watch the video especially what Ron paul says

[jack404]

no i dont assume your wimpy

i'm just nasty eh .. s'ok let me quote you practical examples of your scenario

1930's berlin , hitler was in power, everything was free and easy , drugs where popular and open , smoking pot in night clubs was common cocaine too

everyone loved hitler in them days , he gave them pride , there where jobs making tanks and guns and the eleite could do anything ..

but in the background , what was happening ??

and when those who enjoyed the early days and supported the hedonism that came from it all had it taken away

what happened to them ?? when they complained ??

they where sent away and never seen again ..

1960's Paris , a young cambodian student living the life of riely , booze pot , women , socialism was wonderful , he went back home and organised a way to throw the stiff old rulers out and replace it all with freedom and love and equality and fraternity for all

he became known as Pol Pot , and his group the Khmer Rouge

and i fought them for years ...

what you talk about is nice , but the facts of it is that there will always be those out there who will take advantage of any Utopian ideal as thats how they work..

The Bolshevist's did the same and got hijacked by the socialists who got hijacked by stalin

each ones idea of utopia was stolen by one stronger or more nasty than the previous one ...

until one got in that was so strong it stopped there

stalin

[jack404]

now to get back on track i posted this as Ron Paul very accurately describes the state of your nation and the plays it is currently making

the beginning of the vid shows that crazy , but he does a very good job of getting the info out , so far your government has bought 3 billion rounds of .40 while trying to push to block such sales to its citizenry , thats YOU

before gun control came in full swing here

we did similar here ( the gooberment in mean)

they armed up against us here ....

i like Ron paul for his balls but his accuracy sucks and most importantly

he has no back up

take a bit of RP and ensure who you vote for next time has that bit

you want a bit of allan west and a bit of reagan too

RP aint the answer this time round . do try to make him part of a third party to replace romney .. but he has to be checked , he's too much the loner with too many tangents to be viable long term . sorry to the RP fans , but thats my 2 cents , take it or leave it

but he is asking what needs to be asked by all in that video

so ask your representatives and demand answers with the reminder that they work for you , your vote for or against makes them employed or not

get organised folks

create your own party that will vote strictly constitutionally

you wont please everyone , but you'll keep everyone free and working ..

[TotheTop83]

Originally Posted by jack404

no i dont assume your wimpy

i'm just nasty eh .. s'ok let me quote you practical examples of your scenario

1930's berlin , hitler was in power, everything was free and easy , drugs where popular and open , smoking pot in night clubs was common cocaine too

everyone loved hitler in them days , he gave them pride , there where jobs making tanks and guns and the eleite could do anything ..

but in the background , what was happening ??

and when those who enjoyed the early days and supported the hedonism that came from it all had it taken away

what happened to them ?? when they complained ??

they where sent away and never seen again ..

1960's Paris , a young cambodian student living the life of riely , booze pot , women , socialism was wonderful , he went back home and organised a way to throw the stiff old rulers out and replace it all with freedom and love and equality and fraternity for all

he became known as Pol Pot , and his group the Khmer Rouge

and i fought them for years ...

what you talk about is nice , but the facts of it is that there will always be those out there who will take advantage of any Utopian ideal as thats how they work..

The Bolshevist's did the same and got hijacked by the socialists who got hijacked by stalin

each ones idea of utopia was stolen by one stronger or more nasty than the previous one ...

until one got in that was so strong it stopped there

stalin

Ok, I don't think we're communicating effectively (that goes for both of us). I'm not advocating that the rule of law should be thrown to the wind. Not at all. I'm not advocating that everything should be free or easy or anything of the kind.

What I am saying, is that if something doesn't affect the rights of others, it should not be illegal. Morality can not be legislated just like gun control can't control gun crimes. Making things illegal does nothing (well, it does little) to stop the actual behavior. Laws like that lead to more trouble than benefit.

Prohibition, restricting firearm carry rights, pot being illegal. They all lead to violence when in the end they were created to enforce a moral code of some sort.

Now whether we should live our lives that way, that's up to us as individuals and we will ultimately reap the consequences (good or bad) but it should not be the role of government to tell us how to live our lives.

[jack404]

we had legal pot here for years ... folks forget that .... better off without it ...

look at the price we pay

i do think it should be as a medicine there are benefits , but its gootta be checked against the person.. too many folks who smoke end up mentally ill . FACT , now does it cause it or exacebate a existing condition??

we dont know and until we do we had better restrict it especially to kids ..

or do you know better than someone who grew up in the place where it was legal ( decriminalised )

holland , same deal there, ask a local

[Prizefighter]

I generally agree with you, ToTheTop. Give the government the opportunity to legislate X about a person's life, and they won't stop there. Eventually they'll figure, hey, we're so smart, we should decide Y and Z for these poor saps, too.

