.30-30 - The Firearms Forum

1LoneWolf75 · 09-02-2012, 11:56 PM

Hey yall, gettin ready to work up loads fer the ol .30-30 and would like some help. I'm usin IMR 4320 with 150 gr fn and I have what Lee and Hodgdon say fer loads. was wonderin what some of the other current reloadin manuals say. Could yall list em fer me? Along with where ya go em? Still buildin my library and don't have any current books. Read the old ones fer the explainin of what I was doin but don't want to use old powder info. Thanks.

Twicepop · 09-03-2012, 08:59 AM

If your just starting out to load the 30-30, this is a cartridge that is very critical of case length to get a consistant crimp. Cannelured bullets are a necessary item also, that goes along with the consistant case length, and a roll crimp that is necessary to prevent your bullets from being pushed back into the case by recoil and magazine spring pressure. I am presuming that you are using a rifle with an under barrel magazine magazine like a Win. 94 or Marlin 336. I have never used 4320 in mine, but have always used 3031 and never looked back. The bullet and load I use are 150 gr. Remington CoreLoct with 30.0 grains of IMR3031. Again case lenght is critical, and a moderate roll crimp for the aforementioned reasons.

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howlnmad · 09-03-2012, 09:47 AM

You can always go to the powder companies web sites and get load data.

1LoneWolf75 · 09-03-2012, 10:06 AM

Twicepop its a 336 and I'm below max length. I'm usin a Lee case length gauge fer that I'm usin Sierra 150 gr and I have seated the bullet as far out and still use the cannelure as I can. They still cycle so... I'm usin 4320 cuz that was what I had available to me.

Howlin Lee just uses the info from the powder Co. Since I have no idea what anyone else says I was just curious.

Thanks guys

JLA · 09-03-2012, 11:51 AM

Here ya go, current data specific to your bullet. Using what i know and understand about load development, Id stick 31.5 gr IMR4320 in the case and go hunting.

Cartridge: 30-30 Winchester

Load Type: Rifle

Starting Loads

Maximum Loads
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Bullet Weight (Gr.) Manufacturer Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure

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150 GR. SIE FN IMR IMR 4320 .308" 2.550" 30.5 2062 32,500 CUP 32.5 2127 36,500 CUP

1LoneWolf75 · 09-03-2012, 12:39 PM

That's funny JLA, 31.5 is exactly what the Lee dipper that came with the dies throws. Thank you fer the extra info that I don't have
regarding velocity and pressure.

JLA · 09-03-2012, 02:23 PM

The lee dippers are set to toss a specific volume. Go ahead and test the dipper with all the powders suited to the .30-30. Ill bet ever charge dipped will fall right between start and max weight for the powder shown. Thats why the Lee dippers have last so many years. as long as you dip the right powder for the right bullet you are always only throwing mid level charges.

1LoneWolf75 · 09-03-2012, 02:33 PM

Yeah when I measured it I got to lookin at the charge table that came with the dies and kinda figured it would fall halfway on all, which is where I kinda expect my loads to be centered around. I think that's a good place to put the dipper just fer safety's sake. I was just curious as to what Speer, Sierra, Hornady, and Lymans all said bout this powder in the ol .30-30.
As you know curiosity killed the cat, satisfaction brought him back!!!

I have been shootin it a min just to try to get windage set right, and will work up loads once I get that right.

Bindernut · 09-03-2012, 09:22 PM

Like twicepop, I use 3031 in the 30-30. Have 4320 but I've never tried it in that cartridge.

Neither the Hornady 7th Ed. or Sierra 5th Ed. have 4320 on their data table for any of the .30-30 loads.

Speer 12th Ed (old data...circa 1995) does:
150gr FN #2011
IMR4320
MIN - 29.0gr - 1699fps
MAX - 33.0gr - 2047fps

Kind of on the slow-burning end for .30-30 but it will work.

Besides IMR3031...IMR4198, Reloder7, H335 are also good powder choices for the 30-30.

JLA · 09-04-2012, 07:51 PM

It would be a well suited powder to the longer barreled .30-30s. I have a 26" legacy that loves slower powders and heavier bullets.

09-02-2012, 11:56 PM	#1
1LoneWolf75 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Humboldt KS Posts: 597	.30-30 Hey yall, gettin ready to work up loads fer the ol .30-30 and would like some help. I'm usin IMR 4320 with 150 gr fn and I have what Lee and Hodgdon say fer loads. was wonderin what some of the other current reloadin manuals say. Could yall list em fer me? Along with where ya go em? Still buildin my library and don't have any current books. Read the old ones fer the explainin of what I was doin but don't want to use old powder info. Thanks. __________________ They can have my guns when they pry them from my cold, dead hands!!! "Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who are not." - Thomas Jefferson "I've seen the system fall apart from the rules and all our presidents lie"--"Soul Survive"- Asphalt Ballethttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6DgVrYWw00 -->

