Aurora's Strict Gun Laws - The Firearms Forum

glens67 · 07-25-2012, 01:25 AM

Ok just some talking points for your Liberal friends.

This ordinance banning the carrying of "dangerous weapons" was deemed "unenforceable" when Colorado state prohibited cities and counties from enforcing such laws in 2003. After talking to officials the Aurora Police Department, we found that counties can now issue concealed-and-carry permits, BUT in Aurora, it is still against the law to fire the weapon unless at a shooting range (or if you are an officer on duty). Therefore, it would have been illegal for anyone to fire in the theater. Also, the theater reportedly had a ban on any and all weapons. Anyone without a conceal-and-carry permit in Aurora must also keep their guns unloaded unless at a range.

** See Aurora Code Sech ttp://library.municode.com/index.aspx?clientId=10331 It shall be unlawful for any person to fire, shoot, or discharge any firearm; crossbow; bow and arrow; slingshot; blowgun; BB gun or pellet gun, whether powered with gunpowder, compressed air, or gas cartridges; gas gun; or any weapon whatsoever within the city limits. However, such discharge, firing, or shooting by any law enforcement officer, federal, state, county, or city, in the course of his or her official duty shall not be deemed a violation of this subsection, and such discharge, firing, or shooting at commercial, private, or public shooting ranges or by authorized classes of schools or universities at all times under proper instruction and supervision as may be authorized or permitted by law shall not be deemed a violation of this subsection."
*** Aurora Police Department confirmed this is the case within the city limits and without a conceal-and-carry permit from the appropriate county. See Aurora Code Sec. 94-144.5.

68c15 · 07-25-2012, 05:00 AM

so the BG has another charge against him for violating city ordinance? if only he knew it was illegal he may have decided to use water balloons instead.

hunter29180 · 07-25-2012, 07:35 AM

so can the victims sue both the city and the theater for failing to keep them safe?

just a thought..wife and i both agree that should something happen to one or both of us under simular circumstances the family should sue...

carver · 07-25-2012, 07:52 AM

First Lawsuits over the Aurora shootings and of course, it's someone who wasn't even physically harmed.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172&f=2488&t=9172138

Kevin Rohrer · 07-25-2012, 08:47 AM

Most or even all municipalities have an ordinance against firing a weapon within the town. Violating it is irrelevant in this situation.

skullfr · 07-25-2012, 09:04 AM

do you believe if someone had killed him they would actually crucify him.I feel the uproar would be louder if a citizen saved lives and faced charges forcing the DA to kinda smack his wrist.I would gladly take a weapon charge.When I was younger I never worried bout the law when it came to defending myself.

FlashBang · 07-25-2012, 11:34 AM

It would be very interesting to see a lawsuit against the City of Aurora based on Breach of Fiduciary Duty or similar. The City, through its ban on carrying firearms could be construed to have established an implied guarantee or promise to protect its citizens. It also collects taxes to provide such protection under its City Charter. Could the argument be made that the City failed to protect the citizens, assumed the liability for the protection of same, and fraudulently collected said taxes for their protection knowing that it could not do so? Since the lawsuit would be a Civil suit and not Criminal, the level of evidence becomes "Preponderance of Evidence" and not "Beyond A Reasonable Doubt". I would wager that a Class Action lawsuit against the City and naming each individual member of the City Council as party to the suit, may just fly.

Rhuga · 07-26-2012, 02:51 PM

If these laws were just passed by the officials and not voted on by the public. Then I believe that a lawsuit against the "egg heads" in the city government that passed these unhealthy laws be initiated.

07-25-2012, 01:25 AM	#1
glens67 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Middleton, ID Contributor Posts: 951	Aurora's Strict Gun Laws Ok just some talking points for your Liberal friends. This ordinance banning the carrying of "dangerous weapons" was deemed "unenforceable" when Colorado state prohibited cities and counties from enforcing such laws in 2003. After talking to officials the Aurora Police Department, we found that counties can now issue concealed-and-carry permits, BUT in Aurora, it is still against the law to fire the weapon unless at a shooting range (or if you are an officer on duty). Therefore, it would have been illegal for anyone to fire in the theater. Also, the theater reportedly had a ban on any and all weapons. Anyone without a conceal-and-carry permit in Aurora must also keep their guns unloaded unless at a range. See Aurora Code Sech ttp://library.municode.com/index.aspx?clientId=10331 It shall be unlawful for any person to fire, shoot, or discharge any firearm; crossbow; bow and arrow; slingshot; blowgun; BB gun or pellet gun, whether powered with gunpowder, compressed air, or gas cartridges; gas gun; or any weapon whatsoever within the city limits. However, such discharge, firing, or shooting by any law enforcement officer, federal, state, county, or city, in the course of his or her official duty shall not be deemed a violation of this subsection, and such discharge, firing, or shooting at commercial, private, or public shooting ranges or by authorized classes of schools or universities at all times under proper instruction and supervision as may be authorized or permitted by law shall not be deemed a violation of this subsection." * Aurora Police Department confirmed this is the case within the city limits and without a conceal-and-carry permit from the appropriate county. See Aurora Code Sec. 94-144.5. __________________ The fish is rotting from the head down—all is not well at the top of the political hierarchy. "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." Albert Einstein There is nothing more dangerous than a fanatic moron. Many problems we face today are there because people who work for a living are now outnumbered by those who vote for a living. Molon Labe μολὼν λαβέ A Deo victoria Glen -->

