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Gun Geezer · 09-13-2012, 07:26 PM

The cop needs to have some geriatric training. As most people age, they get bladder and bowel issues. Retention can be a real a real problem. Older folks often have real psychological problems dealing with declining bodily functions and women are often more modest about urinary troubles.

All this could have been avoided by simply escorting her to a facility and allowing her to relieve herself before showing her papers. But then there's no classes in the police academy about compassion and human understanding. Most barely understand the rule books.

I suffered for yrs. with ulcerative colitis and some days had to exceed speed limits to get to the nearest toilet half way home from work. I would probably have been shot for not stopping until I got to the McDonalds restroom.

I can only hope the cop experiences some bodily disfunctions in his advanced yrs.

Blackhawk Dave · 09-13-2012, 07:51 PM

Sure, he was within his rights to arrest her. And to pull her out onto the concrete like a felon that has been running from the police in a high speed chase after robbing a bank.

Fine. Arrest her. But call for backup from a female police officer. The handling of this was just out of line. Another LEO who gets his jollys out of pushing his weight around. You can disagree with me, but after working as a legal investigator for a city, I've seen far too much of this.

76Highboy · 09-13-2012, 08:19 PM

The cop did his job. He did not overuse his authority. He gave her multiple chances to show her I.D. That officer works for the taxpayer and we as drivers agree by signature when we become drivers to obey the road and to show our I.D. upon request by someone of authority. When you are asked to show I.D. then show it. Then, she tells him to go ahead and arrest her,,, so he did. That was her choice not his. If she did not want to go to jail then she should have obeyed. I see no place where the cop is wrong. And yes, he COULD have been graceful but it seemed to me that as he was trying to explain what she did that she became snotty and disrespectful. If that lady was that rude to me I would have not been so quick to just let her go. Also, what if he let her go and she killed someone and they later found out that her ability to drive was not up to par, then that cop would really be in trouble.

gun runner · 09-13-2012, 08:41 PM

I believe in Texas if you dont show your ID you will get arrested for not providing Identification when requested by a public servant. Most stupidest law I ever heard. Im sure some cops out there are fair but from what I seen and heard, I doubt it, mostly all crooked. I have a clear criminal record and never been to jail in my life but I just dont believe in alot of such laws these days such as if you flick one off or make a threat you go to jail. Remember those are just verbal threats. They have a job to do and if they are scared that you will go through with such threat then they should be aware that being a law enforcement officer is a rough, stressful, and dangerous job and to expect anything from a crazy person.

shorter260513 · 09-13-2012, 08:42 PM

I dont think the cop flipped out at all what if granny didnt have a bladder infection and was movin dope (people this old have been found doing so) great way to loose the evidence where should he draw the line there is no difference between age or gender when it comes to illegal activity Im sorry I love my mom but if this had been her I would not feel differently at all she pushed the situation in the direction it went had she handed the officer her id and insurance as soon as he got to the window and explained what was going on the situation may well have turned out very different

CampingJosh · 09-13-2012, 09:28 PM

"Law Enforcement Officer" is the worst thing to ever happen to American citizens. They used to be called "Peace Officers," and they were charged with keeping the peace. Now their job is to enforce laws. There is huge, scary difference.

wannauseit · 09-13-2012, 09:46 PM

She was yelling "Oh, Oh, Oh" way before she rolled out of her car seat.

The thinking of "protect against a lawsuit" by making sure you have a female officer present, could easily turn into: "You cannot arrest unless you have a officer of gender, race, religion, nationality, and LEO background check approved by the ambulance chaser lawyer".

I agree that LE's abuse sometimes, but there is a time to act, and it cannot be done by going back to the patrol car and thinking about what to do for a few minutes. They either act accordingly or make a mistake. Either way, anyone could pick it apart to see it fit their way.

The police are supposed to enforce laws. Their safety is on the line as well. If some crab-apple lady is smart-assing me and trying to take control of the situation during a citation with her purse in her lap (my wife carries a few weapons in her purse)...... If she does not comply, I am supposed to give her a police escort to the closest restroom?

gun runner · 09-13-2012, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CampingJosh

"Law Enforcement Officer" is the worst thing to ever happen to American citizens. They used to be called "Peace Officers," and they were charged with keeping the peace. Now their job is to enforce laws. There is huge, scary difference.

