Newly acquired Iver Johnson? - The Firearms Forum

aystevens · 09-16-2012, 10:10 PM

My grandfather passed away and I got his Iver Johnson .32 cal revolver, but dont know a whole lot about it and wanted some insight. Model #17214. Blued, fitchburg, mass. Markings showing june 16, 86(or96) aug 25 (**). T16 g4 pats pend. Pearl. Just trying to figure out if I can shoot it with powderless and/or what the history/worth is?

Jim K · 09-17-2012, 12:39 AM

I think you mean should you shoot it with smokeless powder ammunition. The answer is usually no, but if the gun is in good shape, you could probably fire a few shots without damaging it. But certainly not more than that.

The "model" number you cite is the serial number; it may have a letter ahead of it, but to see the complete serial number and date the gun the grips will have to be taken off. Be careful in doing so; if they are real pearl (and they probably are if they are as old as the gun) they will be brittle.

Any assessment of value will require good pictures, both sides and any special markings.

Jim

hrf · 09-17-2012, 06:31 AM

The patent dates you list should probably read:

PAT'D.JUN.16.96.AUG.25.96
SEPT.6.04.PAT'S.PENDING

This marking was used on the second model hammer type .32 made in 1908, but as Jim cites we need the serial number and letter prefix under left grip.

But it may be impossible to date it exactly if the pearl grips are original, as it may have a special order serial for which there are no records.

aystevens · 09-17-2012, 08:45 AM

Thanks for the information. I am very new to all of this, sorry for the incorrect language. Here are a few pictures.

45Auto · 09-17-2012, 09:13 AM

From the images, it is a 3rd Model, Safety Automatic Hammerless revolver. It was made for modern ammo. The 1st and 2nd models were made for cartridges loaded with black powder and for this reason, it is unwise to shoot them unless you load your own black powder .32 S&W ammo. The 3rd Model was improved in many ways including strengthening it for modern .32 S&W ammo. Thus, if your little IJ is otherwise is good mechanical condition you can use modern factory ammo to fire it.

hrf · 09-17-2012, 10:11 AM

Thanks for posting photos. The patent markings do appear to be those I cited, party lost in the rounding of grip, but lack of the trigger safety used on earlier models identify it as a third model made 1909-on for smokeless powder, so maybe there was a carry over of marking.

It appears to be in exceptional original condition, with case hardening colors still present on the trigger, and should be kept that way as a collector's item, and not used as a shooter.

As Jim cautioned, if you remove the grips be careful. After removing the screw, I'd use a single edge razor blade to break the seal between grip and frame, and only the left one needs to be removed to view the serial number that might identify the specific year made.

RJay · 09-17-2012, 07:20 PM

If you do shoot it ( and I would, at least a few rounds ) I would strongly recommend that you use substitute grip panels. MOP is very brittle and also very expensive now. You will never be able to replace them. I have a Colt 70 series Gold Cup with 200 dollar ( and that was 15 years ago ) MOP grips, when I take it to the range the grips come off and substitute grips go on.

09-17-2012, 12:39 AM	#2
Jim K Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,408	Re: Newly acquired Iver Johnson? I think you mean should you shoot it with smokeless powder ammunition. The answer is usually no, but if the gun is in good shape, you could probably fire a few shots without damaging it. But certainly not more than that. The "model" number you cite is the serial number; it may have a letter ahead of it, but to see the complete serial number and date the gun the grips will have to be taken off. Be careful in doing so; if they are real pearl (and they probably are if they are as old as the gun) they will be brittle. Any assessment of value will require good pictures, both sides and any special markings. Jim

09-17-2012, 06:31 AM	#3
hrf Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,309	Re: Newly acquired Iver Johnson? The patent dates you list should probably read: PAT'D.JUN.16.96.AUG.25.96 SEPT.6.04.PAT'S.PENDING This marking was used on the second model hammer type .32 made in 1908, but as Jim cites we need the serial number and letter prefix under left grip. But it may be impossible to date it exactly if the pearl grips are original, as it may have a special order serial for which there are no records.

09-17-2012, 08:45 AM	#4
aystevens Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 2	Re: Newly acquired Iver Johnson? Thanks for the information. I am very new to all of this, sorry for the incorrect language. Here are a few pictures. Attached Images

09-17-2012, 09:13 AM	#5
45Auto Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,124	Re: Newly acquired Iver Johnson? From the images, it is a 3rd Model, Safety Automatic Hammerless revolver. It was made for modern ammo. The 1st and 2nd models were made for cartridges loaded with black powder and for this reason, it is unwise to shoot them unless you load your own black powder .32 S&W ammo. The 3rd Model was improved in many ways including strengthening it for modern .32 S&W ammo. Thus, if your little IJ is otherwise is good mechanical condition you can use modern factory ammo to fire it.

09-17-2012, 10:11 AM	#6
hrf Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,309	Re: Newly acquired Iver Johnson? Thanks for posting photos. The patent markings do appear to be those I cited, party lost in the rounding of grip, but lack of the trigger safety used on earlier models identify it as a third model made 1909-on for smokeless powder, so maybe there was a carry over of marking. It appears to be in exceptional original condition, with case hardening colors still present on the trigger, and should be kept that way as a collector's item, and not used as a shooter. As Jim cautioned, if you remove the grips be careful. After removing the screw, I'd use a single edge razor blade to break the seal between grip and frame, and only the left one needs to be removed to view the serial number that might identify the specific year made.

09-16-2012, 10:10 PM	#1
aystevens Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 2	Newly acquired Iver Johnson? My grandfather passed away and I got his Iver Johnson .32 cal revolver, but dont know a whole lot about it and wanted some insight. Model #17214. Blued, fitchburg, mass. Markings showing june 16, 86(or96) aug 25 (*). T16 g4 pats pend. Pearl. Just trying to figure out if I can shoot it with powderless and/or what the history/worth is? --> Last edited by aystevens; 09-16-2012 at 10:37 PM..*

09-17-2012, 07:20 PM	#7
RJay Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 3,504	Re: Newly acquired Iver Johnson? If you do shoot it ( and I would, at least a few rounds ) I would strongly recommend that you use substitute grip panels. MOP is very brittle and also very expensive now. You will never be able to replace them. I have a Colt 70 series Gold Cup with 200 dollar ( and that was 15 years ago ) MOP grips, when I take it to the range the grips come off and substitute grips go on. __________________ RonJames