07-25-2012, 05:00 AM	#2
68c15 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 2,069	Re: Aurora's Strict Gun Laws so the BG has another charge against him for violating city ordinance? if only he knew it was illegal he may have decided to use water balloons instead. __________________ I'll go defenseless when our leaders do the same

07-25-2012, 07:35 AM	#3
hunter29180 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: in a motorhome where ever we park! Contributor Posts: 1,627	Re: Aurora's Strict Gun Laws so can the victims sue both the city and the theater for failing to keep them safe? just a thought..wife and i both agree that should something happen to one or both of us under simular circumstances the family should sue... __________________ As I get Older, I have come to understand why our Founding Fathers chose our countrys motto to be "IN GOD WE TRUST", somehow they knew in the future WE would come to the point that WE COULD NO LONGER TRUST THE ONES WHO RUN IT!

07-25-2012, 07:52 AM	#4
carver TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: DAV, Deep in the Pineywoods of East Texas, just west of Shreveport, LA Contributor Posts: 11,291	Re: Aurora's Strict Gun Laws First Lawsuits over the Aurora shootings and of course, it's someone who wasn't even physically harmed. http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172&f=2488&t=9172138 __________________ Y'all be safe now, ya hear! Lamentations Chapter 5: 1. Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach. 2. Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens. 3. We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers [are] as widows. 5. Our necks [are] under persecution: we labour, [and] have no rest. 16. The crown is fallen [from] our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned! 21. Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old. Last edited by carver; 07-25-2012 at 01:19 PM..

07-25-2012, 08:47 AM	#5
Kevin Rohrer V.I.P. Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Medina, Ohio Posts: 281	Re: Aurora's Strict Gun Laws Most or even all municipalities have an ordinance against firing a weapon within the town. Violating it is irrelevant in this situation. __________________ An armed society is a polite society--Robert Heinlein via Jeff Cooper Member: Orange Gunsite Family, NRA--Life, Varmint Hunters Assn, American Legion, ARCTA, & South Cuyahoga Sportsmen's Assn.

07-25-2012, 09:04 AM	#6
skullfr Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Beaumont,Texas Posts: 902	Re: Aurora's Strict Gun Laws do you believe if someone had killed him they would actually crucify him.I feel the uproar would be louder if a citizen saved lives and faced charges forcing the DA to kinda smack his wrist.I would gladly take a weapon charge.When I was younger I never worried bout the law when it came to defending myself. __________________ If Ya cant stand up stand out There is no atheist in a foxhole Psalms 144:1 Blessed be the Lord my strength,which teacheth my hand to war and my fingers to fight

07-25-2012, 11:34 AM	#7
FlashBang V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 200	Re: Aurora's Strict Gun Laws It would be very interesting to see a lawsuit against the City of Aurora based on Breach of Fiduciary Duty or similar. The City, through its ban on carrying firearms could be construed to have established an implied guarantee or promise to protect its citizens. It also collects taxes to provide such protection under its City Charter. Could the argument be made that the City failed to protect the citizens, assumed the liability for the protection of same, and fraudulently collected said taxes for their protection knowing that it could not do so? Since the lawsuit would be a Civil suit and not Criminal, the level of evidence becomes "Preponderance of Evidence" and not "Beyond A Reasonable Doubt". I would wager that a Class Action lawsuit against the City and naming each individual member of the City Council as party to the suit, may just fly.

07-26-2012, 02:51 PM	#8
Rhuga Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Henderson, Nevada Posts: 645	Re: Aurora's Strict Gun Laws If these laws were just passed by the officials and not voted on by the public. Then I believe that a lawsuit against the "egg heads" in the city government that passed these unhealthy laws be initiated. Last edited by Rhuga; 07-26-2012 at 03:06 PM..