marlin 60 question - The Firearms Forum

BETH · 10-12-2012, 03:16 PM

so last time i went to range after both of us shot over 300rnds started new box ammo and both guns would not chamber went home cleaned both rifles and went to range today one rifle is fine and the other won't chamber 1st round so what do u think is wrong? Do i clean it again?

BETH · 10-12-2012, 04:37 PM

any ideas

BETH · 10-12-2012, 06:52 PM

wannauseit · 10-12-2012, 08:20 PM

It could be the ammo "nose". Semi-auto .22's can be finicky. I have a couple that don't like lead-nosed hollow points, while they will shoot the Remington "golden" bullets.

Try a variety of ammo and see what works best for them.

BETH · 10-12-2012, 08:51 PM

used same ammo in other rifle that rifle is fine? i use federal auto match never had a problem before?

BETH · 10-12-2012, 09:18 PM

any opinions?

CCHolderinMaine · 10-12-2012, 09:33 PM

Can you clarify "won't chamber"? When you work the action is a round not stripping out of the magazine or does it jam?

BETH · 10-12-2012, 09:42 PM

When i go to shoot 1st round,don't know how to say this,instead of the 1st casing flying out and then the action? closing it does not close all the way and there is a round in there which i dump out and then everything is fine hope u can understand what i am trying to say?

CCHolderinMaine · 10-12-2012, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BETH

When i go to shoot 1st round,don't know how to say this,instead of the 1st casing flying out and then the action? closing it does not close all the way and there is a round in there which i dump out and then everything is fine hope u can understand what i am trying to say?

OK, you load the tube magazine, you operate the bolt to chamber a round and fire. It works properly to that point? Then when the spent casing is ejected and the next round is chambered the bolt does not close all the way? You are saying when you eject the 1 round on which the bolt didn't close, the rest all load and eject properly? Have you tried "helping" (just push it with your finger) the bolt closed all the way? It sounds, if I'm getting the picture right, that perhaps the tube magazine has some crud that's gumming up the action. The unfired round that you're ejecting...does it look normal? Is it scratched or have any marks? Is it sticky or stained? I'm no gunsmith, but it's hard to imagine what's different about the 1st round, than the other 13 in there. If you can "help" the bolt close and all works well, certainly supports cleaning and I'd focus on that feed tube. If the round that the bolt stays open on is somehow not chambered correctly. there could be a physical problem with the feed tube, although again it's hard (for me anyway) to figure how it only affects the first round. My best guess? Crud in a limited part of the feed tube.

BETH · 10-12-2012, 10:08 PM

u got what i was trying to say and its funny u mentioned the tube because it just seems tighter to me then it use to. I really did not look at ammo i dumped and i should have that was my fault will look if it happens again. I will clean everything again and see if it happens again. The orange part on the tube that pushes ammo down u don't have to put oil inside of that do u?

CCHolderinMaine · 10-12-2012, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BETH

u got what i was trying to say and its funny u mentioned the tube because it just seems tighter to me then it use to. I really did not look at ammo i dumped and i should have that was my fault will look if it happens again. I will clean everything again and see if it happens again. The orange part on the tube that pushes ammo down u don't have to put oil inside of that do u?

I was quite confident that you had a feed tube issue from your description. The fact that you mention that you can even feel a difference virtually confirms it. Tighter as in the rounds don't slide easily or as in the cap doesn't close well?

As to what to do next, my advice is to get the gun's manual out and disassemble that feed tube as far as your skill allows and clean it well. Also look at it closely to be sure there isn't a bend or a nick or kink anywhere. As far as lubricating the follower (orange thing in the tube) I don't own one, couple friends do so I'm pretty familiar with it, but not enough to know the proper procedure. I suggested the manual, for that answer too.

BETH · 10-12-2012, 10:39 PM

tube use to slip in and out easily and tighten easily now it comes out but not as easy and when pushing it down i can hear the spring, my other 60 tube is easy and i don't hear the spring i will examine it for sure. Thanks for helping me out

BETH · 10-12-2012, 10:45 PM

i am going to clean both rifles and if it happens again going to try tube from other rifle and see if i have the same problem

CCHolderinMaine · 10-12-2012, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BETH

tube use to slip in and out easily and tighten easily now it comes out but not as easy and when pushing it down i can hear the spring, my other 60 tube is easy and i don't hear the spring i will examine it for sure. Thanks for helping me out

That's definitely your problem. It explains as well, why it's only the very first round. Sounds like it should be a pretty straightforward solution. Good luck!

