U.S. Westinghouse Mosin Nagant "what does the brass circle on the stock mean?"

hamster · 08-30-2012, 10:55 PM

I have a mosin nagant made by westinghouse. I have done some research on the rifle and found that it is a U.S. made nagant under contract back in 1915. It has an SA stamp inside a box that appears to mean it was once in Finnish hands. There is a D on the receiver that may mean Dragoon? But what really stumps me is this brass circle plate on the side of the stock that says HKK22? I have seen them on swedish mousers but why on this nagant and what does it mean? The gun has matching numbers on the receiver bolt and buttplate. Any answers would be appreciated.

mogunner · 08-31-2012, 08:42 PM

The upper stamp should denote what Finnish unit the rifle was assigned to from what I can see, and the bottom is just what number of rifle it was in inventory. I don't have access to the books regarding the Finn captures but you could probably go to the Russian Mosin Nagant forum and ask, I'm sure one of the guys there will know exactly.

jack404 · 08-31-2012, 09:07 PM

G'day hamster , question if i may , that the same rifle as here

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinRareFinnMarks.htm number 12 down ..

hamster · 08-31-2012, 11:36 PM

The two pics are from the site that I used for ref. to the type of gun, but the pic of the stock with the brass badge is my gun. The big mystery I have is the badge.... I haven't seen one on another nagant

jack404 · 09-01-2012, 12:39 AM

they are a common arsenal marking , we did similar here for a while and its as Mogunner said the HKK gives it away as finnish , the 22 ?? thats a fair bit of research ( or not )

Jim K · 09-01-2012, 09:44 PM

OK, I give up; what does the "HKK" stand for. The only meaning I can find is the airport code for Hokitika, in New Zealand, which is about as far from Finland as you can get and remain earthbound. I would assume the "22" is a rack number or property number.

Jim

mogunner · 09-03-2012, 01:19 AM

H.K.K "Häme" cavalry regiment (Hämeen ratsurykmentti in Finnish) according to the fellows over on the Mosin Nagant Forum, 22 being a rack or inventory number. These discs were usually removed which makes this one a nice find and a great addition to a collection.

mogunner · 09-03-2012, 11:45 AM

Or...H.K.K. could mean HuoltoKoulutusKeskus (Service Schooling Center)

It's still not confirmed but the guys are working on it, any which way you look its an uncommon Mosin.

Jim K · 09-03-2012, 03:17 PM

Thanks. I have a little knowledge of several languages, but I can definitely say that Finnish is NOT one of them. It is supposedly related to Hungarian, which is not one of them either.

Jim

08-30-2012, 10:55 PM	#1
hamster Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 13	U.S. Westinghouse Mosin Nagant "what does the brass circle on the stock mean?" I have a mosin nagant made by westinghouse. I have done some research on the rifle and found that it is a U.S. made nagant under contract back in 1915. It has an SA stamp inside a box that appears to mean it was once in Finnish hands. There is a D on the receiver that may mean Dragoon? But what really stumps me is this brass circle plate on the side of the stock that says HKK22? I have seen them on swedish mousers but why on this nagant and what does it mean? The gun has matching numbers on the receiver bolt and buttplate. Any answers would be appreciated. Attached Images -->

08-31-2012, 08:42 PM	#2
mogunner Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Eastern Missouri Posts: 1,019	Re: U.S. Westinghouse Mosin Nagant "what does the brass circle on the stock mean?" The upper stamp should denote what Finnish unit the rifle was assigned to from what I can see, and the bottom is just what number of rifle it was in inventory. I don't have access to the books regarding the Finn captures but you could probably go to the Russian Mosin Nagant forum and ask, I'm sure one of the guys there will know exactly.

08-31-2012, 09:07 PM	#3
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: U.S. Westinghouse Mosin Nagant "what does the brass circle on the stock mean?" G'day hamster , question if i may , that the same rifle as here http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinRareFinnMarks.htm number 12 down ..

08-31-2012, 11:36 PM	#4
hamster Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 13	Re: U.S. Westinghouse Mosin Nagant "what does the brass circle on the stock mean?" The two pics are from the site that I used for ref. to the type of gun, but the pic of the stock with the brass badge is my gun. The big mystery I have is the badge.... I haven't seen one on another nagant

09-01-2012, 12:39 AM	#5
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: U.S. Westinghouse Mosin Nagant "what does the brass circle on the stock mean?" they are a common arsenal marking , we did similar here for a while and its as Mogunner said the HKK gives it away as finnish , the 22 ?? thats a fair bit of research ( or not )

09-01-2012, 09:44 PM	#6
Jim K Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,408	Re: U.S. Westinghouse Mosin Nagant "what does the brass circle on the stock mean?" OK, I give up; what does the "HKK" stand for. The only meaning I can find is the airport code for Hokitika, in New Zealand, which is about as far from Finland as you can get and remain earthbound. I would assume the "22" is a rack number or property number. Jim

09-03-2012, 01:19 AM	#7
mogunner Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Eastern Missouri Posts: 1,019	Re: U.S. Westinghouse Mosin Nagant "what does the brass circle on the stock mean?" H.K.K "Häme" cavalry regiment (Hämeen ratsurykmentti in Finnish) according to the fellows over on the Mosin Nagant Forum, 22 being a rack or inventory number. These discs were usually removed which makes this one a nice find and a great addition to a collection.

09-03-2012, 11:45 AM	#8
mogunner Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Eastern Missouri Posts: 1,019	Re: U.S. Westinghouse Mosin Nagant "what does the brass circle on the stock mean?" Or...H.K.K. could mean HuoltoKoulutusKeskus (Service Schooling Center) It's still not confirmed but the guys are working on it, any which way you look its an uncommon Mosin.

09-03-2012, 03:17 PM	#9
Jim K Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,408	Re: U.S. Westinghouse Mosin Nagant "what does the brass circle on the stock mean?" Thanks. I have a little knowledge of several languages, but I can definitely say that Finnish is NOT one of them. It is supposedly related to Hungarian, which is not one of them either. Jim