I agree, all changed after the 1800's and barney 5

cycloneman · 09-13-2012, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by wannauseit

If she does not comply, I am supposed to give her a police escort to the closest restroom?

There are 2 threads about this topic and what i find amazing is not one person so far has said "let her go"

What was she doing? Speeding 66 in a 50. Ok she said she is has a infection and needs a bathroom. What is the harm in letting her go? I didn't hear loud rap music, or see tatoos all over her. I didn't see an old beat up piece of junk she was driving. She looked dressed nice. I have to say that by the way she looked she was not a hard line criminal. Just needed a bathroom. Let her go. Nope cant do that cause that wouldn't be right. It like I say all routein traffic stops are now part of your maintance every 3000 miles or 6 months which ever comes first. Get pulled over and spend 200 to 2000 dollars per stop. That is the way it is.

I had a cop get pissed off at me cause i drove to the next exit to pull over. He wanted to know why i didn't pull over on the interstate. You gotta be an ass to want to write a ticket standing next to vehicles doing 70 mph. But there born all the time. Just cant let it go.

01brian · 09-13-2012, 10:44 PM

They need to post this cop at the polling booth.

gun runner · 09-13-2012, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 01brian

They need to post this cop at the polling booth.

Or have a cop next to the booth thats for Romney

Double D · 09-14-2012, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by cycloneman

There are 2 threads about this topic and what i find amazing is not one person so far has said "let her go"

What was she doing? Speeding 66 in a 50. Ok she said she is has a infection and needs a bathroom. What is the harm in letting her go? I didn't hear loud rap music, or see tatoos all over her. I didn't see an old beat up piece of junk she was driving. She looked dressed nice. I have to say that by the way she looked she was not a hard line criminal. Just needed a bathroom. Let her go. Nope cant do that cause that wouldn't be right. It like I say all routein traffic stops are now part of your maintance every 3000 miles or 6 months which ever comes first. Get pulled over and spend 200 to 2000 dollars per stop. That is the way it is.

I had a cop get pissed off at me cause i drove to the next exit to pull over. He wanted to know why i didn't pull over on the interstate. You gotta be an ass to want to write a ticket standing next to vehicles doing 70 mph. But there born all the time. Just cant let it go.

Oh dear god, let her go? And miss the opportunity to show her who is boss? To show her she will never again talk to me like that, no sir, not me, not the king of the highway! I own these roads and dont you ever forget it!! Next time I will shoot you! Excuse me while I go beat my chest.....

gvw3 · 09-14-2012, 07:02 AM

She was wrong but thats no way to handle an older woman. Total disrespect on the cops part. I think it shows what the cop thinks of the general public.

Other poster was right. Cops now are out in force impounding our cars and writing tickets. This is for revenue. I have been pulled over 3 times in the last 2 weeks for no reason at all. They went over all my papers and let me go. We are fast becoming a police state.

steve4102 · 09-14-2012, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by shorter260513

I dont think the cop flipped out at all what if granny didnt have a bladder infection and was movin dope (people this old have been found doing so) great way to loose the evidence

Now that's a stretch! If she was "movin dope" she wouldn't have been speeding and she sure as hell wouldn't have refused his request for ID. If she was "movin dope" she would have done everything possible to avoid any kind of confrontation.

steve4102 · 09-14-2012, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by CampingJosh

"Law Enforcement Officer" is the worst thing to ever happen to American citizens. They used to be called "Peace Officers," and they were charged with keeping the peace. Now their job is to enforce laws. There is huge, scary difference.

What's even worse is who is in their corner supporting them. That's right their Union. And who runs the Union or IS the Union? That's right Organized Crime.

Am I the only one that finds it strange that the LEO in this country are paying $$ to organized crime.

cpttango30 · 09-14-2012, 08:12 AM

Old people are strong I have seen the marks they have left on my wife when she takes care of an elderly person who is confused. Don't let them BS you on that.

Now looks like she was at a gas station. She could have simply offered the officer her ID then asked to use the restroom because of a medical issue. I am sure he would have allowed that to happen.

Thought I don't know what she or he said as they voiced the reporter over 90% of the video. So she may or may not have said that in the beginning I don't know.

He made a lawful request to see her ID. My wife has been pulled over like that. She politely told the officer that she needed to pee and he can write her a ticket she was fine with that but if she didn't pee now she was going to pee herself. He followed her 2 miles to the next gas station at 80 mph with his lights going. Just saying.

