Tear gas colt industries 38 caliper tear gas pen - The Firearms Forum

Spededdy · 10-08-2012, 11:32 PM

My father passed and I found these flares and pen gun. I have no clue how old they are and if there worth anything? Could anyone help me out recondition where to sell? Thanks so much in advance.

jack404 · 10-09-2012, 12:21 AM

Sir

1 that is extreamly collectable

2 REAL CS Gas shells check you legality

CS is Military only now i believe for all the US

pepper spray and mace are still lawfull in various states

do check CS gas

I bid $355 on one recently and lost by $5 as my connection aint the fastest from Australia to the USA

I'd have gone to $400 for the unit alone as i collect such things ..

i offer the same for that one .. cept i just checked and they are a banned export

WTF!!!

hmmm, cant import flares or flare guns now US prohibited , interesting..

Spededdy · 10-09-2012, 12:40 AM

Would you be intrested? Does that mean I'm assuming I can't sell on eBay?

jack404 · 10-09-2012, 01:31 AM

its a US law preventing export , flares where added recently ( they'd lock you up for sending it and me as a accomplice )

you can sell it to anyone in the US as usual

I'm in Australia and the UN screws me over often on such things so now i check

i am interested but i'll have to find one here like a few things eh .. and why i say constantly the UN sucks ..

they made about 20,000 but many where exported about 1000 came here but many have been tossed or rusted to heck from no care or put away unprotected

but as stated the auction for another was lively it had a estimated sale of $ $250-$350 before auction and it went past that so they bring way more than book price
currently

and flares are still available for them ..

find a reputable gun trader who gets a lot of folks into their auctions and put on $300 reserve but expect to pay 15-%-20% fee's

jack404 · 10-09-2012, 01:44 AM

a gent on another forum bought one for $40 last year , sold it 3 weeks later for $320 cash to another gent google $40 colt gas flare pen it'll be top 5

with the change in politics and environment ( if you get my drift ) these as they can get flares and gas shells still , have become a must have for some folks , they've gone up a avg of $100 in a few months .. and places have sold out of shells for them for the first time and ordering more ..

Spededdy · 10-09-2012, 05:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jack404

its a US law preventing export , flares where added recently ( they'd lock you up for sending it and me as a accomplice )

you can sell it to anyone in the US as usual

I'm in Australia and the UN screws me over often on such things so now i check

i am interested but i'll have to find one here like a few things eh .. and why i say constantly the UN sucks ..

they made about 20,000 but many where exported about 1000 came here but many have been tossed or rusted to heck from no care or put away unprotected

but as stated the auction for another was lively it had a estimated sale of $ $250-$350 before auction and it went past that so they bring way more than book price
currently

and flares are still available for them ..

find a reputable gun trader who gets a lot of folks into their auctions and put on $300 reserve but expect to pay 15-%-20% fee's

Where would I find a reputable gun dealer? That's not gonna try and take advantage of me cause idk anything about it. Do you have one you could recommend? And what should I ask and except for all the flare stuff I have as far as price range?

jack404 · 10-09-2012, 06:00 AM

there'll be some real experts along soon enough who can advise you all that better

i have good contacts for older stuff but this , i'll have to ask some folks and hear from some folks here i hope

Spededdy · 10-09-2012, 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jack404

there'll be some real experts along soon enough who can advise you all that better

i have good contacts for older stuff but this , i'll have to ask some folks and hear from some folks here i hope

Ok thanks man keep in touch if u hear something

FlashBang · 10-09-2012, 12:35 PM

Colt made these back in the late 60's. They fire tear gas (CS), flares, and there was also an adapter to chamber a small caliber round for single shot use. I see them for sale in their original kit packaging for between $150-$250 all the time. Be aware however that in the US they are classified by the BATFE as an AOW (Any Other Weapon) and have to be transferred on an ATF form 4 with a $5 tax stamp paid. If you sell it you need to follow the BATFE rules on the transfer of an AOW. This means that you cannot physically transfer it to the buyer until after the BATFE stamp paperwork comes back to you if you want to stay legal. Most people are not aware of the fact that they are classified as an AOW and do not perform the required transfer, they are pushing their luck. I personally follow all the rules since BATFE doesn't play games if you get caught.

jack404 · 10-09-2012, 04:24 PM

cheers for the info Flashbang dont want the members in strife maybe thats why they gone up so much

Spededdy · 10-09-2012, 07:08 PM

I'm gonna try and just find someone on craiglist. I dont wanna eBay it but idk where to sell it.

Jim K · 10-09-2012, 08:00 PM

Colt didn't make those pens, it only marketed them. IIRC, they were actually made by Lake Erie Chemical Co. (which was owned at one time by S&W). They are NOT illegal or an AOW under Federal law (they may be illegal under some state or local laws) because they do not fire a conventional cartridge. The gas is contained in the "cartridge" that screws into the front of the gun. A regular bulleted cartridge cannot be fired without re-manufacturing the pen.

The two red cartridges are flares, which could be used for signalling in distress.

P.S. Any attempt to re-manufacture that gun to fire a cartridge, legality aside, would lead to disaster, since the gadget would not stand up to the pressure of a live round, and they have no breech block, so the blowback would wreck the gun and seriously injure the user.

Jim

pickenup · 10-09-2012, 10:58 PM

Spededdy,
You didn't list your location.
What state you are in might help.

Goody · 10-10-2012, 08:31 AM

OK, the ones in the bags are CS gas, the red ones are flares. What are the three silver tips? Just curious.

Jim K · 10-10-2012, 09:26 AM

Dunno.

