer on the scene. An officer cannot see your permit in your pocket. He knows someone is shooting and anyone with a firearm is a target.

The same holds true in a one on one situation. The shooting takes place, the bad guy is hit and the good guy is holding a gun when police arrive. They see a victim on the ground and a man holding a gun. There will be little warning to drop the weapon and a reluctance on the part of the good guy to do so. It can get one shot. Even officers lay their weapon down after the threat is contained. Many officers have been shot by others thinking the officer was the bad guy.

22WRF · 07-20-2012, 09:04 AM

ABC draws possible Tea Party connection with alleged Aurora shooter

ABC News has suggested that James Holmes -- the suspect in today's shooting in Aurora, Colorado -- may have a connection to the Tea Party.

ABC's Brian Ross reported this morning that there is "a Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colorado, page on the Colorado Tea party site... talking about him joining the Tea Party last year."

"Now, we don't know if this is the same Jim Holmes," Ross cautioned "but it's Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colorado."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/...on-129568.html

ampaterry · 07-20-2012, 09:15 AM

A dozen people dead, many more wounded, and we still have people saying it would have been worse if folks had the means and will to fight back.
This is the attitude that allows animals like this to wreck the damage they do. One person with a weapon could have GREATLY reduced the damage, and saved the courts a lot of time.

1. The smoke was thin enough for him to see through, so he could also be seen.
2. A vest and helmet (if he had one) would not prevent face, leg and arm wounds.
3. If he is laying on the floor with his legs shot out, his target aquisition is greatly limited.
4. With his arms shot, his accurace suffers.
5. With his face shot, the danger is greatly reduced.

I have faced a perp coming for me. Running and hiding were not on my mind; stopping him was.

twobit · 07-20-2012, 09:29 AM

media says it is 13 miles from Columbine.

22WRF · 07-20-2012, 09:37 AM

A convenient distraction for ‘You Didn’t Build That business' ??????????

01brian · 07-20-2012, 09:39 AM

My Prayers to everyone affected in CO, this is a shame. As far as the armchair quarterbacks, and I'm still trying to verify this. But I think the theater is a "no guns" zone in Aurura.

07-20-2012, 06:14 AM	#1
gvw3 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Chicago IL Area Contributor Posts: 3,305	14 dead, 50 wounded in shooting at Colorado Look for new gun control after this. http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn __________________ Criminals advocate stronger gun laws to foster a safer work environment. This limits their exposure to risk. -->

07-20-2012, 06:58 AM	#2
Killcreek Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 49	Aurora movie shooting So far this morning, 15 dead and 50 injured as gunman bursts into a packed movie theater and begins shooting at a packed midnight showing of Batman. The UN Arms treaty is hanging, and Obama and Clinton want it signed so they can disarm the US. I find this incident too much of a coincidence so soon before this Treaty is coming up for signing. Will there be a connection between this shooter and the Administration? __________________ Life Member NRA Life Member NRA Whitington Center Member State Rifle Association Member State Muzzleloading Association Ammo is expensive, there will be no warning shots.

07-20-2012, 07:04 AM	#3
22WRF Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pea Ridge, FL Contributor Posts: 4,253	Re: Aurora movie shooting Food for thought __________________ NRA GOA CCRKBA Happiness is a warm barrel

07-20-2012, 07:11 AM	#4
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,288	Re: Aurora movie shooting If only half of these folks had been armed! __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

07-20-2012, 07:17 AM	#5
22WRF Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pea Ridge, FL Contributor Posts: 4,253	Re: Aurora movie shooting Watch for the Executive Order it will be coming soon __________________ NRA GOA CCRKBA Happiness is a warm barrel

07-20-2012, 07:21 AM	#6
Bacon Buddy1 Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: chicago Posts: 7	Re: 14 dead, 50 wounded in shooting at Colorado It just show it takes one guy to make guns sound bad but you never hear about the guy that used a gun to save lives only the bad stores __________________ MAKE NO MISTAKE My rifle is not an '' assault weapon.'' it will never be used to assault anyone, unless my Life, Liberty and pursuit of Happiness are threatened

07-20-2012, 07:21 AM	#7
Killcreek Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 49	Re: Aurora movie shooting 10 deceased remain inside the theatre 6 hours later. 24 year old James Holmes is in custody, he was caught outside wearing a gas mask and bullet proof vest. The feds seem to be in control of things there, will he be whisked off to a federal holding facility so that he cannot talk then executed quickly like McVey was? __________________ Life Member NRA Life Member NRA Whitington Center Member State Rifle Association Member State Muzzleloading Association Ammo is expensive, there will be no warning shots.

07-20-2012, 07:23 AM	#8
Killcreek Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 49	Re: Aurora movie shooting KRDO revises the numbers to 12 dead and 38 wounded. __________________ Life Member NRA Life Member NRA Whitington Center Member State Rifle Association Member State Muzzleloading Association Ammo is expensive, there will be no warning shots.

07-20-2012, 07:29 AM	#9
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,288	Re: 14 dead, 50 wounded in shooting at Colorado What would have happened if the folks at the movie had been armed? __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

07-20-2012, 07:35 AM	#10
flintlock Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Upstate NY Contributor Posts: 897	Re: 14 dead, 50 wounded in shooting at Colorado I din't know Colorado's laws on ccw, but if the had been an armed citizen in the theater, this might have had a different ending. My heart goes out to all those that lost family to this lunatic.

07-20-2012, 07:48 AM	#11
buildit Former Guest Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Cowtown, ohia Posts: 96	Re: 14 dead, 50 wounded in shooting at Colorado A dark night for sure. Prayers for the families and those involved.