Did he need to get as rough as he did? I don't know maybe this is one of them mean old battle ax's who is hell bent on causing him problems and maybe she is a frequent speeder who always has a lame ass excuse.

shorter260513 · 09-14-2012, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by steve4102

Now that's a stretch! If she was "movin dope" she wouldn't have been speeding and she sure as hell wouldn't have refused his request for ID. If she was "movin dope" she would have done everything possible to avoid any kind of confrontation.

I did not say she was movin dope but how can you tell if you think you can stand on the side of the road and point em out I dont care how old you are or what you know anybody can do anything at anytime period you cant just treat someone different becouse of age anything can happen if you dont think its right refuse to comply and see if you dont get your a$$ dragged out of the car and detained untill everything is sorted out this is just the way I feel if I wanna be a problem I deserve everything I get for my actions

gun runner · 09-14-2012, 10:15 AM

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Sig Willy · 09-14-2012, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by steve4102

Now that's a stretch! If she was "movin dope" she wouldn't have been speeding and she sure as hell wouldn't have refused his request for ID. If she was "movin dope" she would have done everything possible to avoid any kind of confrontation.

Some drug runners got caught because of their disregard to traffic laws so that's moot.

carver · 09-14-2012, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Double D

You got it right..she challenged his AUTHORITY. That authority is the whole problem. Power tripping authority.

You nailed it! This little old lady was, and is not, a criminal! She was only speeding, not knocking off liquor stores at gun point! If that had been my mama that cop would pay. It might take me a while to catch him right where I would want him, but when I did, he would pay. Her big crime here was that she chalenged his AUTHORITY!

Sig Willy · 09-14-2012, 11:26 AM

We have a law here that if you failed to ID yourself you're going to jail for no ID. Y'all probably have similar laws in your states so seriously guys, what do you expect the cop to do?

I agree that he's rough on the old lady but she tested his patience.

Alpo · 09-14-2012, 11:43 AM

She was only speeding. And refusing to provide any ID, so as far as the cop could tell she was driving a stolen car (no registration) with no drivers license or insurance.

Yeah, he shoulda let her go.

FlashBang · 09-14-2012, 08:30 PM

In Texas all officers are PEACE OFFICERS, That is what you are certified as and what your license says on it. As a former Peace Officer in Texas, I agree that this guy handled the situation all wrong. He over reacted and illegally arrested her and should be at the very least suspended without pay, and if the woman presses the issue with an Attorney; she should sue him for violation of her civil rights, unlawful arrest and press charges against him for assault. Any Attorney with half a brain could win the suit.

To clear up some misconceptions for my fellow Texans on here: in the State of Texas there are two (2) offenses that you can NOT be arrested for. The first one is Open Container and the second one is Speeding. They are Class C misdemeanor offenses and you can only be issued a citation, not arrested. I see Texans in here saying that in Texas you can be arrested for not showing your ID. This is 100% wrong. The charge is known as "Failure to identify" and only pertains to your refusal to identify yourself AFTER you have been arrested or if you are a witness to a crime. The Statute is very clear on this but people, and some LEO's, have convinced themselves and others that you can be arrested. The Statute that covers this is 38.02, look it up yourself.

In this instance, the only charge the Officer had was a speeding charge, which is a non-arrestable offense, and since the woman was not under arrest or a witness to a crime, she had no duty or obligation to identify herself to him.

Did she deserve to get ticketed? Heck yes... And if I had stopped her and she pulled that crap, I would have ticketed her for more then just speeding.... All while saying yes mam no mam and smiling. And if she then refused to sign the citation, I would have taken her into custody and brought her before a magistrate as the law states shall be done for refusal to sign.

This guy screwed up by not staying calm and in control, of both himself and the situation.
She screwed up by thinking she was going to be in control and argue on the side of the road. Trust me, you will never win like that. Let them do what they are going to do, cooperate fully, and then get yourself an Attorney after it is all done.

With all this said.. I see a pattern by some people on this site to continually try to denigrate LEO's and post everything they can about the ones who screw up, then try to lump every LEO into the same bad apple grouping. To those doing this, and you know who you are, you are doing exactly what the anti-gun crowd does and should be ashamed of yourself. There may be bad LEO's out there, but for every bad one there are thousands like me, and others, that were/are professional and do the job with pride and honor. I am frankly getting sick of the constant "cop bashing" I continually see from some on here. It is no better then a liberal anti-gun person posting everything negative they can dig up while ignoring the overwhelming good things out there.

