Disposal of "misfired" rounds - The Firearms Forum

targetacqmgt · 10-07-2012, 12:44 PM

Ok shot some 30-06 mil surplus. Primary hit-no boom. Now what? Any ideas on what to SAFELY do wiht the rounds???

Country101 · 10-07-2012, 12:50 PM

you can take a pair of pliers and pull the bullets.

Keep them pointed in a safe direction(both ends) and there shouldnt be much risk. Without a barrel to contain the pressure, if they go off they wont do much, but better safe than sorry. They might still be able to put out an eye.

targetacqmgt · 10-07-2012, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Country101

you can take a pair of pliers and pull the bullets.

Keep them pointed in a safe direction(both ends) and there shouldnt be much risk. Without a barrel to contain the pressure, if they go off they wont do much.

Thought that might be the answer. If the brass ain't too banged up, how do you get the primer out to reload the brass???

BlackEagle · 10-07-2012, 12:56 PM

Do you have a bullet puller of some sort?

If you reload, you can disassemble the cartridge and reuse the components.

If you don't reload, use a pair of pliers to pull the bullet out of the case; put the powder out in your yard--it's rich in nitrates and can make good fertiliser.

tcox4freedom · 10-07-2012, 12:57 PM

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/667...-bullet-puller

Country101 · 10-07-2012, 01:04 PM

I didnt know if a kenetic puller would be as safe, is why I suggested the pliers. I havent used one though.

targetacqmgt · 10-07-2012, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackEagle

Do you have a bullet puller of some sort?

If you reload, you can disassemble the cartridge and reuse the components.

If you don't reload, use a pair of pliers to pull the bullet out of the case; put the powder out in your yard--it's rich in nitrates and can make good fertiliser.

Good thoughts-waste NOTHING. I swear this is the only thing that will allow a business to stay in business in the 21st century- NO outputs except saleable product and zero waste.

I would like to reload the milspec 30-06 stuff so the primer is a bit further out or at least flush. Most of the primers on the misfires were sunken so the firing pin did not ignite the powder.

CampingJosh · 10-07-2012, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Country101

I didnt know if a kenetic puller would be as safe, is why I suggested the pliers. I havent used one though.

The kinetic pullers are plenty safe, and they're the only way to be able to reuse the bullet and brass. Pliers will cause damage.

targetacqmgt · 10-07-2012, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by tcox4freedom

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/667...-bullet-puller

I will add it to my next midway bulk purchase!!

JLA · 10-07-2012, 02:10 PM

ditch the pliers.. get a kinetic hammer and dismantle them. reload the brass with a good primer and reassemble the load and shoot it.

therewolf · 10-07-2012, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by targetacqmgt

Thought that might be the answer. If the brass ain't too banged up, how do you get the primer out to reload the brass???

The same way you always do, with the resizing die ?

targetacqmgt · 10-07-2012, 02:46 PM

Oh I have everything for 7.62X39 except the press. I will need to get a set for 30-06. What is a good press that will accept ANY mfg dies? Or are the dies specific to the press??

targetacqmgt · 10-07-2012, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by therewolf

The same way you always do, with the resizing die ?

Ja but the primer did NOT fire

Country101 · 10-07-2012, 02:53 PM

You can deprime live primers. Take it slow. That has come up before. I think I remember 2 instances where they had them go off. Nothing major, if I remember correctly.

BlackEagle · 10-07-2012, 03:31 PM

I have deprimed live primers. As said, take it slow. Even if it goes off, it will probably try to blow it out of the primer pocket.

Two things to watch out for if you are using mil spec ammo.

1. Check down inside the case to see if there are two or one holes in the primer pocket. Some mil spec brass is "Berden primed" (two holes) which is a problem for depriming, and you need Berdden primers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hth3Xwoqe9M shows a good summary.

2. Mil spec primer pockets are usually crimped. The crimp needs to be removed before you try to prime the brass. Midway has a number of tools that will remove the crimp. Or you can use a countersink on a drill...
http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?t=114039 has some good points.

You can use most dies in most presses; I think Dillon needs to use its own dies, but I may be wrong on that. There are plenty of Dillon users here. I have RCBS and I could use most makes of die on it.

targetacqmgt · 10-07-2012, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackEagle

I have deprimed live primers. As said, take it slow. Even if it goes off, it will probably try to blow it out of the primer pocket.

Two things to watch out for if you are using mil spec ammo.

1. Check down inside the case to see if there are two or one holes in the primer pocket. Some mil spec brass is "Berden primed" (two holes) which is a problem for depriming, and you need Berdden primers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hth3Xwoqe9M shows a good summary.

2. Mil spec primer pockets are usually crimped. The crimp needs to be removed before you try to prime the brass. Midway has a number of tools that will remove the crimp. Or you can use a countersink on a drill...
http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?t=114039 has some good points.

You can use most dies in most presses; I think Dillon needs to use its own dies, but I may be wrong on that. There are plenty of Dillon users here. I have RCBS and I could use most makes of die on it.