07-20-2012, 07:52 AM	#12
gun-nut Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: ohio Contributor Posts: 931	Re: 14 dead, 50 wounded in shooting at Colorado Just what we need before the UN meeting!!! My payrs to all them familys __________________ Don't retreat just reload.

07-20-2012, 08:07 AM	#14
oldman45 Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Louisiana Posts: 34	Re: 14 dead, 50 wounded in shooting at Colorado To those wondering what would have happened if others had been armed in the theater: There would have been more innocent victims. The man tossed a couple of smoke grenades. That covered him from the sight of others. The man was wearing a vest. People could have shot him and it would have not been successful. The theater was fully occupied. Bullets go through people and hit other things. People get in the live of fire. People cannot tell where the fire is coming from. It is easy to do armchair evaluations. This is especially so when you have never been shot at. I have been shot at by shotguns and handguns. The emotions get high, the fear comes in and you think more of getting cover and concealment before you do pulling a gun.

07-20-2012, 08:23 AM	#16
wv hillbilly Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: mountains of wv. Posts: 2,017	Re: 14 dead, 50 wounded in shooting at Colorado such a tragedy.

07-20-2012, 08:34 AM	#17
MSGT-R Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: SoCal Posts: 901	Re: 14 dead, 50 wounded in shooting at Colorado Colorado is a pro gun state, dispite Colombine and last night's tragity. Most of the theater was packed with young people, those most likely not to have guns, let alone CCW. This very same group may now be very anti-gun opinionated in the shock of the aftermath. Not a good political situation indeed. In this forum, I always read retoric and "what ifs" about CCW in the presence of something like this. Now that something like this has happened again, there was no return fire. Was someone carrying in a theater full of people? We'll probably never know. The gunman probably knew they were all Sheep to slaughter. __________________ If you suck, go back to the range. Last edited by MSGT-R; 07-20-2012 at 08:36 AM..

07-20-2012, 08:50 AM	#18
45nut Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,428	Re: 14 dead, 50 wounded in shooting at Colorado So very sad. My thoughts range from sympathy for the families of those killed and injured, to fa.lse fla.g operations, to the treaty, to more A/G legislation to rage that no one could kill this bastard. Looking at the tactical situation, it would have been very difficult to take him out because of the smoke, bedlam, confusion and fear, plus people running and falling down, getting hit by a pass through bullet (which must have happened quite a bit). My reaction would have been to get my wife on the floor, me over her with .45 ACP in hand looking for a safe way out. Laying low may have been the best option with all the sheep up and running, making themselves good targets. Don't know what I would have really done after donning my brown pants. __________________ A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that. Shane Nemo me impune lacesset We recall the case of the Shoshone war band which showed up complete with one 30-30 rifle per man the week after Pearl Harbor, and simply wanted to have the enemy pointed out to them. "We hear there's a war going on and we want to go fight it." Jeff Cooper *KCCO*

07-20-2012, 08:53 AM	#19
Killcreek Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 49	Re: 14 dead, 50 wounded in shooting at Colorado Reported now that the guy had on a bullet proof vest and a Kevlar riot helmet with Black BDU's. He did not intend to accept incoming fire. __________________ Life Member NRA Life Member NRA Whitington Center Member State Rifle Association Member State Muzzleloading Association Ammo is expensive, there will be no warning shots.

07-20-2012, 09:04 AM	#21
22WRF Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pea Ridge, FL Contributor Posts: 4,253	Re: 14 dead, 50 wounded in shooting at Colorado ABC draws possible Tea Party connection with alleged Aurora shooter ABC News has suggested that James Holmes -- the suspect in today's shooting in Aurora, Colorado -- may have a connection to the Tea Party. ABC's Brian Ross reported this morning that there is "a Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colorado, page on the Colorado Tea party site... talking about him joining the Tea Party last year." "Now, we don't know if this is the same Jim Holmes," Ross cautioned "but it's Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colorado." http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/...on-129568.html __________________ NRA GOA CCRKBA Happiness is a warm barrel

07-20-2012, 09:15 AM	#22
ampaterry TFF Admin Staff Chaplain Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: West Tennessee Contributor Posts: 6,291	Re: 14 dead, 50 wounded in shooting at Colorado A dozen people dead, many more wounded, and we still have people saying it would have been worse if folks had the means and will to fight back. This is the attitude that allows animals like this to wreck the damage they do. One person with a weapon could have GREATLY reduced the damage, and saved the courts a lot of time. 1. The smoke was thin enough for him to see through, so he could also be seen. 2. A vest and helmet (if he had one) would not prevent face, leg and arm wounds. 3. If he is laying on the floor with his legs shot out, his target aquisition is greatly limited. 4. With his arms shot, his accurace suffers. 5. With his face shot, the danger is greatly reduced. I have faced a perp coming for me. Running and hiding were not on my mind; stopping him was. __________________ A woman who demands further gun control legislation is like a chicken who roots for Colonel Sanders. Larry Elder

07-20-2012, 09:29 AM	#23
twobit V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: TEXAS! Posts: 360	Re: 14 dead, 50 wounded in shooting at Colorado media says it is 13 miles from Columbine.

07-20-2012, 09:37 AM	#24
22WRF Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pea Ridge, FL Contributor Posts: 4,253	Re: 14 dead, 50 wounded in shooting at Colorado A convenient distraction for ‘You Didn’t Build That business' ?????????? __________________ NRA GOA CCRKBA Happiness is a warm barrel

07-20-2012, 09:39 AM	#25
01brian V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Colorado Posts: 331	Re: 14 dead, 50 wounded in shooting at Colorado My Prayers to everyone affected in CO, this is a shame. As far as the armchair quarterbacks, and I'm still trying to verify this. But I think the theater is a "no guns" zone in Aurura.