I've said my piece and my opinion, now let's hold ourselves to the same standard we want to hold others to, or we are no better then that which we despise.

aa1911 · 09-14-2012, 08:39 PM

^^ well said!

woolleyworm · 09-14-2012, 11:39 PM

I think they were both in the wrong. I do think the cop owes her an apology for not taking longer than 20 seconds to try to reason with her and hear her out. His training or lack thereof hasn't paid off; I can't imagine how many people would be in jail if cops only gave you 20 seconds worth of level-headed thinking and that was it before they drag you out and slap cuffs on you.

The lady was just trying to explain her situation and was cut-off by the officers request ( which was a reasonable request ) she was just like most women though; they really really don't like to be cut-off and she just wanted to finish the last few statements on her condition. Was waiting another 10 seconds really going to endanger or threaten this officer? I think not. His ego and desire to show his authority overtook sensible judgement.

Should she win a lawsuit if it comes to that? No, she flat out broke several laws regardless and the cop certainly didn't beat her down or cause grave harm to her.
At this point, all the lady/her family are seeking is an apology. I know how these matters can change, I'm sure that lawyers have already contacted them and the potential $$$ can lead to even more insanity.

09-13-2012, 07:26 PM	#26
Gun Geezer Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,710	Re: Now, this is some fine police work The cop needs to have some geriatric training. As most people age, they get bladder and bowel issues. Retention can be a real a real problem. Older folks often have real psychological problems dealing with declining bodily functions and women are often more modest about urinary troubles. All this could have been avoided by simply escorting her to a facility and allowing her to relieve herself before showing her papers. But then there's no classes in the police academy about compassion and human understanding. Most barely understand the rule books. I suffered for yrs. with ulcerative colitis and some days had to exceed speed limits to get to the nearest toilet half way home from work. I would probably have been shot for not stopping until I got to the McDonalds restroom. I can only hope the cop experiences some bodily disfunctions in his advanced yrs. __________________ If voting could change anything for the better, It'd already be illegal.

09-13-2012, 07:51 PM	#27
Blackhawk Dave Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Denton, TX Posts: 593	Re: OK Granny, Respect my Authoriti!!!!! Sure, he was within his rights to arrest her. And to pull her out onto the concrete like a felon that has been running from the police in a high speed chase after robbing a bank. Fine. Arrest her. But call for backup from a female police officer. The handling of this was just out of line. Another LEO who gets his jollys out of pushing his weight around. You can disagree with me, but after working as a legal investigator for a city, I've seen far too much of this.

09-13-2012, 08:19 PM	#28
76Highboy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Meridian, Idaho Contributor Posts: 6,969	Re: Now, this is some fine police work The cop did his job. He did not overuse his authority. He gave her multiple chances to show her I.D. That officer works for the taxpayer and we as drivers agree by signature when we become drivers to obey the road and to show our I.D. upon request by someone of authority. When you are asked to show I.D. then show it. Then, she tells him to go ahead and arrest her,,, so he did. That was her choice not his. If she did not want to go to jail then she should have obeyed. I see no place where the cop is wrong. And yes, he COULD have been graceful but it seemed to me that as he was trying to explain what she did that she became snotty and disrespectful. If that lady was that rude to me I would have not been so quick to just let her go. Also, what if he let her go and she killed someone and they later found out that her ability to drive was not up to par, then that cop would really be in trouble.

09-13-2012, 08:41 PM	#29
gun runner Former Guest Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: South Texas Contributor Posts: 1,871	Re: Now, this is some fine police work I believe in Texas if you dont show your ID you will get arrested for not providing Identification when requested by a public servant. Most stupidest law I ever heard. Im sure some cops out there are fair but from what I seen and heard, I doubt it, mostly all crooked. I have a clear criminal record and never been to jail in my life but I just dont believe in alot of such laws these days such as if you flick one off or make a threat you go to jail. Remember those are just verbal threats. They have a job to do and if they are scared that you will go through with such threat then they should be aware that being a law enforcement officer is a rough, stressful, and dangerous job and to expect anything from a crazy person.

