the second amendment a privilege

[pdg929]

i dont know how many of you guys are from the great state of new jersey but we are a may issue state with justifiable need to have a ccw....

http://www.anjrpc.org/default.asp

[jack404]

http://c.ymcdn.com/sites/anjrpc.site..._Brief_RTC.pdf

POINT I
THE NJ CARRY PERMIT LAW DOES NOT IMPERMISSIBLY
BURDEN CONDUCT PROTECTED BY THE SECOND
AMENDMENT. ............................................................................................ 14
A. Heller Only Recognized a Right to Bear Arms For Self-Defense in
the Home. .................................................................................................. 15
B. Any Right to Bear Arms Outside of the Home is a Limited Right
Subject to Reasonable Regulation. ........................................................... 23
C. The NJ Carry Permit Law Reasonably Regulates the Ability to Carry
a Weapon. ................................................................................................. 26
POINT II
EVEN IF THE COURT PERCEIVES UNCERTAINTY ABOUT
WHETHER THERE IS AN ABSOLUTE RIGHT TO CARRY
OUTSIDE THE HOME FOR SELF-DEFENSE, NEW JERSEY’S
CARRY PERMIT LAW IS CONSTITUTIONAL. ...................................... 31
A. The NJ Carry Permit Law Satisfies the Appropriate Level of Judicial
Scrutiny. .................................................................................................... 31
B. The Prior Restraint Doctrine Does Not Apply In The Second
Amendment Context. ................................................................................ 37

[howlnmad]

Originally Posted by pdg929

the great state of new jersey

BWAHAHAHA ROTFLMAO

You're biggest problem is that you're becoming a suburb of nyc. I won't be long and you'll be under the rule of bloomberg.

[firefighter1635]

It's a State, don't know about the Great part...

[cycloneman]

Privilege????

They just dont get it.

never will

[gvw3]

I like this quote "it is the State's responsibility to protect the public". I guess this means you can sue the state if they don't.

[jack404]

YEAH!!!! ( wont work though, we've tried that here after gun control , we soon realised there was no help comin .. specially if the attackers where islamic , then they gotta ask a imam if they can interfere and save a non muslims life or some PC BS )

[stumpjumper]

when i lived there, (not that long ago) getting a firearms purchase ID card was not that big of a hassle, more time waiting for it than anything. then again, got mine in 76. you can buy bb and long guns with it. for a handgun, you need a separate application for each one. for a carry permit, whole bunch of hoops and regulations, but it can be done. you have to show a legitimate need, in my case I owned a business and therefore carried receipts to the bank, so I would have qualified on that point. as with anything in that state though, it helps to have a cop, judge or politician vouch for you. you know, show that you're such a fine, upstanding citizen..

[aa1911]

it would be like if you could own a car but weren't allowed to pull out of your driveway without special permission. what's the point then? you are allowed to protect your life only in your home but not anywhere else. but then again, the 2A is about the national guard, right? foo-ee

New Jersey's nonsense is a plague visited upon the great state of PA where I grew up; we gladly donate Philly to NJ also if anyone asks. Gov Christy has some good things to say though!

I'm glad I have the entire country to separate me from NJ and NY... and Mass. while I'm at it.... seems like there's too many folks there that just don't get it.... 911 just isn't fast enough for me.

[sub-moa]

Originally Posted by jack404

YEAH!!!! ( wont work though, we've tried that here after gun control , we soon realised there was no help comin .. specially if the attackers where islamic , then they gotta ask a imam if they can interfere and save a non muslims life or some PC BS )

Warren v. District of Columbia is one of the leading cases of this type. Two women were upstairs in a townhouse when they heard their roommate, a third woman, being attacked downstairs by intruders. They phoned the police several times and were assured that officers were on the way. After about 30 minutes, when their roommate's screams had stopped, they assumed the police had finally arrived. When the two women went downstairs they saw that in fact the police never came, but the intruders were still there. As the Warren court graphically states in the opinion: "For the next fourteen hours the women were held captive, raped, robbed, beaten, forced to commit sexual acts upon each other, and made to submit to the sexual demands of their attackers."