Very good info. Thanks. I am a little squirrely around live rounds. I had a 40mm Mk-19 round blow up in the feed tray (18 month old ammo with non-flush primers). The exploded casing sent pieces flying around the gun mount. I STILL like to find the QA inspector for that lot of ammo- I'd give a 40mm enema.

JLA · 10-07-2012, 07:19 PM

Most all presses are threaded for 7/8X14 dies which is an industry standard now. The big presses (Le classic cast and RCBS Rockchucker) use bigger dies but come with a bushing for adapting to 7/8X14

gun-nut · 10-08-2012, 07:33 AM

Just be carefull of some misfires as i have had a few that got real hot after i unloaded the gun. so i took the bullet first into the ground and pushed it in the ground and got away. just a few mins. latter that darn thing went off. So just a fare warning. I now take a bucket of water with me so if they do that i drop them in the water and its been a safer thing. I have had most of them be the old 303 brit ammo that have done this.

howlnmad · 10-08-2012, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by targetacqmgt

I would like to reload the milspec 30-06 stuff so the primer is a bit further out or at least flush. Most of the primers on the misfires were sunken so the firing pin did not ignite the powder.

Bad idea. By not seating the primer all the way (about .004 below flush) it leaves the firing pin to finish seating it creating a fail to fire. Just get yourself a press and dies and reuse the brass with quality components.

gun runner · 10-08-2012, 11:08 AM

Whatever you do just be careful. I always wondered what to do with them. I always thought about throwing misfired ammo out the window when going down the road. I dont want to have anything to do with ammo that I had in my weapon and the cartridge wouldnt go off.

therewolf · 10-08-2012, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by targetacqmgt

Ja but the primer did NOT fire

It's a PRIMER, not an ATOM BOMB.

It's got about the same potential as

a cap, from a cap gun. Relax.

Use gloves, and eye protection, if it'll make you feel better.

cpttango30 · 10-08-2012, 11:47 AM

You could get a collet bullet puller and do it that way as well that would be a little more safe than prying on it with pliers in your hand.

aa1911 · 10-08-2012, 02:34 PM

just put your eyepro on and use the kinetic puller to retrieve the bullet and throw it in the decapper of choice and knock the primer out. If you're really worried about it going off, wear gloves and do it away from anything flammable; worst case it does go off, it ain't gonna hurt you. But I've never had one go off and I've banged on live ones (both hit and untouched) and nary a one has ever gone off. (watch, next one I do will explode on me... JINX!)

I would toss the powder, don't even try to guess what it is.

If the primer pocket is crimped, it will take some extra oomph to get the primer out but like said, just take it easy and tap it out.

targetacqmgt · 10-09-2012, 12:10 PM

Thanks fellas. I used to throw my missfired or jammed 40mm over the side into the river. Can't do that now know better- I can not imagine how many Viet kid fishers have dredged ammo with a net that has gone off once they got it up and in the boat. JLA very good die data!!

soundguy · 10-09-2012, 12:53 PM

ditto what's been said.. except... on ammo that don't go off when i pull the trigger.. I leave the bbl pointed down range for a good minute.. then I setup to give it another hit on the firing pin only rarely have i had a real dud round i have once in a blue moon had a round that needed 2 strikes.

on the duds.. kinetic puller and reclaim what i can...

10-07-2012, 12:44 PM	#1
targetacqmgt Registered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 494	Disposal of "misfired" rounds Ok shot some 30-06 mil surplus. Primary hit-no boom. Now what? Any ideas on what to SAFELY do wiht the rounds??? -->

10-07-2012, 12:50 PM	#2
Country101 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dardanelle, AR Contributor Posts: 2,029	Re: Disposal of "misfired" rounds you can take a pair of pliers and pull the bullets. Keep them pointed in a safe direction(both ends) and there shouldnt be much risk. Without a barrel to contain the pressure, if they go off they wont do much, but better safe than sorry. They might still be able to put out an eye. __________________ Gainfully employed= shooting somebody elses bullets and getting paid for it Country101 Last edited by Country101; 10-07-2012 at 12:52 PM..

10-07-2012, 12:56 PM	#4
BlackEagle Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: UK Posts: 3,172	Re: Disposal of "misfired" rounds Do you have a bullet puller of some sort? If you reload, you can disassemble the cartridge and reuse the components. If you don't reload, use a pair of pliers to pull the bullet out of the case; put the powder out in your yard--it's rich in nitrates and can make good fertiliser.

10-07-2012, 12:57 PM	#5
tcox4freedom Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: South Carolina USA Posts: 944	Re: Disposal of "misfired" rounds http://www.midwayusa.com/product/667...-bullet-puller

10-07-2012, 01:04 PM	#6
Country101 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dardanelle, AR Contributor Posts: 2,029	Re: Disposal of "misfired" rounds I didnt know if a kenetic puller would be as safe, is why I suggested the pliers. I havent used one though. __________________ Gainfully employed= shooting somebody elses bullets and getting paid for it Country101

10-07-2012, 02:10 PM	#10
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,319	Re: Disposal of "misfired" rounds ditch the pliers.. get a kinetic hammer and dismantle them. reload the brass with a good primer and reassemble the load and shoot it. __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

10-07-2012, 02:46 PM	#12
targetacqmgt Registered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 494	Re: Disposal of "misfired" rounds Oh I have everything for 7.62X39 except the press. I will need to get a set for 30-06. What is a good press that will accept ANY mfg dies? Or are the dies specific to the press??