09-13-2012, 08:42 PM	#30
shorter260513 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 262	Re: Now, this is some fine police work I dont think the cop flipped out at all what if granny didnt have a bladder infection and was movin dope (people this old have been found doing so) great way to loose the evidence where should he draw the line there is no difference between age or gender when it comes to illegal activity Im sorry I love my mom but if this had been her I would not feel differently at all she pushed the situation in the direction it went had she handed the officer her id and insurance as soon as he got to the window and explained what was going on the situation may well have turned out very different

09-13-2012, 09:28 PM	#31
CampingJosh TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Contributor Posts: 4,788	Re: Now, this is some fine police work "Law Enforcement Officer" is the worst thing to ever happen to American citizens. They used to be called "Peace Officers," and they were charged with keeping the peace. Now their job is to enforce laws. There is huge, scary difference. __________________ Nothing posted on TheFirearmsForum.com constitutes legal, accounting, gunsmithing, or other professional advice. Readers are encouraged to consult with qualified professionals for real advice. Your life is lived at your own risk. Don't blame me for the dumb things you do.

09-13-2012, 09:46 PM	#32
wannauseit Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 11	Re: OK Granny, Respect my Authoriti!!!!! She was yelling "Oh, Oh, Oh" way before she rolled out of her car seat. The thinking of "protect against a lawsuit" by making sure you have a female officer present, could easily turn into: "You cannot arrest unless you have a officer of gender, race, religion, nationality, and LEO background check approved by the ambulance chaser lawyer". I agree that LE's abuse sometimes, but there is a time to act, and it cannot be done by going back to the patrol car and thinking about what to do for a few minutes. They either act accordingly or make a mistake. Either way, anyone could pick it apart to see it fit their way. The police are supposed to enforce laws. Their safety is on the line as well. If some crab-apple lady is smart-assing me and trying to take control of the situation during a citation with her purse in her lap (my wife carries a few weapons in her purse)...... If she does not comply, I am supposed to give her a police escort to the closest restroom?

09-13-2012, 10:44 PM	#35
01brian V.I.P. Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Colorado Posts: 331	Re: Now, this is some fine police work They need to post this cop at the polling booth.

09-14-2012, 07:02 AM	#38
gvw3 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Chicago IL Area Contributor Posts: 3,305	Re: Now, this is some fine police work She was wrong but thats no way to handle an older woman. Total disrespect on the cops part. I think it shows what the cop thinks of the general public. Other poster was right. Cops now are out in force impounding our cars and writing tickets. This is for revenue. I have been pulled over 3 times in the last 2 weeks for no reason at all. They went over all my papers and let me go. We are fast becoming a police state. __________________ Criminals advocate stronger gun laws to foster a safer work environment. This limits their exposure to risk.

09-14-2012, 08:12 AM	#41
cpttango30 Former Guest Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Stafford, VA Contributor Posts: 3,071	Re: Now, this is some fine police work Old people are strong I have seen the marks they have left on my wife when she takes care of an elderly person who is confused. Don't let them BS you on that. Now looks like she was at a gas station. She could have simply offered the officer her ID then asked to use the restroom because of a medical issue. I am sure he would have allowed that to happen. Thought I don't know what she or he said as they voiced the reporter over 90% of the video. So she may or may not have said that in the beginning I don't know. He made a lawful request to see her ID. My wife has been pulled over like that. She politely told the officer that she needed to pee and he can write her a ticket she was fine with that but if she didn't pee now she was going to pee herself. He followed her 2 miles to the next gas station at 80 mph with his lights going. Just saying. Did he need to get as rough as he did? I don't know maybe this is one of them mean old battle ax's who is hell bent on causing him problems and maybe she is a frequent speeder who always has a lame ass excuse.

09-14-2012, 10:15 AM	#43
gun runner Former Guest Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: South Texas Contributor Posts: 1,871	Re: Now, this is some fine police work :deleted: Last edited by gun runner; 09-14-2012 at 10:24 AM..

09-14-2012, 11:26 AM	#46
Sig Willy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 565	Re: Now, this is some fine police work We have a law here that if you failed to ID yourself you're going to jail for no ID. Y'all probably have similar laws in your states so seriously guys, what do you expect the cop to do? I agree that he's rough on the old lady but she tested his patience. __________________ _________________________ Be alert! We need more lerts!