09-03-2012, 09:47 AM	#3
howlnmad Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Harriman, Tn Contributor Posts: 2,573	Re: .30-30 You can always go to the powder companies web sites and get load data. __________________

09-03-2012, 10:06 AM	#4
1LoneWolf75 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Humboldt KS Posts: 597	Re: .30-30 Twicepop its a 336 and I'm below max length. I'm usin a Lee case length gauge fer that I'm usin Sierra 150 gr and I have seated the bullet as far out and still use the cannelure as I can. They still cycle so... I'm usin 4320 cuz that was what I had available to me. Howlin Lee just uses the info from the powder Co. Since I have no idea what anyone else says I was just curious. Thanks guys __________________ They can have my guns when they pry them from my cold, dead hands!!! "Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who are not." - Thomas Jefferson "I've seen the system fall apart from the rules and all our presidents lie"--"Soul Survive"- Asphalt Ballethttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6DgVrYWw00

09-03-2012, 11:51 AM	#5
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,328	Re: .30-30 Here ya go, current data specific to your bullet. Using what i know and understand about load development, Id stick 31.5 gr IMR4320 in the case and go hunting. Cartridge: 30-30 Winchester Load Type: Rifle Starting Loads Maximum Loads -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bullet Weight (Gr.) Manufacturer Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 150 GR. SIE FN IMR IMR 4320 .308" 2.550" 30.5 2062 32,500 CUP 32.5 2127 36,500 CUP __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

09-03-2012, 12:39 PM	#6
1LoneWolf75 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Humboldt KS Posts: 597	Re: .30-30 That's funny JLA, 31.5 is exactly what the Lee dipper that came with the dies throws. Thank you fer the extra info that I don't have regarding velocity and pressure. __________________ They can have my guns when they pry them from my cold, dead hands!!! "Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who are not." - Thomas Jefferson "I've seen the system fall apart from the rules and all our presidents lie"--"Soul Survive"- Asphalt Ballethttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6DgVrYWw00

09-03-2012, 08:59 AM	#2
Twicepop Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: NW Ohio Posts: 581	Re: .30-30 If your just starting out to load the 30-30, this is a cartridge that is very critical of case length to get a consistant crimp. Cannelured bullets are a necessary item also, that goes along with the consistant case length, and a roll crimp that is necessary to prevent your bullets from being pushed back into the case by recoil and magazine spring pressure. I am presuming that you are using a rifle with an under barrel magazine magazine like a Win. 94 or Marlin 336. I have never used 4320 in mine, but have always used 3031 and never looked back. The bullet and load I use are 150 gr. Remington CoreLoct with 30.0 grains of IMR3031. Again case lenght is critical, and a moderate roll crimp for the aforementioned reasons. those who beat their guns into plowshares, will plow for those who didn't

09-03-2012, 02:23 PM	#7
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,328	Re: .30-30 The lee dippers are set to toss a specific volume. Go ahead and test the dipper with all the powders suited to the .30-30. Ill bet ever charge dipped will fall right between start and max weight for the powder shown. Thats why the Lee dippers have last so many years. as long as you dip the right powder for the right bullet you are always only throwing mid level charges. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

09-03-2012, 02:33 PM	#8
1LoneWolf75 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Humboldt KS Posts: 597	Re: .30-30 Yeah when I measured it I got to lookin at the charge table that came with the dies and kinda figured it would fall halfway on all, which is where I kinda expect my loads to be centered around. I think that's a good place to put the dipper just fer safety's sake. I was just curious as to what Speer, Sierra, Hornady, and Lymans all said bout this powder in the ol .30-30. As you know curiosity killed the cat, satisfaction brought him back!!! I have been shootin it a min just to try to get windage set right, and will work up loads once I get that right. __________________ They can have my guns when they pry them from my cold, dead hands!!! "Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who are not." - Thomas Jefferson "I've seen the system fall apart from the rules and all our presidents lie"--"Soul Survive"- Asphalt Ballethttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6DgVrYWw00 Last edited by 1LoneWolf75; 09-03-2012 at 02:35 PM..

09-03-2012, 09:22 PM	#9
Bindernut Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ND, USA Posts: 2,454	Re: .30-30 Like twicepop, I use 3031 in the 30-30. Have 4320 but I've never tried it in that cartridge. Neither the Hornady 7th Ed. or Sierra 5th Ed. have 4320 on their data table for any of the .30-30 loads. Speer 12th Ed (old data...circa 1995) does: 150gr FN #2011 IMR4320 MIN - 29.0gr - 1699fps MAX - 33.0gr - 2047fps Kind of on the slow-burning end for .30-30 but it will work. Besides IMR3031...IMR4198, Reloder7, H335 are also good powder choices for the 30-30. Last edited by Bindernut; 09-03-2012 at 09:23 PM..

09-04-2012, 07:51 PM	#10
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,328	Re: .30-30 It would be a well suited powder to the longer barreled .30-30s. I have a 26" legacy that loves slower powders and heavier bullets. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!