BETH · 10-12-2012, 10:49 PM

i will let u know what happens thanks again

CJ_56 · 10-13-2012, 01:39 AM

That's just another example of how every rifle is an individual. The follower spring is not working well it sounds like. If the pressure isn't right it can cause issues just like what you describe. There can be a hitch in your follower's function just at the point that it's pushing on the one round that won't feed. You can clean those followers but it sure isn't easy. If you can't get it to work by just cycling the spring back and forth with your hand you might try using a cleaning solvent. You'd need to use something made just for cleaning. I would probably pour or spray something like Hoppe's No. 9 or maybe some of their Semi-Auto Solvent. I would saturate the inside of the inner mag and let it sit for a while then sling out what I could (outside only of course) and then use an air hose to blow out what I couldn't sling out. It won't leave any residue of it's own but you'll want to get all the gunk out of the inside of the inner mag tube. I'd probably repeat that process 2 or 3 times then try it again. I'd probably let it dry a while first. Let it hang with the follower down so anything left can run out.

It's not easy to clean the inside of that follower though. You may need to get another inner mag.

It is possible to take the inner mag apart and clean it but it's a tough thing to get done. If you're not comfortable with tricky operations get a gunsmith to do it. In fact I might consider just taking it to the gunsmith right off the bat if you don't have a compressor to blow out the inner mag tube or for whatever reason you may not want to do it yourself. A job like that would only cost about $10 or less at my gunsmith. Most of those guys know what they're doing really well but not all of them do. If anyone suggests using WD-40 I'd run.

Seriously, don't try that. You'll create more problems instead of fixing this one.

MikeH121 · 10-13-2012, 04:41 AM

The end of the tube is crimped to hold the follower. As CJ said get some cleaner spray inside and let it dry. Over time little particles of lead can build up.

oldfartrr · 10-13-2012, 01:23 PM

one other thing u may wish to check,,,
when u cleaned them did u clean the fireing pin slot ?? some times powder residue or brass particles get blown back into that area and will hang the fireing pin.. as it is inertia type some times wont retract all the way and can keep the next shot from fully rising and will jam.
good luck,, these things are normally no problem but lil gremlins some times catch us

BETH · 10-13-2012, 08:59 PM

ok i don't know where the fireing pin slot is? Can i take the ammo tube and spray the inside with brake cleaner that should get the gunk out the inside of it right?

BETH · 10-13-2012, 09:26 PM

should i use brake cleaner

Albtraum · 10-13-2012, 11:28 PM

the bolt is the big silvery block, the fire pin in the middle of it. Make sure the firing pin can wiggle back and forth freely, NO OIL goes on the firing pin. The sides, you can. I don't like taking out the bolt of my 60 unless I have to. That spring is easy to bend...

Big Shrek · 10-16-2012, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BETH

should i use brake cleaner

If you use brake cleaner, do NOT get it on the plastic Buffer...melty melty like the Wicked Witch of the East

oldfartrr · 10-18-2012, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Albtraum

the bolt is the big silvery block, the fire pin in the middle of it. Make sure the firing pin can wiggle back and forth freely, NO OIL goes on the firing pin. The sides, you can. I don't like taking out the bolt of my 60 unless I have to. That spring is easy to bend...

thanks for posting the picture and infor for beth,,
i had to go out of town and just got back, never thought to post a pic at the time i did the post ( dah ).
hope it helped

fuzebox40 · 10-19-2012, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Shrek

If you use brake cleaner, do NOT get it on the plastic Buffer...melty melty like the Wicked Witch of the East

I was just thinking the same about the follower.

10-12-2012, 03:16 PM	#1
BETH Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: naugatuck,Ct. Contributor Posts: 6,676	marlin 60 question so last time i went to range after both of us shot over 300rnds started new box ammo and both guns would not chamber went home cleaned both rifles and went to range today one rifle is fine and the other won't chamber 1st round so what do u think is wrong? Do i clean it again? -->

10-12-2012, 04:37 PM	#2
BETH Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: naugatuck,Ct. Contributor Posts: 6,676	Re: marlin 60 question any ideas

10-12-2012, 06:52 PM	#3
BETH Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: naugatuck,Ct. Contributor Posts: 6,676	Re: marlin 60 question ?

10-12-2012, 08:20 PM	#4
wannauseit Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 11	Re: marlin 60 question It could be the ammo "nose". Semi-auto .22's can be finicky. I have a couple that don't like lead-nosed hollow points, while they will shoot the Remington "golden" bullets. Try a variety of ammo and see what works best for them.

10-12-2012, 08:51 PM	#5
BETH Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: naugatuck,Ct. Contributor Posts: 6,676	Re: marlin 60 question used same ammo in other rifle that rifle is fine? i use federal auto match never had a problem before?

10-12-2012, 09:18 PM	#6
BETH Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: naugatuck,Ct. Contributor Posts: 6,676	Re: marlin 60 question any opinions?