09-14-2012, 11:43 AM	#47
Alpo Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NW Florida Posts: 8,662	Re: Now, this is some fine police work She was only speeding. And refusing to provide any ID, so as far as the cop could tell she was driving a stolen car (no registration) with no drivers license or insurance. Yeah, he shoulda let her go. __________________ Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and taste good with catsup - George of Lod, Year of Our Lord 297 I always take precautions. Beware the Evil Bullet Fairies.

09-14-2012, 08:30 PM	#48
FlashBang V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 200	Re: Now, this is some fine police work In Texas all officers are PEACE OFFICERS, That is what you are certified as and what your license says on it. As a former Peace Officer in Texas, I agree that this guy handled the situation all wrong. He over reacted and illegally arrested her and should be at the very least suspended without pay, and if the woman presses the issue with an Attorney; she should sue him for violation of her civil rights, unlawful arrest and press charges against him for assault. Any Attorney with half a brain could win the suit. To clear up some misconceptions for my fellow Texans on here: in the State of Texas there are two (2) offenses that you can NOT be arrested for. The first one is Open Container and the second one is Speeding. They are Class C misdemeanor offenses and you can only be issued a citation, not arrested. I see Texans in here saying that in Texas you can be arrested for not showing your ID. This is 100% wrong. The charge is known as "Failure to identify" and only pertains to your refusal to identify yourself AFTER you have been arrested or if you are a witness to a crime. The Statute is very clear on this but people, and some LEO's, have convinced themselves and others that you can be arrested. The Statute that covers this is 38.02, look it up yourself. In this instance, the only charge the Officer had was a speeding charge, which is a non-arrestable offense, and since the woman was not under arrest or a witness to a crime, she had no duty or obligation to identify herself to him. Did she deserve to get ticketed? Heck yes... And if I had stopped her and she pulled that crap, I would have ticketed her for more then just speeding.... All while saying yes mam no mam and smiling. And if she then refused to sign the citation, I would have taken her into custody and brought her before a magistrate as the law states shall be done for refusal to sign. This guy screwed up by not staying calm and in control, of both himself and the situation. She screwed up by thinking she was going to be in control and argue on the side of the road. Trust me, you will never win like that. Let them do what they are going to do, cooperate fully, and then get yourself an Attorney after it is all done. With all this said.. I see a pattern by some people on this site to continually try to denigrate LEO's and post everything they can about the ones who screw up, then try to lump every LEO into the same bad apple grouping. To those doing this, and you know who you are, you are doing exactly what the anti-gun crowd does and should be ashamed of yourself. There may be bad LEO's out there, but for every bad one there are thousands like me, and others, that were/are professional and do the job with pride and honor. I am frankly getting sick of the constant "cop bashing" I continually see from some on here. It is no better then a liberal anti-gun person posting everything negative they can dig up while ignoring the overwhelming good things out there. I've said my piece and my opinion, now let's hold ourselves to the same standard we want to hold others to, or we are no better then that which we despise.

09-14-2012, 08:39 PM	#49
aa1911 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 3,115	Re: Now, this is some fine police work ^^ well said! __________________ "Loud noises don't end gunfights.... well placed shots do."

09-14-2012, 11:39 PM	#50
woolleyworm TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SW Fort Worth Contributor Posts: 4,885	Re: Now, this is some fine police work I think they were both in the wrong. I do think the cop owes her an apology for not taking longer than 20 seconds to try to reason with her and hear her out. His training or lack thereof hasn't paid off; I can't imagine how many people would be in jail if cops only gave you 20 seconds worth of level-headed thinking and that was it before they drag you out and slap cuffs on you. The lady was just trying to explain her situation and was cut-off by the officers request ( which was a reasonable request ) she was just like most women though; they really really don't like to be cut-off and she just wanted to finish the last few statements on her condition. Was waiting another 10 seconds really going to endanger or threaten this officer? I think not. His ego and desire to show his authority overtook sensible judgement. Should she win a lawsuit if it comes to that? No, she flat out broke several laws regardless and the cop certainly didn't beat her down or cause grave harm to her. At this point, all the lady/her family are seeking is an apology. I know how these matters can change, I'm sure that lawyers have already contacted them and the potential $$$ can lead to even more insanity. __________________ . What are you gonna do, talk the alien to death? -- (on Sigourney Weaver's worry about Guns in Aliens) "Safety is something that happens between your ears, not something you hold in your hands." "I carry a small gun to compensate for my huge Blue press." .