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I OC very often as it's completely legal in my state. My first recommendation would be if you're new to OC and are not quite sure of it find someone that OC's regularly near you and set up a time/place where you two can OC together. If you’re new and not sure and you're approached by LEO's, you'll freeze so to speak and won't know what to do or not to do.
I've accompanied several folks new to OC and even been harassed by LEO's with them at my side, and when the encounter was over with and we went on our merry way they told me they couldn't have done that. To which my reply was if you can't stand up for the rights you have been granted by God and know the laws, you're not ready to OC by yourself. I know all too well the repercussions of ignorant LEO's and public alike. I've spent several thousand of my own dollars over many years fighting false charges only to be completely exonerated EVERY single time, though some of that money has came back to me . Now most if not all LEO's anywhere near where I live know the laws. |
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Failing to exercise your rights will cause you to lose them. If it is legal in your state, you need to do it at least on occasion. I dont give a flying flip what any cop says or thinks nor do I care what the general public thinks. I will exercise my rights to the fullest no matter how uncomfortable it make them. If your afraid of the big bad wolf grabbing your gun, I suggest you dont carry one. Even if you carry one concealed, you will probably be to scared to use it anyhow. For the rest of you, get out there and enjoy your freedoms!
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As you may be aware, uniformed law enforcement officers have been shot with their own handguns. Why not give yourself the added advantage of pulling your gun from a concealed holster? On the other hand, if the point of OC is to be in the face of folks who don't like guns then I suppose self defense is not the issue. |
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I cc not open but at times when getting gas at say the wrong location ,ive let my shirt ride up so handle is exposed,have a peashooter still hidden on weak side.
In TN permit covers both open and concealed. Their is a guy I think in texas that is targeting open carriers as strapped generally,pays to have another less exposed. Just my thoughts you wish to open carry your business if legal,but a smaller hideout would be wise,again legally not illegal. Primary in summer Pt22,Rohm 22,secondary when clothing permits with 32 acp llama or 9x18 mak. If open carry size doesnt matter much but does if you intend to hide it. Last edited by lilmule; 10-20-2012 at 06:50 PM.. |
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Unless hunting .... open carry strikes me as plain silly. Why would anyone choose to be a target.
Concealed carry just seems to be much more sensible ........ but ........ as Ron White says..."Ya can't fix stupid". |
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In Indiana we can do both and I do both.And I have to say Ive never been bothered by anyone when I open carry ive never had anyone say anything.Like someone said earlier if you go about your business and act normal you will have know problem.When you carry and firearm you have a great responsibility.My holster has a strap on it that secures the gun in the holster.Now thats not to say someone couldnt come up behind you and unsnap it but thats where your situational awareness comes in.Your responsible to keep your gun secure.When I had my wreck I told the sherriff I was carrying a firearm and I had a permit he said thanks for telling me and went about his business he didnt even ask me to see it.
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One more thing. You can argue your case all you want but someday it just might be that OC individual that saves your life. The reason I don't OC is I don't like the attention. I want to control where I am at but I totally applause the OC people. I would assume most would not OC because they fear to. Last edited by 76Highboy; 10-21-2012 at 09:11 AM.. |
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i mostly CC, but have OC'ed on occasion. both have advantages and disadvantages; OC is good vs. petty criminals because it has the same effect as a cop, but CC is better against someone who's planning to go Rambo, since he's planning to get killed anyway, so you'll just be the first target since you're armed if you're OC'ing, but if you're CC'ing the chances are lesser that you will be the first target.
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It's amazing the amount of people that don't even notice my pistol on my hip. I don't walk around paranoid looking, I look like anyone else walking around in public. If you'r minding your buisness and not touching the gun, not really many people even notice. Remember most people are "sheeple", they're just going about their lives, not paying attention to anything in front of them.
I wear a very good quality leather pancake holster with a retention strap on it when I OC. The thought of someone sneaking up on me and disarming me, then shooting me with my own pistol is obsurd. I would hope the majority of people that carry guns in public, wether concieled or openly, have a bit more awareness that the average joe. |
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Bring a friend with a video camera or a cell phone that takes quality videos. If you have issues, don't let the LEO see your friend filming, they may confistecate the evidence.
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It's a pain in the but to CC sometimes. OC is just the natural way to carry! And I prefer to OC rather than CC. For those of you that don't like OC, you really need to have a serious talk with someone who has OC a good bit. We are not cops, we won't be putting ourselves in the same situations that cops do. No confortations with anyone. Just like when you are CC, keep your head up, and your eyes, and mind open. Don't be screwing around texting, or even talking on the phone. And like DD said, most of you are just scared! And that makes me wonder if you could use that concealed pistol on your hip! If you are worried about what others might think of the fact that you carry a gun, then you probably shouldn't be carring one! At this time I can not OC in my home state, it's not legal, but if it was ........!