Jim

jack404 · 10-10-2012, 04:03 PM

flares but white ones no parachute

10-08-2012, 11:32 PM	#1
Spededdy Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 7	Tear gas colt industries 38 caliper tear gas pen My father passed and I found these flares and pen gun. I have no clue how old they are and if there worth anything? Could anyone help me out recondition where to sell? Thanks so much in advance. -->

10-09-2012, 12:21 AM	#2
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Tear gas colt industries 38 caliper tear gas pen Sir 1 that is extreamly collectable 2 REAL CS Gas shells check you legality CS is Military only now i believe for all the US pepper spray and mace are still lawfull in various states do check CS gas I bid $355 on one recently and lost by $5 as my connection aint the fastest from Australia to the USA I'd have gone to $400 for the unit alone as i collect such things .. i offer the same for that one .. cept i just checked and they are a banned export WTF!!! hmmm, cant import flares or flare guns now US prohibited , interesting.. Last edited by jack404; 10-09-2012 at 12:35 AM..

10-09-2012, 12:40 AM	#3
Spededdy Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 7	Re: Tear gas colt industries 38 caliper tear gas pen Would you be intrested? Does that mean I'm assuming I can't sell on eBay?

10-09-2012, 01:31 AM	#4
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Tear gas colt industries 38 caliper tear gas pen its a US law preventing export , flares where added recently ( they'd lock you up for sending it and me as a accomplice ) you can sell it to anyone in the US as usual I'm in Australia and the UN screws me over often on such things so now i check i am interested but i'll have to find one here like a few things eh .. and why i say constantly the UN sucks .. they made about 20,000 but many where exported about 1000 came here but many have been tossed or rusted to heck from no care or put away unprotected but as stated the auction for another was lively it had a estimated sale of $ $250-$350 before auction and it went past that so they bring way more than book price currently and flares are still available for them .. find a reputable gun trader who gets a lot of folks into their auctions and put on $300 reserve but expect to pay 15-%-20% fee's Last edited by jack404; 10-09-2012 at 01:39 AM..

10-09-2012, 01:44 AM	#5
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Tear gas colt industries 38 caliper tear gas pen a gent on another forum bought one for $40 last year , sold it 3 weeks later for $320 cash to another gent google $40 colt gas flare pen it'll be top 5 with the change in politics and environment ( if you get my drift ) these as they can get flares and gas shells still , have become a must have for some folks , they've gone up a avg of $100 in a few months .. and places have sold out of shells for them for the first time and ordering more .. Last edited by jack404; 10-09-2012 at 01:50 AM..

10-09-2012, 06:00 AM	#7
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Tear gas colt industries 38 caliper tear gas pen there'll be some real experts along soon enough who can advise you all that better i have good contacts for older stuff but this , i'll have to ask some folks and hear from some folks here i hope

10-09-2012, 12:35 PM	#9
FlashBang V.I.P. Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 200	Re: Tear gas colt industries 38 caliper tear gas pen Colt made these back in the late 60's. They fire tear gas (CS), flares, and there was also an adapter to chamber a small caliber round for single shot use. I see them for sale in their original kit packaging for between $150-$250 all the time. Be aware however that in the US they are classified by the BATFE as an AOW (Any Other Weapon) and have to be transferred on an ATF form 4 with a $5 tax stamp paid. If you sell it you need to follow the BATFE rules on the transfer of an AOW. This means that you cannot physically transfer it to the buyer until after the BATFE stamp paperwork comes back to you if you want to stay legal. Most people are not aware of the fact that they are classified as an AOW and do not perform the required transfer, they are pushing their luck. I personally follow all the rules since BATFE doesn't play games if you get caught.

10-09-2012, 04:24 PM	#10
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Tear gas colt industries 38 caliper tear gas pen cheers for the info Flashbang dont want the members in strife maybe thats why they gone up so much

10-09-2012, 07:08 PM	#11
Spededdy Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 7	Re: Tear gas colt industries 38 caliper tear gas pen I'm gonna try and just find someone on craiglist. I dont wanna eBay it but idk where to sell it.

10-09-2012, 08:00 PM	#12
Jim K Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,408	Re: Tear gas colt industries 38 caliper tear gas pen Colt didn't make those pens, it only marketed them. IIRC, they were actually made by Lake Erie Chemical Co. (which was owned at one time by S&W). They are NOT illegal or an AOW under Federal law (they may be illegal under some state or local laws) because they do not fire a conventional cartridge. The gas is contained in the "cartridge" that screws into the front of the gun. A regular bulleted cartridge cannot be fired without re-manufacturing the pen. The two red cartridges are flares, which could be used for signalling in distress. P.S. Any attempt to re-manufacture that gun to fire a cartridge, legality aside, would lead to disaster, since the gadget would not stand up to the pressure of a live round, and they have no breech block, so the blowback would wreck the gun and seriously injure the user. Jim Last edited by Jim K; 10-09-2012 at 08:05 PM..

10-09-2012, 10:58 PM	#13
pickenup Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Colorado Rocky Mountains Posts: 6,838	Re: Tear gas colt industries 38 caliper tear gas pen Spededdy, You didn't list your location. What state you are in might help. __________________ The gene pool needs chlorine

10-10-2012, 08:31 AM	#14
Goody V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 333	Re: Tear gas colt industries 38 caliper tear gas pen OK, the ones in the bags are CS gas, the red ones are flares. What are the three silver tips? Just curious.

10-10-2012, 09:26 AM	#15
Jim K Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 6,408	Re: Tear gas colt industries 38 caliper tear gas pen Dunno. Jim

10-10-2012, 04:03 PM	#16
jack404 Former Guest Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Australia Contributor Posts: 17,622	Re: Tear gas colt industries 38 caliper tear gas pen flares but white ones no parachute