The three women sued the District of Columbia for failing to protect them, but D.C.'s highest court exonerated the District and its police, saying that it is a "fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen."

[tyc]

Originally Posted by pdg929

i dont know how many of you guys are from the great state of new jersey but we are a may issue state with justifiable need to have a ccw....

http://www.anjrpc.org/default.asp

Go OPEN CARRY - also known as "OC"

tyc

[ryan42]

Used to be in indiana our aplication had a space wanting to know your reason for wanting a carry permit and if you put its my constitutional right they would send it back to ya.Thats not the case now you dont have to site a reason for wanting one.

[carver]

I sure am glad that my ancestors had enough sense to head for TN, and points South!

[targetacqmgt]

Originally Posted by gvw3

I like this quote "it is the State's responsibility to protect the public". I guess this means you can sue the state if they don't.

Hmmmmmm. Is that what the Facists in Germany, Italy and Spain used tp usurp parlimentry governments in those countries???

[targetacqmgt]

Originally Posted by sub-moa

Warren v. District of Columbia is one of the leading cases of this type. Two women were upstairs in a townhouse when they heard their roommate, a third woman, being attacked downstairs by intruders. They phoned the police several times and were assured that officers were on the way. After about 30 minutes, when their roommate's screams had stopped, they assumed the police had finally arrived. When the two women went downstairs they saw that in fact the police never came, but the intruders were still there. As the Warren court graphically states in the opinion: "For the next fourteen hours the women were held captive, raped, robbed, beaten, forced to commit sexual acts upon each other, and made to submit to the sexual demands of their attackers."

The three women sued the District of Columbia for failing to protect them, but D.C.'s highest court exonerated the District and its police, saying that it is a "fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen."

So the Supremes ruled in favor of the women????

[Jerryboy]

Originally Posted by targetacqmgt

So the Supremes ruled in favor of the women????

nope, re-read that last paragraph. the SCrOTUS ruled against the women, saying the police have no duty to protect them. unless, of course, you're a senator, congressperson, are employed by a government agency, or are rich.

[aa1911]

if any firearms law was 'constitutional', there would be no permits or restrictions whatsoever. That comma in the 2A seems to confuse the crap out of a lot of idiots these days. seems pretty clear to me... but I don't have to tell anyone here that....

freakin' kills me... yeah, you can own a gun... hooray! but you can't HAVE it except when you're sleeping in your home... cause crime NEVER happens outside your home.... and only LAC's commit massive gun violence, not criminals... they would NEVER dream of breaking any laws. let's make more laws....

[targetacqmgt]

Originally Posted by Jerryboy

nope, re-read that last paragraph. the SCrOTUS ruled against the women, saying the police have no duty to protect them. unless, of course, you're a senator, congressperson, are employed by a government agency, or are rich.

So the equivalent of a STATE court rulled against the women stating that the police essentially have no duty to absolutely defend the general public. I did not make my self clear-it would have borne more weight if the FEDERAL Supreme court had made such a ruling that would apply to ALL states. No??

[pdg929]

protect and serve my ass

[Jerryboy]

Originally Posted by targetacqmgt

So the equivalent of a STATE court rulled against the women stating that the police essentially have no duty to absolutely defend the general public. I did not make my self clear-it would have borne more weight if the FEDERAL Supreme court had made such a ruling that would apply to ALL states. No??

oops, misread the story.

[therewolf]

"the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Funny, I can't find

the "except in New Jersey", either.


NO, you can't get a CC permit in NJ, and if you do, you are assigned

specific restrictions on when and where to carry.


Go to a gun tolerant state, spend all your money there.

You'll be safer, and have better freedoms.

AND WHAT IS THAT SMELL ? ? ?- Sort of a combo of petro-raw sewage-landfill gas-diesel fumes...