10-12-2012, 09:33 PM	#7
CCHolderinMaine Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Steep Falls, Maine Contributor Posts: 636	Re: marlin 60 question Can you clarify "won't chamber"? When you work the action is a round not stripping out of the magazine or does it jam?

10-12-2012, 09:42 PM	#8
BETH Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: naugatuck,Ct. Contributor Posts: 6,676	Re: marlin 60 question When i go to shoot 1st round,don't know how to say this,instead of the 1st casing flying out and then the action? closing it does not close all the way and there is a round in there which i dump out and then everything is fine hope u can understand what i am trying to say?

10-12-2012, 10:08 PM	#10
BETH Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: naugatuck,Ct. Contributor Posts: 6,676	Re: marlin 60 question u got what i was trying to say and its funny u mentioned the tube because it just seems tighter to me then it use to. I really did not look at ammo i dumped and i should have that was my fault will look if it happens again. I will clean everything again and see if it happens again. The orange part on the tube that pushes ammo down u don't have to put oil inside of that do u?

10-12-2012, 10:39 PM	#12
BETH Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: naugatuck,Ct. Contributor Posts: 6,676	Re: marlin 60 question tube use to slip in and out easily and tighten easily now it comes out but not as easy and when pushing it down i can hear the spring, my other 60 tube is easy and i don't hear the spring i will examine it for sure. Thanks for helping me out

10-12-2012, 10:45 PM	#13
BETH Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: naugatuck,Ct. Contributor Posts: 6,676	Re: marlin 60 question i am going to clean both rifles and if it happens again going to try tube from other rifle and see if i have the same problem

10-12-2012, 10:49 PM	#15
BETH Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: naugatuck,Ct. Contributor Posts: 6,676	Re: marlin 60 question i will let u know what happens thanks again

10-13-2012, 01:39 AM	#16
CJ_56 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: SE Ohio Posts: 391	Re: marlin 60 question That's just another example of how every rifle is an individual. The follower spring is not working well it sounds like. If the pressure isn't right it can cause issues just like what you describe. There can be a hitch in your follower's function just at the point that it's pushing on the one round that won't feed. You can clean those followers but it sure isn't easy. If you can't get it to work by just cycling the spring back and forth with your hand you might try using a cleaning solvent. You'd need to use something made just for cleaning. I would probably pour or spray something like Hoppe's No. 9 or maybe some of their Semi-Auto Solvent. I would saturate the inside of the inner mag and let it sit for a while then sling out what I could (outside only of course) and then use an air hose to blow out what I couldn't sling out. It won't leave any residue of it's own but you'll want to get all the gunk out of the inside of the inner mag tube. I'd probably repeat that process 2 or 3 times then try it again. I'd probably let it dry a while first. Let it hang with the follower down so anything left can run out. It's not easy to clean the inside of that follower though. You may need to get another inner mag. It is possible to take the inner mag apart and clean it but it's a tough thing to get done. If you're not comfortable with tricky operations get a gunsmith to do it. In fact I might consider just taking it to the gunsmith right off the bat if you don't have a compressor to blow out the inner mag tube or for whatever reason you may not want to do it yourself. A job like that would only cost about $10 or less at my gunsmith. Most of those guys know what they're doing really well but not all of them do. If anyone suggests using WD-40 I'd run. Seriously, don't try that. You'll create more problems instead of fixing this one. Last edited by CJ_56; 10-13-2012 at 01:41 AM..

10-13-2012, 04:41 AM	#17
MikeH121 Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 45	Re: marlin 60 question The end of the tube is crimped to hold the follower. As CJ said get some cleaner spray inside and let it dry. Over time little particles of lead can build up.

10-13-2012, 01:23 PM	#18
oldfartrr V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: northern calif Posts: 293	Re: marlin 60 question one other thing u may wish to check,,, when u cleaned them did u clean the fireing pin slot ?? some times powder residue or brass particles get blown back into that area and will hang the fireing pin.. as it is inertia type some times wont retract all the way and can keep the next shot from fully rising and will jam. good luck,, these things are normally no problem but lil gremlins some times catch us

10-13-2012, 08:59 PM	#19
BETH Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: naugatuck,Ct. Contributor Posts: 6,676	Re: marlin 60 question ok i don't know where the fireing pin slot is? Can i take the ammo tube and spray the inside with brake cleaner that should get the gunk out the inside of it right?

10-13-2012, 09:26 PM	#20
BETH Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: naugatuck,Ct. Contributor Posts: 6,676	Re: marlin 60 question should i use brake cleaner

10-13-2012, 11:28 PM	#21
Albtraum Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 635	Re: marlin 60 question the bolt is the big silvery block, the fire pin in the middle of it. Make sure the firing pin can wiggle back and forth freely, NO OIL goes on the firing pin. The sides, you can. I don't like taking out the bolt of my 60 unless I have to. That spring is easy to bend...