10-07-2012, 02:53 PM	#14
Country101 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Dardanelle, AR Contributor Posts: 2,029	Re: Disposal of "misfired" rounds You can deprime live primers. Take it slow. That has come up before. I think I remember 2 instances where they had them go off. Nothing major, if I remember correctly. __________________ Gainfully employed= shooting somebody elses bullets and getting paid for it Country101

10-07-2012, 03:31 PM	#15
BlackEagle Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: UK Posts: 3,172	Re: Disposal of "misfired" rounds I have deprimed live primers. As said, take it slow. Even if it goes off, it will probably try to blow it out of the primer pocket. Two things to watch out for if you are using mil spec ammo. 1. Check down inside the case to see if there are two or one holes in the primer pocket. Some mil spec brass is "Berden primed" (two holes) which is a problem for depriming, and you need Berdden primers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hth3Xwoqe9M shows a good summary. 2. Mil spec primer pockets are usually crimped. The crimp needs to be removed before you try to prime the brass. Midway has a number of tools that will remove the crimp. Or you can use a countersink on a drill... http://www.thefirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?t=114039 has some good points. You can use most dies in most presses; I think Dillon needs to use its own dies, but I may be wrong on that. There are plenty of Dillon users here. I have RCBS and I could use most makes of die on it.

10-07-2012, 07:19 PM	#17
JLA TFF Moderator/Host Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Heart Of Texas Contributor Posts: 17,319	Re: Disposal of "misfired" rounds Most all presses are threaded for 7/8X14 dies which is an industry standard now. The big presses (Le classic cast and RCBS Rockchucker) use bigger dies but come with a bushing for adapting to 7/8X14 __________________ It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze. The latest caliber or gear is no substitute for experience and skill. Rifles and cartridges don't make hits -- shooters do. Fact of life: After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!

10-08-2012, 07:33 AM	#18
gun-nut Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: ohio Contributor Posts: 931	Re: Disposal of "misfired" rounds Just be carefull of some misfires as i have had a few that got real hot after i unloaded the gun. so i took the bullet first into the ground and pushed it in the ground and got away. just a few mins. latter that darn thing went off. So just a fare warning. I now take a bucket of water with me so if they do that i drop them in the water and its been a safer thing. I have had most of them be the old 303 brit ammo that have done this. __________________ Don't retreat just reload.

10-08-2012, 11:08 AM	#20
gun runner Former Guest Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: South Texas Contributor Posts: 1,871	Re: Disposal of "misfired" rounds Whatever you do just be careful. I always wondered what to do with them. I always thought about throwing misfired ammo out the window when going down the road. I dont want to have anything to do with ammo that I had in my weapon and the cartridge wouldnt go off.

10-08-2012, 11:47 AM	#22
cpttango30 Former Guest Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Stafford, VA Contributor Posts: 3,071	Re: Disposal of "misfired" rounds You could get a collet bullet puller and do it that way as well that would be a little more safe than prying on it with pliers in your hand.

10-08-2012, 02:34 PM	#23
aa1911 Advanced Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 3,115	Re: Disposal of "misfired" rounds just put your eyepro on and use the kinetic puller to retrieve the bullet and throw it in the decapper of choice and knock the primer out. If you're really worried about it going off, wear gloves and do it away from anything flammable; worst case it does go off, it ain't gonna hurt you. But I've never had one go off and I've banged on live ones (both hit and untouched) and nary a one has ever gone off. (watch, next one I do will explode on me... JINX!) I would toss the powder, don't even try to guess what it is. If the primer pocket is crimped, it will take some extra oomph to get the primer out but like said, just take it easy and tap it out. __________________ "Loud noises don't end gunfights.... well placed shots do."

10-09-2012, 12:10 PM	#24
targetacqmgt Registered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 494	Re: Disposal of "misfired" rounds Thanks fellas. I used to throw my missfired or jammed 40mm over the side into the river. Can't do that now know better- I can not imagine how many Viet kid fishers have dredged ammo with a net that has gone off once they got it up and in the boat. JLA very good die data!!

10-09-2012, 12:53 PM	#25
soundguy Advanced Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: florida Contributor Posts: 4,463	Re: Disposal of "misfired" rounds ditto what's been said.. except... on ammo that don't go off when i pull the trigger.. I leave the bbl pointed down range for a good minute.. then I setup to give it another hit on the firing pin only rarely have i had a real dud round i have once in a blue moon had a round that needed 2 strikes. on the duds.. kinetic puller and reclaim what i can...