[jack404]

like they are doing now ??

[Prizefighter]

Well, yes.

[Hawg]

Originally Posted by TotheTop83

, pot being illegal.

You bring up pot an awful lot.....Just sayin.

[g1nomad]

Originally Posted by Hawg

You bring up pot an awful lot.....Just sayin.

It has been decades for me without consumtion, but I would vote it legal
in a second. It should be legal in your home, and as far as driving, there
should be a level, like with alcohol. We don't want folks driving too slow.

[Hawg]

Originally Posted by g1nomad

It has been decades for me without consumtion, but I would vote it legal
in a second. It should be legal in your home, and as far as driving, there
should be a level, like with alcohol. We don't want folks driving too slow.

So pot should be legal but there should be speed laws? If you don't want government intervention you've got to trash can all of it not just the parts that suit you.

[Double D]

I hope this thread keeps going so we can sort out the liberals......

[g1nomad]

Originally Posted by Hawg

So pot should be legal but there should be speed laws? If you don't
want government intervention you've got to trash can all of it
not just the parts that suit you.

That is a silly response, you. Me thinks you're just a pot hater. I am sorry
the long hairs gave you such grief as a teenager.

When did I say I didn't want Government intervention. It would be madness
without laws against bad things. Pot just ain't one of the "bad" things.

When people vote, there are things voted to suit "us", not me. It isn't even
close to all or nothing. The people vote for parts that suited them. It IS all
about that parts that suit us.

I don't smoke weed (or eat brownies) becuase as a hard working adult,
I don't want my things confinscated by the Government. That doesn't
mean I wouldn't vote it legal is the vote came up. **** this for medicinal
purposes crud. That is just some shrinks looking for more billable visits.
Just like gay marriage is for all the divorce attorneys giddy about all the
furture work.

I don't have rose colored glasses. I don't like church hyms, and a nice little
weed buzz in my evening wouldn't hurt you. I will on occassion just reach for
the alcohol for an attitude adjustment. We the people still have that legal,
although I think it damages many things outside the body.

I'll bet you and I are really close in ways when paring us up againt the
radical jihads, but your refer madness is too paranoid to see that.

The best to us.

Herb

[g1nomad]

Originally Posted by Double D

I hope this thread keeps going so we can sort out the liberals......

Did you intend to write weed the liberals out?

[TotheTop83]

Originally Posted by Hawg

You bring up pot an awful lot.....Just sayin.

haha, yeah I noticed that too. I used it because it's an example of what I think is an ill-informed law.

For the record...I've smoked pot before...but never inhaled. Nah, I don't touch that stuff.

[jack404]

it was legal here for about 18 yrs ,

biggest different is now its "trendy" to smoke it and its about $400 a oz

when no one cared it was $10 a oz and some folks couldn't give it away

nutz ..

[graehaven]

Originally Posted by One Shot

I don't mind the conservative side of Libertarians, it's the liberal side that bothers me.

This is from Wikipedia:

Political scholars such as Noam Chomsky assert that in most countries the terms "libertarian" and "libertarianism" are synonymous with left anarchism.[9] In the United States people commonly associate the term libertarian with those who have economically conservative and socially liberal views (going by the common meanings of "conservative" and "liberal" in the United States).[10]

Please don't "source" wikipedia for anything. It can be updated/written by anyone out there with their facts all wrong. It's not allowed to be a source for any publication or research paper at any school. Wikipedia is right about 10 percent of the time if that.

And, OMG, for the billionth time, Ron Paul did NOT advocate the legalization of pot. What he advocates is for the FEDeral government to get OUT of the drug chasing business (with all of its wasteful spending - you know, the ineffective / joke war on drugs), and LET the STATES have the power to decide how to handle it. IF the state wants to legalize it, then they should be allowed to. It's a states rights issue. NOT a federal issue.

[jack404]

most of my stuff written on islam has been PC'd to death or non existance

wiki is racist against non muslims

[Hawg]

Originally Posted by g1nomad

That is a silly response, you. Me thinks you're just a pot hater. I am sorry
the long hairs gave you such grief as a teenager.

Now that's funny right there. I smoked pot as a teen. I also saw what it can do. I lost one of my best friends and his sister from pot use. So yeah I detest pot now. I was the long hair giving everybody grief tho. Hell I'm 55 now and still have long hair.

This was me about 25 years ago.



Me a couple of years ago. Still got the hair but its in a pony tail.