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Uhh, yea, thats right, cant fix stupid....
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I carry with OWB belt or paddle holsters. In the summer months it would be open as I have no intentions of trying to tuck it in and hide it under my T-shirt.
The colder it gets the more it becomes CC when I am outside dressed for the weather. Inside it will always be Open. I am much more comfortable when my carry gun is not tucked away and buried under a heavy layer of winter cloths. It is a PIA to get to quickly. Yes, I practice this, my wife thinks I'm nuts. |
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Someone asked about proof or stats regarding police shot w/their own guns. This is one site that poped up:
http://www.policeone.com/close-quart...-R-I-Policies/ "There are no national statistics on how many times officers' guns are taken away. But the FBI says that of the 616 law enforcement officers killed on duty by criminals from 1994 through 2003, 52 were killed with their own weapon, amounting to 8 percent. "What's remarkable is that it doesn't happen more often," said Jim Pasco, executive director of the national Fraternal Order of Police, the nation's largest union for law enforcement officers." In my own experience, I once had to go on a manhunt for a prisoner who grabbed a uniformed officer's pistol and escaped custody with it. No one got hurt, and the idiot was soon recaptured, but it could have been alot worse. I always made it a point to keep my service revolver under my suit jacket and I made sure no one knew I was armed until I had to draw. This is how I arm myself to this day. It's a free country and I want folks to have the option to use OC, but I consider it much more wise to have the eliment of suprise. And, it's more polite. It's interesting that folks here imply that concealed carry is "Liberal" I find it remarkable that the left has move into at least a "concealed acceptance" of the 2nd Amendment! a position for which they should be congratulated. |
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I get in the pickup here in Idaho and drop the .38 on the dashboard - never had a problem. LE around here though is the County Sheriffs dept. and they simply accept the guns on the dash as perfectly normal. Don't see many state troopers in this area of the state but, I doubt they'd have a problem with it either.
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It's your choice on how you carry here. Because of the way I dress it's mostly OC. Do I worry about being polite or not? Hell no.
I stopped at the local market the other to pick up a few items. Pulled in the lot and parked my truck. By the time I had gotten out, an older gent had come struttin over. He saw the Marine Corp magnet and wanted to talk service dates and such. I told him the USMC magnet is in honor of my SIL and the Navy, Air Force and Army were mine and my kids. We had talked for an easy 5 minutes when he happened to look down and said "Oh... a gun". I replied "Yes sir and it hasn't hurt a thing the 5 minutes we've been talking." He assured me that he wasn't bothered by it just not used to seeing people wearing them. People want to get freaked out and go off screaming in the night....... so be it. It's my right and I'll excercise it. I have to stop at Cabelas in Mi tonight so I guess I'll have to put a shirt on over it.
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I'm guilty of it frequently, but I don't like the idea of a loaded handgun flying around my truck if I happen to wreck. I would hate to survive a crash only to have the gun somehow go off in that one in a million shot.
45Auto, take some time and do some reading on opencarry.org, especially about your state; there's lots of folks who OC every day and are not getting their weapons taken away. Probably the best source for the most up to date and well researched information. I've mixed opinions on whether OC would invite or deter more trouble overall, but either way, as long as you are situationally aware and responsible, you won't have any problems. I do like the element of surprise, but I like to exercise my right even more. And I don't understand how OCing is inpolite? Seems like when I OC, people are extra polite!
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Experience has shown me that by far and by large most petty criminals are cowards and with that said I suggest that if the individual sees you're carrying a weapon, odds are they'll go away and leave you be - which as opposed to an actual confrontation with the goof is what I personally prefer. That the individual would try to grab your weapon, I grant you that could happen but I suggest the odds of that happening are far less remote than even those of an individual intending to bother you when it's obvious you're engaged in OC. Consider for a moment, with close to two centuries of armed police in this nation, how many policemen have been attacked for the weapon they're carrying? I'm not saying this has never happened but what I am saying is that based on actual historical fact, the probability of that happening is very, very, very low. Wtihout question concealed carrying (CC) does have it's benefits but in this day and age, I've opted for OC. For me OC is reasonable and quite practical. tyc Last edited by tyc; 10-24-2012 at 04:12 PM.. |
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i just talked to a retired (40 yr cop) about open carry) told me to carry his court findings and also a memo that was sent to police chief and all in the under him so if there is a confrontation give cops copy of letter now all i have to do it get a holster. Do most of u carry a holster that has a snap or locks?
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